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Johnny Cueto bolsters Cy Young case with eight scoreless innings

Aug 12, 2012, 5:26 PM EDT

Johnny Cueto AP

Reds right-hander Johnny Cueto didn’t make the NL All-Star team, but he might well be the league’s Cy Young Award winner this season.

Cueto threw eight innings of three-hit ball and combined with Aroldis Chapman on a shutout of the Cubs on Sunday, giving him his 15th victory of the season.

Cueto is now tied with the Mets’ R.A. Dickey for the NL lead in wins, and he’s third with a 2.45 ERA, putting him ahead of Dickey at 2.72. The two pitchers ahead of him in ERA, Ryan Vogelsong (2.27) and Jordan Zimmermann (2.35), have 10 and nine victories, respectively, leaving them with an uphill climb if they hope to figure into the Cy Young race.

Cueto doesn’t measure up with others in the dominance stats. He ranks 17th in the NL with 127 strikeouts, and his 1.16 WHIP is 12th. Still, from a performance standpoint, he matches up pretty well with anyone in the league right now. A big reason: he’s given up just eight homers.

Despite being on a pace that would put him well above his career high for innings, Cueto thus far has managed to avoid his typical second-half slump. In each of his previous four major league seasons, he had a higher ERA after the break than before. That still holds true this year, too, but he’s currently 5-1 with a 2.61 ERA in the second half after going 10-5 with a 2.39 ERA in the first.

  1. redguy12588 - Aug 12, 2012 at 5:47 PM

    He’s got one hell

    • redguy12588 - Aug 12, 2012 at 5:50 PM

      of an ERA/FIP/xFIP split. Is that typical for him?

    • whodey2038 - Aug 12, 2012 at 6:31 PM

      He’s done that in recent years since he stopped trying to throw the ball by everyone. His advanced stats don’t look great because he allows such a low hr rate he’s considered “lucky”

  2. hornbuckle - Aug 12, 2012 at 6:55 PM

    If I had a Cy Young vote he would get it.

    • pipkin42 - Aug 13, 2012 at 3:33 AM

      If I had one it’d got to Dickey.

  3. bgrdmacheen - Aug 12, 2012 at 7:37 PM

    It would be a nice big Go F yourself to larussa for the all-star snub and all the rest of the hater cardinal affiliates

    • okwhitefalcon - Aug 12, 2012 at 7:43 PM

      I’m not a fan of his motion, high leg kick is career ending.

      Jason LaRue

    • Old Gator - Aug 12, 2012 at 7:43 PM

      I’m no Cardinal fan and have nothing for or against either team, but it would be a rare example of justice in the universe if that head-kicking thug Cueto took a comebacker right between the teeth and the concussion also knocked his thug ass out of the game once and for all.

      • mrredlegz - Aug 13, 2012 at 12:54 AM

        For someone with no vested interest in either team, you sure make it a point to spew your worn out opinion of Johnny Cueto any time it seems even vaguely relevant. I’d imagine if Cueto could have gotten the four dudes who had him pinned against the wall to stop trying to punch him in the face, he would have checked to make sure that there wasn’t anyone’s head under his foot. And why was LaBlew on the ground any way? Sounds like he was as good a fighter as he was a ballplayer.

        I also seem to recall your recent lambasting of another poster wishing injury on a rival player. Seems pretty hypocritical to me. But you’re obviously not one who lets hypocrisy and indifference get in the way of making your opinions known. I think I’ve yet to read a post here that hasn’t had your two cents included in the comments. Do you get extra points for making comments? Why even click on the link if you have no interest? Is your life that empty? Take a day off, man. Seriously. No one really cares how you feel about Johnny Cueto.

    • umrguy42 - Aug 13, 2012 at 12:08 PM

      Actually, the best thing would be watching Cueto and Dusty, should the Reds make the World Series, have to deal with the fact that it’s in part thanks to LaRussa and the ASG they have home field advantage…

      • okwhitefalcon - Aug 13, 2012 at 12:46 PM

        I’m not sure the Reds would sell out a World Series game if given the opportunity.

        Hell, they didn’t sell out the Division Games in 2010 after years of ineptitude.

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    • Chip Caray's Eyebrows - Aug 12, 2012 at 9:55 PM

      Yankees, Packers and Celtics, huh? Rather than combining the names of the three teams, I’d have gone with

  5. bgrdmacheen - Aug 12, 2012 at 7:54 PM

    Jason Larue did a brilliant thing with that whole brawl. Option 1 continue to play the last year or two out of my god awful career and everyone except the fans of the teams I played on (only to make fun of me) will forget about me. Option 2. Use the brawl and an inadvertent kick to ride out in the sunset as a hero for the cause and everyone forgets how terrible I actually was. So he asked himself, well what would larussa do, and it was obvious option 2 is a no-brainer

    • okwhitefalcon - Aug 12, 2012 at 9:00 PM

      Ah, Reds fan at their finest.

      Now go to GABP and support your first place team.

      16 other teams with better attendance.

      • Chip Caray's Eyebrows - Aug 12, 2012 at 10:00 PM

        I’d say neither fan base is particularly well-represented in this exchange.

      • okwhitefalcon - Aug 12, 2012 at 10:22 PM

        Implying the Reds…ahem.. “fan base” well representing anything other than a massive inferiority complex is just goofy.

        It’s all TLR’s fault, everything damnit.


      • farvefromover - Aug 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM

        kiss dicks, okwhitefalcon

      • amunoz78 - Aug 13, 2012 at 9:02 AM

        I love how no one ever accounts for population.

        Keeping with the comparison to St Louis, STL Metro area has around 2.8MM people, and CIN Metro area has around 2.1MM people. Meaning that if you keep the % of population that attends the games the same, CIN would average just under 40,000/game given a 2.8MM population, which would rank them 7th.

        Add in on top of that 20 years of losing (prior to the 2010 playoff appearance) to waste away a generation of a fan base and run off season-ticket holders, you’re left with what looks like no one supporting a 1st place team. I guess that’s where they get the “small market” label.

    • stex52 - Aug 13, 2012 at 9:10 AM

      Blaming the victim for the mugging. Classy.

    • stlouis1baseball - Aug 13, 2012 at 10:15 AM

      “I’d imagine if Cueto could have gotten the four dudes who had him pinned against the wall to stop trying to punch him in the face, he would have checked to make sure that there wasn’t anyone’s head under his foot.”
      Option #1 for little Joani would have been to NOT have his little ass dance around the scrum looking for someone to sucker punch. Had little Joanie NOT have done this…little Joani would NOT have gotten swallowed up in the masses and subsequently pinned against the backstop (like about 12 other guys). YOU are making excuses.
      Watch. The. Video. I have it recorded and take real pleasure in replaying it for my Redlegs loving buddies when they come by to watch the Cards/Reds games.
      It’s funny…they know longer bring it up after watching it about 10 times.
      On a side note: Jaime Garcia was on the mound when all of this broke out.
      Venture to guess what he was doing immediately afterward? I will help you.
      He was being escorted to the dugout by Adam Wainwright. That is leadership.
      Watch the video…then…Let. It. Go.

      • mrredlegz - Aug 13, 2012 at 12:26 PM

        Actually, I did watch the video pior to my post. I wanted to make sure my memory served me correctly. What I see in that video is total chaos. How anyone can point a finger at one particular player is beyond me. Molina over-reacted to an innocent gesture from Phillips, and the shit hit the fan. Now, given his comments just days prior, it probably wasn’t Phillips’ smartest move to give Molina the tap, but to think he was trying to start something with that is just assinine.

        As far as letting it go…. that was the point I was trying to make. My comments were directed at Old Gator, who jumps at the opportunity to remind everyone how he feels about Johnny Cueto and what happened to Jason LaRue…. as if anyone really gives a shit. This article is about the NL Cy Young award for 2012, which, sadly, doesn’t even mention the Cardinals.

      • mrredlegz - Aug 13, 2012 at 12:32 PM

        And by “sadly” I meant “comically.”

      • stex52 - Aug 13, 2012 at 2:26 PM

        Someone does need to be blamed. It is Cueto. He did the physical assault that did the damage. I will buy the argument that does not define his whole career (anyone can do something regrettable in a fit of anger). But there is still understandable dislike around the league, and he will continue to get that if he shows no regrets or makes no restitution.

        And the article doesn’t mention the Cardinals but it does mention Cueto. To date that is still a pretty large part of the story on him.

      • mrredlegz - Aug 13, 2012 at 5:08 PM

        Blamed for what? If you don’t want to get injured in a fight, don’t get into a fight. It’s really pretty simple.

        Not saying LaRue deserved what happened to him, but you can’t tell me it was intentional. It was chaos. Shit happens. Stay on the bench or accept what may come….

  6. chill1184 - Aug 12, 2012 at 8:00 PM

    NL Cy Young race is certainly an interesting one this year

  7. keithbangedyermom - Aug 12, 2012 at 8:11 PM

    Dickey’s numbers are better, but the Reds are good and the Mets stink and that is going to ding R.A. with some voters.

  8. whodeytn - Aug 12, 2012 at 9:02 PM

    I’m no Cardinal fan and have nothing for or against either team, but it would be a rare example of justice in the universe if that head-kicking thug Cueto took a comebacker right between the teeth and the concussion also knocked his thug ass out of the game once and for all.

    Thug? lol

    Nice post, Cards fan

    • Old Gator - Aug 12, 2012 at 9:09 PM

      As I noted, I’m no Cards fan – as any regular on this blog can tell you. You have a better name for that gutter-life POS who kicked a guy’s head in with his spikes?

      • metalhead65 - Aug 12, 2012 at 11:30 PM

        old gator maybe?

      • Old Gator - Aug 12, 2012 at 11:46 PM

        Clever to the point of leaden. “Bonehead” might be a better handle for you.

  9. johnnyb1976 - Aug 13, 2012 at 12:45 AM

    Gator do us all a favor and stick to your stories about the Feeesh and stop hating against a pitcher you would love the Feeesh to have.

    • metalhead65 - Aug 13, 2012 at 1:49 AM

      how about doing us a favor and not commenting at all? his feesh posts are awful.

  10. 49ersgiants4life - Aug 13, 2012 at 2:16 AM

    Vogie deserves some love he has been dominant in almost all of his starts and either the giants offense screws him or the bullpen but he should have a few more wins

  11. metalhead65 - Aug 13, 2012 at 7:30 AM

    I thought the object for the pitcher was to get guys out? but because he doesn’t get alot of strikeouts that somehow detracks from his wins?and ooh his ERA has moved up from 2.39 to 2.61 so he is having a bad second half? and you wonder why I scoff at your precious saber metrics?

  12. illegalblues - Aug 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM

    wow, red’s and cardinals fans are just like the hatfields and mccoys. you all sound like white trash, get over whatever happened a few years ago.

    • okwhitefalcon - Aug 13, 2012 at 12:59 PM

      No, not Hatfield’s and McCoy’s – not even close.

      Cards fans don’t hate the Reds, not at all – they’re like a blip on the radar screen that appears every few years so it’s more of an anomoly than an regular occurrence.

      Cracking on the lunatic fringe Red fan who actually defend the likes of Johnny Queto has become a right, it’s fun – and it will never stop.

      • illegalblues - Aug 13, 2012 at 1:32 PM

        whatever, dude. it’s lame and the people commenting in this thread are embarrassing. do what ya want though

      • okwhitefalcon - Aug 13, 2012 at 1:46 PM

        Ya, whatever dude.

        Nothing like “fans” justifying an egregious act of cowardice by diminishing the players career said act ended.

        Embarrassing indeed.

        Whatever dude, lame – totally lame….

  13. fraleyr - Aug 13, 2012 at 1:00 PM

    I’m a life long reds fan and i was disgusted when cueto threw out those kicks. poor jason larue. for sure cueto could have aimed for holliday or pujols :) GO REDLEGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  14. cincyorangenblack - Aug 13, 2012 at 2:04 PM


    you are the epitome of why most fans (especially NL Central fans) hate the cardinals. They are whiney, cry baby PROFESSIONAL atheletes that walk around with an air of superiority that would get the shit kicked out of them in 95% of the USA…and their fan base has the same attitude.

    The Brawl was unfortunate yes, the end of Jason’s career even more unfortunate…but let it go man, it was a freak occurance and both sides deserve equal blame.

    at least you have the Rams to look forward to since your baseball season is as good as over :)

    • stlouis1baseball - Aug 13, 2012 at 3:23 PM

      The only “whiney little bitching” I hear comes from Redlegs fans (and potentially the occassional Cubs fan). It’s like Reds fans need something to latch onto to keep their intensity.
      It’s to the point now that I even hear fans of other teams lamenting the fact. True enough.

    • okwhitefalcon - Aug 13, 2012 at 3:36 PM

      Typical response from the exact type of Reds fan described above, no responsibilty taken just blame laid, move forward like it never happened…


      Like it or not, Queto will always be associated with ending a career – always.

      No matter how good he is (and he really is good), no matter how many Cy Young’s he contends for/wins – he’ll be remembered first for his actions.

      Just ask Juan Marichal…

      As for me being the “epitome of why most fans (especially NL Central fans) hate the cardinals”
      I’m cool with that – we are an insufferable bunch with an acute superiority complex and self appointed “Best Fans in Baseball”. Guilty.

      Winning consistently does that, it also breeds contempt with those fanbases that don’t enjoy long term success, occassional contenders who have no idea what that feeling is like.

      As John Mozeliak said last week after unceremoniously dumping former first round draftee
      Tyler Greene:

      “Winning is not only expected here, it’s demanded.”

      I doubt those words will ever be uttered, definitely not heard by a sect of the Reds fanbase with self esteem issues that lead them more to the shrink than actual trips to the ball park to support their fine team.

  15. watchfullhose - Aug 13, 2012 at 5:02 PM

    Everyone here should just ignore the likes of okwhitefalcon. He is a Class-A douchebag who spends his days, nights, weekends and holidays commenting on stories about the Reds.

    • okwhitefalcon - Aug 13, 2012 at 5:50 PM

      Ah, you’re seriously making this too easy.

      Way, way too easy.

      Lunatic fringe fanbase reflecting character of subject of post, kicking and screaming.

      Own it, it’s the perception of Queto far beyond Cardinal fan.

      And for the record, if the Cuban Missile continues his late inning dominance – he’s quite possibly the Cy Young winner.

  16. johnnyb1976 - Aug 13, 2012 at 7:12 PM

    Whitefalcon is the leader of the whiney red bird fans and their jealousy of Johnny Cueto. If Chris Carpenter doesn’t start the fight back up after the coaches get everything calmed down, LaRue doesn’t get his skull crushed by Cueto. Keep hating whiners.

    • okwhitefalcon - Aug 13, 2012 at 7:47 PM

      Now it’s Chris Carpenter’s fault a career was ended.

      Again, you’re putting these up on a tee for me.

      Tom Cochrane said it best in both band name and song title, art reflecting life as a Queto apologist at it’s finest.

    • stlouis1baseball - Aug 14, 2012 at 10:21 AM

      “If Brandon Phillips doesn’t start the fight” by running his trap to the MEDIA the previous day (a little more than TWELVE HOURS PRIOR to gametime) and then giving Yadi the silly ass “tap” like they are homies…the fight never starts.
      There…I fixed that for you.

  17. scottwsx96 - Aug 16, 2012 at 10:40 AM

    Cardinals fans are *still* talking about that fight? Jesus people, it happened two years ago! Get over it already! I’d forgot it even happened until I read these comments.

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