Comments on: Over the long haul, Barry Bonds’ Hall of Fame prospects aren’t that bad

By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged

churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged — Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:08:39 +0000

homeruns like crazy he hit 50 something then 60 something then 73 then 60 something balco case came

Point of fact, Barry Bonds never hit between 50-59 HR in a single season of his career, nor did he hit between 60-69 either. His career high outside his 73 HR season was 49. You know you can look this stuff up, right?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bondsba01.shtml

By: seeingwhatsticks

seeingwhatsticks — Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:09:20 +0000

Yeah, makes you think that guys in their 40′s playing on one leg might not be all that great.

By: diablito0402

diablito0402 — Sat, 11 Aug 2012 06:58:49 +0000

All i know bonds was hitting homeruns like crazy he hit 50 something then 60 something then 73 then 60 something balco case came up so he had to clean up then he hit 22 homeruns then the following season hit like 24 or something, hmmmmm makes you think huh..

By: drew44

drew44 — Sat, 11 Aug 2012 03:32:39 +0000

No Bonds, no Clements, no A Roid. They ought to then yank out Cal Ripkin ( 2000 plus games with no injuries, right) , Nolan Ryan throwing in the high 90′s in his late 40′s… Right. Bonds was just the best with the best stuff. The writers just don’t like Bonds because he was a jerk.

By: seeingwhatsticks

seeingwhatsticks — Sat, 11 Aug 2012 03:06:09 +0000

I find it disgusting that a bunch of “journalists” who refused to investigate PED’s in baseball still have the power to vote for the HOF at all, let alone the fact that they use that power to lecture the world on the ethics and moral implications of PED’s. Buster Olney is about the only one I can think of who has publicly admitted that he dropped the ball on this issue and I give him a lot of credit for that. Wish the others would do the same.

By: Detroit Michael

Detroit Michael — Sat, 11 Aug 2012 01:49:27 +0000

Barry Bonds will eventually be inducted in the Hall of Fame. I don’t know whether it’s within 15 years or 50, but eventually some group will recognize that it doesn’t make a lot of sense to ban all steroid users during a time period when there was no testing for steroid use and no suspensions ever handed hand. Eventually, with enough distance in time, 75% of a group will crack the ban. Eventually, they’ll realize that the Hall shouldn’t omit most of an entire generation of superstar players when Baseball (both management and union) didn’t want to lift a finger.

By: Kevin S.

Kevin S. — Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:13:55 +0000

No, it didn’t, unless you want to argue that half of baseball decided to start juicing all at the same time. Also, if we’re going to play that game, offense didn’t start to fall off until they started testing for amphetamines, a couple years after steroids.

By: deadeyedesign23

deadeyedesign23 — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:24:59 +0000

How was it at least as helpful. People were doing ampetamines and then the explosion of offensive numbers coincided with steroids.

By: deadeyedesign23

deadeyedesign23 — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:23:54 +0000

A ban from baseball doesn’t have to be a ban from the hall of fame. The HoF made that decision after he was banned.

By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged

churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:05:55 +0000

I honestly don’t get the Pete Rose for HoF nonsense. Can you explain it? Why does a guy who broke, then lied for 15+ years, the cardinal rule of baseball get into the HoF?

By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged

churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:03:05 +0000

Not everyone, there are some women in the HoF (at least one definitely cited in The Soul of Baseball)

By: raysfan1

raysfan1 — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:08:05 +0000

SI had an article on PEDs in 1960.

There is one known steroid user in the Hall, from the 19th century: Pud Galvin.

Tom House has talked about using steroids in the 1970s.

By: lakerslegacy2432

lakerslegacy2432 — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:05:44 +0000

should be a lock to HOF as well as pete rose

By: sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo

sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 20:52:13 +0000

We don’t know what Babe was taking in his training regimen. He probably didn’t know what he was taking, and the times were quire a bit different when it came to additives. Take for example this quote from snopes:

“Coca-Cola didn’t become completely cocaine free until 1929…”

When comparing stats across across generations, we are not comparing apples to apples here folks.

By: atworkident

atworkident — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 20:48:09 +0000

Rose should go in as a bookie

By: ezthinking

ezthinking — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 20:28:00 +0000

It’s 5% to stay on.

By: ezthinking

ezthinking — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 20:27:16 +0000

Try to accurately list all the juicers and non-juicers. You do realize the SI articles on athletes using steroids goes back to the early ’50′s don’t you? 1968 Olympic was the steroid olympics. Christ they started gender testing it was so bad. And not one ball player took steroids and made it to the Hall in the past. Amazing.

By: sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo

sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 20:27:06 +0000

Rose has zero chance of getting in…

While Bud is commissioner….

By: stercuilus65

stercuilus65 — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 20:26:23 +0000

Dream on Craig, he’s not going to get in although I’m you will keep campaigning for him.

By: sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo

sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 20:26:10 +0000

But Pete isn’t trying to play baseball…

By: ezthinking

ezthinking — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 20:22:36 +0000

Pretty sure everyone in the hall has/had a dick.

By: kalinedrive

kalinedrive — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 19:54:28 +0000

I’m not sure he gets the 15% to stay on the ballot after the first year. There’s a lot of anti-Bonds stuff that may keep people from voting for him the first year, thinking he should at least be made to wait, and if enough people leave him off, thinking they’ll vote for him after he’s served his probation or done his penance or whatever, he could be a one-and-done guy. But I guess the McGwire example is as good a predictor as we have.

By: koufaxmitzvah

koufaxmitzvah — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 19:49:20 +0000

As soon as they lift the ban on Shoeless Joe, they’ll lift the ban on Pete.

By: ebrownwareagle

ebrownwareagle — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 19:41:24 +0000

Greatest Baseball Player in this generation if not ever. First Ballot HAll of Fame! Most MVP’s of all time, before alleged PED usage 3 MVP’s tied for most ever in the League. 6 in one hand o 1/2 dozen in the other. However you look at it Bonds was the best.

By: smokehouse56

smokehouse56 — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 19:28:00 +0000

Hey tjg, I think my brain is fully functioning. Even though my wife disputes that. Having said that, the only way Bonds and the other juicers get into the HOF is with a ticket. Babe Ruth hit 60 and this clown hits 73? Enough said.

By: SOBEIT

SOBEIT — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 19:21:33 +0000

There are a lot of dicks in the HOF…

By: tjg25

tjg25 — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 19:10:45 +0000

I’ll never visit the HoF anyway. Bonds doesn’t need to be inducted to prove his greatness to me or anyone with half a functioning brain.

By: lardin

lardin — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:56:17 +0000

Big difference between the two. Bonds has never been banned from baseball and is thus eligible to appear on a ballot and possibly voted into the Hall of fame. Rose has been banned from baseball and therefor not eligible to appear on a ballot, and the writers are not given the opportunity to vote for Rose.

Rose has zero chance of getting in… Bonds Clemens and the rest of the PED users have an outside shot…

By: minimoose763

minimoose763 — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:38:08 +0000

Disclaimer: I am a Giants fan and I personally think Bonds should be in the Hall. However, I completely understand why so many people dislike him and don’t think he should be voted in. But I do think it’s silly for the HOF to act like the Steroid Era never happened. It’s a part of baseball history, for better or for worse, and should be acknowledged (but not glorified) and discussed.

By: schrutebeetfarms

schrutebeetfarms — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:33:50 +0000

When assuming some people don’t vote for McGwire cause without PEDs he’d not have been eligible, don’t forget those who won’t vote for Bonds because he was a dick.

Shouldn’t really be a criteria but it probably is to some voters as well and should be part of the conversation while it is in the speculation stage.