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Terry Collins not ruling out using R.A. Dickey on short rest to help his Cy Young bid

Aug 9, 2012, 8:35 PM EDT

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The Mets have floated the possibility of using R.A. Dickey on short rest at various times this season, but that talk has died down in recent weeks as the team has faded in the standings. However, Mets manager Terry Collins raised the possibility again this afternoon after Dickey finished off a complete game 6-1 victory over the Marlins.

Dickey is now tied with Angels right-hander Jered Weaver for the major-league lead with 15 wins while the knuckleballer ranks fourth in the National League in ERA (2.72) and first in strikeouts (166), WHIP (1.00) and complete games (three). The Mets haven’t had a Cy Young Award winner since Dwight Gooden in 1985 or a 20-game winner since Frank Viola in 1990, so Collins told Anthony DiComo of MLB.com that he would consider using Dickey more often in September in order to boost his chances.

“Will I? I certainly might, yes,” Collins said. “He certainly deserves that shot. I thought Jose Reyes deserved to win the batting title last year, too. I got criticized for that, and I may get criticized for this.”

Reyes, of course, exited the final game of the regular season last year after reaching on a bunt single in the first inning. It wasn’t without controversy, as Reyes was booed as he left the field and Collins was brought to tears in his post-game press conference, but the speedy shortstop ended up beating out Milwaukee’s Ryan Braun to become the first player in Mets history to win the National League batting title.

Dickey predictably said all the right things when asked about the possibility, noting that he doesn’t want the individual to overshadow over the team.

“I would not want to be on three days’ rest purely to win more games,” Dickey said. “If we can claw back in this thing and they think that I give our team the best chance to win, or a good chance to win, then I’m willing to do that. And I’ve voiced that. But we’ll see where it goes.”

If Dickey stays on his current schedule and pitches every fifth game, he currently projects to make 10 more starts this season.

  1. kkolchak - Aug 9, 2012 at 8:58 PM

    Are you kidding me? Risking injury to their ace pitcher in September just to win some stupid individual award? If the Mets were still legitimately in the playoff picture I could maybe see it, but otherwise this is just plain dumb. This is the same kind of “thinking” that allowed Johan Santana to throw 134 pitches in his no hit bid coming off of a major injury.

    • chill1184 - Aug 9, 2012 at 10:07 PM

      FYI other managers agreed that Collins did the right thing in regards to Santana’s no hitter.

      • keithbangedyermom - Aug 9, 2012 at 10:32 PM

        Yeah…..safe to say the Mets (and Johan) wanted that no-hitter. Thanks, but we’ll take the fleeting glory amidst the sea of garbage we’ve sailed on the last six years.

      • kkolchak - Aug 10, 2012 at 6:54 AM

        Then I wouldn’t want them managing my team either.

    • CJ - Aug 10, 2012 at 12:44 AM

      I will laugh very hard if Collins does this and Dickey needs TJS by the end of the year. Not to wish ill will on Dickey, he’s awesome and I have mad respect for the guy. Just cuz it’s the Mets, and I can totally see that happening with the way their season has gone.

      • tsi431 - Aug 10, 2012 at 1:26 AM

        Impossible. Dickey does not have a UCL to tear. Its the whole reason he is a knuckleballer. How do you not know his story? Everyone knows it.

      • CJ - Aug 10, 2012 at 8:07 AM

        you get the point. Not having a UCL doesn’t exempt him from severe injury due to overuse.

      • CJ - Aug 10, 2012 at 8:08 AM

        besides, with the Mets rotten luck this year, he could tear a UCL they didn’t even know he had.

  2. number42is1 - Aug 9, 2012 at 9:08 PM

    10 more starts = 5-7 wins if things click the right way. maybe he lowers his ERA to 250ish. but will those numbers be enough for him to win the Cy young?

  3. fat4jc - Aug 9, 2012 at 9:38 PM

    why? vogelsong has it locked up for the NL.

    • chill1184 - Aug 9, 2012 at 10:09 PM

      Gio Gonzalez and Stephen Strasburg would like to have a word with you.

      • keithbangedyermom - Aug 9, 2012 at 10:34 PM

        It’s a wide-open Cy race in the NL. Cain, Gio, Stras, Dickey, Kimbrel, Chapman and Cueto just to name some of the contenders.

      • natslady - Aug 9, 2012 at 11:13 PM

        Not to mention Jordan Zimmermann. Yes, we need to mention him. Great job tonight. Could have gone longer but Davey is keeping him as rested as possible for September.

      • kkolchak - Aug 10, 2012 at 6:57 AM

        I’m a Nats fan, and right now I think Jordan Zimmermann is the the best candidate on the Nats.

        That said, I’ll concede that Dickey has had an awesome year and if he gets the award it won’t bother me, especially given where the two teams are in the standings.

  4. minimoose763 - Aug 9, 2012 at 9:44 PM

    I really hope a pitcher’s W/L record starts to become irrelevant in future Cy Young discussions. It’s such a flawed way to evaluate how talented a pitcher is. Obviously 20-game winners are impressive, but other factors, such as how the offense behind the pitcher plays, influence W/L records, not just how well that guy has pitched.

    • brewcrewfan54 - Aug 9, 2012 at 9:57 PM

      The fact that Felix Hernandez and Zach Greinke won Cy Youngs with relatively bad W/L records shows that that stat is not as highly regarded in Cy voting as it once was.

      • minimoose763 - Aug 9, 2012 at 10:44 PM

        Still, it seems like the major reason Collins is considering this is so that Dickey can reach 20 wins.

      • tsi431 - Aug 10, 2012 at 1:28 AM

        20 wins is still a milestone, especially for elite pitchers. Same as hitting 40 home runs or 100 rbi’s, 200 hits, .300 avg.

      • dohpey28 - Aug 10, 2012 at 10:35 AM

        If all other stats are relatively equal and one guy has 4 or 5 more wins then the other, that makes it a very relevant stat.

  5. xmatt0926x - Aug 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM

    If he has 10 more starts left anyway on normal rest than that should be plenty to decide it one way or the other. Is 23 wins going to look that much better than 20 or 21, especially in today’s climate where the other pitching stats are valued more than just wins or losses? Just do your best and see what happens. What Reyes did last year was weak and starting extra games on short rest just to get better personal numbers would be weak. I bet Dickey would feel the same way and he’s likely sincere when he says he doesn’t want to go on short rest just for his own personal gain.

  6. dyk88 - Aug 10, 2012 at 12:11 AM

    Idiot. Don’t blow his arm out to try to win him an individual award!

  7. Walk - Aug 10, 2012 at 12:51 AM

    At first glance i think it is a bad idea to pitch him on short rest just for individual awards. But then if the season is over for them what else is there for them and their fans but individual awards? Baseball is a team sport but it is one that has a large ammount of individual awards. Knowing that the reigning cy young winner is a met, should that come to be, has off the field implications that could help the mets in the future. So why not let him make an extra start here or there to lower his peripherals and gain him some more attention in the media. Whether or not he does start on short rest his manager just got him extra attention while at same time making sure he got mentioned in a conversation about cy young award implications. Well done.

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