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Red Sox players “blasted Bobby Valentine to owners”

Aug 14, 2012, 4:11 PM EDT

Bobby Valentine

In news that will surprise absolutely no one, Jeff Passan of Yahoo! Sports has some very juicy details about Red Sox players not loving their time with manager Bobby Valentine.

According to Passan players “blasted Valentine to owners John Henry and Larry Lucchino during a heated meeting called after a text message was sent by a group of frustrated players to the team and ownership in late July.”

Passan specifically cites Adrian Gonzalez and Dustin Pedroia as having spoken up on behalf of teammates upset over Valentine leaving Jon Lester in to allow 11 runs on July 22.

And during a meeting at a New York hotel called by ownership Passan says “some players stated flatly they no longer wanted to play for Valentine.” That was nearly three weeks ago and obviously nothing has happened since then, at least publicly. In fact, Henry gave Valentine a vote of confidence just last week, saying a change will not be made this season and scoffing at the idea that the manager was to blame for the team’s sub-.500 record.

However, at this point Valentine’s odds of returning in 2013 are very much in question. Passan details a whole bunch of other alleged incidents throughout the season that paint the clubhouse as anything but thrilled with Valentine. General manager Ben Cherington confirmed that the meeting took place, calling it “productive” and “a forum for people to express whatever frustration needed to be expressed.”

Boston is 57-59 under Valentine, who hadn’t managed in MLB since 2002 with the Mets and took the job after serving as an ESPN television analyst. And dating back to the second half of last season under Terry Francona the Red Sox are 75-87 in their last 162 games.

For a whole lot more, read Passan’s full report.

116 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. timpaz - Aug 14, 2012 at 5:07 PM

    Still don’t know what Bobby V. was thinking when he took this job, nothing but a bunch of underachieving prima donnas, and the worst fans in baseball.

    • mybrunoblog - Aug 14, 2012 at 5:14 PM

      I don’t know what you do for a living but when one of the top franchises in a business ask you to run their operation and offer you big $ to do so you don’t turn it down.
      That and Bobby V has a huge ego and was seeking a shot to show everyone how smart he still is.

      • ch0psuey - Aug 14, 2012 at 7:12 PM

        Figures a Yankees fan will post about money being more important than the integrity of baseball.

    • msgtedret - Aug 14, 2012 at 5:40 PM

      And, lets see: record of 75-87; two seasons; two managers. Of course, its all Bobby’s fault. Grow up boys.

      • redsoxfan75 - Aug 14, 2012 at 6:03 PM

        These guys are over hyped, Prima donnas !!! I don’t fault him for leaving in Lester during that 11 run massacre. Peole fail to realize , give Beckett and Lester 5 more wins each and we are pretty dead even with yanks considering all injuries. These guys are bums and under achievers, valentine is still a fairly competent baseball guy who can handle big media They flopped for Francona and don’t like someone who will get in there as@ like Valentine. Bums !!!

      • badintent - Aug 15, 2012 at 2:32 AM

        Yo Red Sox Nation, it’s all Theo’s fault, right ? Theo knew he was gonna get the axe, so he went and dropped Tons of $$ on bums like Crawford, knowing that he would leave the team with no $$$ left to got out and get good players AND good people, not the Bums Bobby V. got stuck with. Like I said last week, this team gave up last month. Quitters, losers and whiners that belong on Hard UP Knocks. Can’t wait to see the management gut this team like a snapper over the winter.

    • midjerseyfatcat - Aug 14, 2012 at 6:16 PM

      There was a total break down of discipline the year before and Boston went out a hired a manger know to be a disciplinarian though he also has reputation of not being able to get along with his players. A lot of today’s managers have a bad attitude towards players due to the great salary difference of when they played ball and what the players make now IMO. I for one believe that Boston is a team that might be better off having a “player manager” rather than having somebody like Valentine. He seems to know baseball but does he know how to get the best out of his players is the question. I don’t think he does. Seems everyplace he goes he leaves looking like his team underachieved. I think he will be fired after this season and in a year or two both the fans and players will love him again but not enough to come back.

      This team doesn’t seem to feel good about themselves right now.

      • keithbangedyermom - Aug 14, 2012 at 9:35 PM

        LOL…underachieved!! Would that be just like the 2000 Mets underachieved? Or the 1997 Mets? Hate the guy all you want – but at least do some research first. The man took a team with an outfield of Jay Payton, Timo Perez and Benny Agbayani to the World Series. He led the 97 Mets, who were bereft of talent, to 88 wins.

        Sorry BV haters, this one is 95% on the Boston players. I will admit BV has said some stupid crap to the media this year.

  2. mickeylolich1968 - Aug 14, 2012 at 5:11 PM

    What a bunch of sorry a** whiners. Well management just showed you… they sent a strong message by trading the back up catcher! And if you guys don’t get with the program they will trade the fifth outfielder next. That’ll show ya they mean buisness.

    • midjerseyfatcat - Aug 18, 2012 at 8:25 PM

      Are they going to fire the team?

  3. sabatimus - Aug 14, 2012 at 5:21 PM

    This article fails to mention one thing: just how utterly BAD Valentine was as an analyst. He was Joe Morgan bad, and would probably have been McCarver bad if ESPN had allowed him to be the first analyst instead of the 2nd (or 3rd).

    • 18thstreet - Aug 15, 2012 at 12:01 PM

      I’m sure he’s MUCH smarter behind closed doors …

      (Rolls eyes)

  4. itsmekirill - Aug 14, 2012 at 5:23 PM

    $150 million sure doesn’t go far in Boston the past few years. Valentine may not be helping, but this team was a group of overhyped underachievers in Francona’s latter years too.

  5. jakeshuman2 - Aug 14, 2012 at 5:24 PM

    Well, he made poor little johnny Lester absorb 11 runs onto his ERA. Poor Johnny. He’s been pitching like a little leaguer in the major leagues for over a month. Let him take one for the team and see what it feels like when there are consequences for poor performance. Valentine made him suffer the consequences. Then Lester went out next time and pitched a good game. If I were a major league manager, if my bullpen had been overworked because starters aren’t pitching as well as they can, then, yes, I’d leave a starter in to absorb the punishment so the bullpen could rest. The only thing the player could suffer from his bad stats and a bruised ego. Lester already has bad stats.

  6. artisan3m - Aug 14, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    If I were Valentine, I would respect the players’ desire not to play for me. Starting tomorrow, my best Triple-A personnel would comprise the Red Sox roster, I would move Double-A up to fill that hole, and send the bunch of regulars to One-A. They need to learn how major league works ~ players are paid to play, managers are paid to manage, and owners have an obligation to back the managers they hire. The main problem with Boston is no one is in charge…..not the manager or owners. Its become a rump club where the players dictate everything and that won’t work on any “team.” Its a mob, not a professional ball club. I don’t think Bobby V is God”s gift to baseball, but he (or any other manager) deserves the backing of those who hired him and if that doesn’t come immediately, both he and the Sox are through.

    • kalinedrive - Aug 14, 2012 at 5:42 PM

      You may need to learn how major league works. I don’t think they can send everyone to A-ball.

      • kalinedrive - Aug 14, 2012 at 5:57 PM

        Apparently the thumbs down show disagreement with or disapproval of my statement. So go ahead, someone explain to me how you send a veteran to A-ball. I was under the impression that there was a player’s union and contracts and stuff, but I guess not. If you’re gonna DFA everyone, I’m sure there are teams who will be happy to pick them up, and then you can gloat about how much better off the Sox are with their minor leaguers playing in Fenway.

    • badintent - Aug 15, 2012 at 2:37 AM

      A mob ? Like an Irish mob ? Like in Kennedys or Whitey Bulger ? Or in a Montreal hockey mob ? OR just another Brit Twit Sh*t mob burning London ? London is burning and I live by the river !!

    • bklynbaseball - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:14 AM

      You can’t send veteran players down to the minors. Per CBA – players when they first make the 25 man roster have a certain number of “options” – meaning they can be optioned down to the minors. After their options are used, a team would have to release the player if they want to get rid of him – making the player a free agent. And since the contracts are guaranteed, the team releasing the player still has to pay the balance of the contract, I believe. So it would be a financial disaster to do as you’ve suggested.

      • bklynbaseball - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:19 AM

        Well, the player can be designated for assignment…..meaning they have x number of days to report to the minor league club, otherwise they are released….

      • kalinedrive - Aug 15, 2012 at 12:31 PM

        Do not attempt to use logic or reason. It will get you nowhere when a mob wants to teach the bums a lesson.

  7. jakeshuman2 - Aug 14, 2012 at 5:44 PM

    You can’t blame Bobby Valentine for Josh Beckett & John Lester for having fewer wins than Lucas Harrell and Jordan Lyles.

  8. mickeylolich1968 - Aug 14, 2012 at 5:51 PM

    Sox fan since 1978 and i can’t decide which i dislike more… this management, or this team.
    At least the celtic’s manegement tries to get it right. At least the celtic’s players fight until their bodies give out.
    At least the Patriots run their buisness like “football is important”. These red sox are a bunch of spoiled, entitled, unloveable losers who never tire of reminding us of just how incredibly difficult their lives are. Yeech!

    • redsoxfan75 - Aug 14, 2012 at 6:07 PM

      Preach on brother !!!

    • florida727 - Aug 14, 2012 at 6:10 PM

      With all due respect, I think you just defined 98% of the professional sports franchises in America. Don’t they ALL remind us of how difficult their lives are? Remember Allen Iverson bemoaning the NBA lockout because he needed the money to store all of his cars? Face it, money by and large has ruined professional sports. I remember back when professional football players had to have off-season jobs just to make ends meet. Of course back then you didn’t have to take out a second mortgage to afford game tickets with “seat licenses”. Try taking your family of four to a baseball game for less than $100, unless you don’t mind nose bleeds.

      • mickeylolich1968 - Aug 14, 2012 at 6:45 PM

        Right you are. When detroit erupted with the riots in 1967 Gates Brown and Willie Horton went down to 12th street, in uniform, thinking they could help.
        What would today’s sox do in a civil crisis? Probably turn on the security system and open a beer… or bottle of vintage champagne.

  9. stew48 - Aug 14, 2012 at 5:53 PM

    So, he is no Joe McCarthy. This “mutiny” baloney started prior to the season. Guess by who? That’s right, the media, big time.

  10. thehawg - Aug 14, 2012 at 5:56 PM

    I would be upset also with any manager that banned beer in the club house after a game.

  11. blackstonevalleykettlebells - Aug 14, 2012 at 5:59 PM

    Someone should tell Dustin Pedroia to shut up when you’re hitting .278 and having an injury prone below average year to shut up. Poor Jon Lester, he’s being embarassed. No, he’ embarassing himself. You’re a professional, do something about it. Lester, thankfully pitched well in his last start. The ownership needs to stop engaging these guys.

  12. bubba703 - Aug 14, 2012 at 6:03 PM

    So the Red Sox get rid of a player friendly manager like Francona because he was losing, and replaced him with a more fiery, make the players work type of manager like Valentine, and it still does not work, plus the players now whine. To the Red Sox ownership: Did it ever occur to you it might not be the manager that’s at fault here?. It might be a major shocker, but don’t you think it could be the underachieving players to whom you’re paying a fortune?

  13. talkin2u924 - Aug 14, 2012 at 6:17 PM

    2 items: A. Bad Idea to bad mouth the boss. Its a great way to get traded or fired. B. The team is not performing. It’s not the manager on the field catching, throwing and hitting. It’s the players. So before blasting the manager I would be looking at myself to see what I am not doing that’s got the team on a losing track.

  14. theboysofdallas - Aug 14, 2012 at 6:29 PM

    Does anyone like this guy?

  15. rcali - Aug 14, 2012 at 6:30 PM

    Wow, the players are going to run out of people to manage the team. What is this, the NBA?

  16. Panda Claus - Aug 14, 2012 at 6:33 PM

    Some day Cherington’s going to have to at least share in the responsibility for this mess.

  17. coloradostupid - Aug 14, 2012 at 7:34 PM

    We were at that game on 7/22 – nice seats on the left field line, between 3rd and the monstah. The very 1st pitch of the game went right over the monstah, right in front of our eyes. It didn’t get any better for Lester, and yes, we wondered why Valentine didn’t pull Lester MUCH sooner.

    • 18thstreet - Aug 15, 2012 at 12:08 PM

      Yes, he’s a terrible manager. The players are right to hate him and disrespect him.

  18. buffalomafia - Aug 14, 2012 at 7:35 PM

    Tito’s coming back!

  19. keithbangedyermom - Aug 14, 2012 at 7:36 PM

    The players on this team are the biggest joke in baseball.

  20. j0esixpack - Aug 14, 2012 at 8:09 PM

    This is all more or less according to plan for the Sox.

    They never had the firepower this season and needed to experience life under a tough manager before they could again appreciate a player’s manager like Francona.

    Signing Bobby V to only a 2 year contract was tantamount to admitting he was here for one year only and the players knew this – but maybe they won’t grow so lazy and complacent with the next Player’s manager who the Sox sign.

  21. teambringitstrong - Aug 14, 2012 at 8:20 PM

    I said to myself when this hire was announced that it would get bad and it would get bad in a hurry. Last summer when BV was a color analyst for ESPN, I caught his act during a Giants game on Sunday Night Baseball. He spent the entire broadcast blasting the Dodgers and their fans and making flat out erroneous comments. This because he didn’t get a look for the Dodger job that went to Mattingly.
    I was done with him after that.
    So this news here is not suprising in the least. Other than shark nosed John Lackey and the former Curt Schilling I like the BoSox organization.

    • 18thstreet - Aug 15, 2012 at 12:10 PM

      I’m sure he’s MUCH smarter behind closed doors than he was on ESPN in front of a microphone.

      Rolls eyes.

  22. bosoxsux - Aug 14, 2012 at 8:53 PM

    Stupid BoSox players. Sorry bunch of losers. Forget the team meeting. They need therapy. Bobby Valentine didn’t lose 59 games. Bobby Valentine isn’t the one facing opposing pitching. Bobby Valentine isn’t a member of an inept bull pen or starting rotation. This is the same team that started coming apart under Tito who managed them to two World Series championships. Pedroia is a spoiled a**hole. Big Papi is overrated. Crawford is an over-priced has been. Gonzalez is a mamao. Beckett’s done. Crawford’s washed up. Aceves is a head case. The only two members of that team deserving of respect are Ellsbury and Siriaco. I know. I live in CT with access to both the YES and NESN networks and get a chance to see these BoSox chuckleheads lose almost every night. Valentine leaves tomorrow and the BoSox are guaranteed to continue their downward slide (which started last year by the way) to the AL East cellar–a spot once coveted by the O’s and Jays. Right now Boston at O’s. Top of 6th. Boston behind 2/1. Fly out to end inning stranding BoSox runners at 1st/3rd. Bobby Valentine nowhere on base and nowhere in batters box. Go figure…

  23. bosoxsux - Aug 14, 2012 at 9:07 PM

    BoSox at O’s. Bottom of 6th. One out. O’s leading 2-1. Runners on 1st/2d. Beckett wild pitch advances runners to 2d/3d base. Beckett misses a high-bounce comebacker resulting in scored run. Runners on 1st/2d base. Next batter hit up middle scoring 4th run. Runners now on 1st/2d. Beckett pulled. Reynolds takes first pitch from reliever Melancon over the wall for 3-run HR! Score: O’s 7, BoSox 1. AND ITS ALL VALENTINE’s FAULT! Yeah right.

  24. lgwelsh1 - Aug 14, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    This is not Bobby V’s fault, not even close. The team clearly if you can even call it that is plagued with a bunch of whiners and complainers. The upper management needs to get rid of all these aging so called ” Super Stars ” and start over. It happens with EVERY team at some point. Finish out the year and go young in 2013.

  25. bosoxsux - Aug 14, 2012 at 9:36 PM

    Top of 7th. O’s leading BoSox 7-1. 2 outs. Bases loaded with Sox. Full count. Strike out. Runners stranded. End of threat. End of inning. AND ITS ALL VALENTINE’s FAULT!

    • badintent - Aug 15, 2012 at 2:42 AM

      Thanks for the play by play !! Your check is in the mail.IF you don’t get it , It’s all Bobby V ‘s fault. LOL

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