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Ryan Dempster has not been too spiffy of an acquisition so far

Aug 14, 2012, 8:52 AM EDT

Ryan Dempster

I think Texas will be fine. Their offense is good, the Angels are sliding and I’m still not sold on the A’s as strong contenders. But it’s hard not to notice how poorly their big trade deadline acquisition is working out so far.

Ryan Dempster got lit up again last night, with the Yankees tagging him for eight runs on nine hits in six innings. In his three starts since the trade, he’s allowed 19 runs on 24 hits in seventeen and a third innings. Three of those were unearned runs, but they did come on a three-run homer he served up.

Whether this is merely a bump in the road or, rather, an acute case of Can’t-Hack-The-American-League-itis, this was not what the Rangers had in mind when they gave up a couple of nice prospects for him.

  1. number42is1 - Aug 14, 2012 at 9:06 AM

    so here is what i do not get an i hope that someone can explain to me. Why is it that when an pitcher makes an error the subsequent runs are unearned? I mean i understand why errors made by other fielders are tagged as unearned (although 1 of those 3 should be earned) but when a pitcher is the reason for the error than, by definition, it is earned off him, right?

    • lardin - Aug 14, 2012 at 9:29 AM

      Ive been asking the same question for years.

    • deepstblu - Aug 14, 2012 at 9:50 AM

      The thinking is that ERA is supposed to be solely a measure of pitching effectiveness without bringing the pitcher’s fielding into it, and that fielding effectiveness belongs in the fielding stats. If you want to argue for a more holistic approach I won’t fight you, but I don’t think that there are too many pitchers whose fielding is so bad that making a change will make a big difference.

    • surefooted1 - Aug 14, 2012 at 9:52 AM

      It’s because an error is still an error. They didn’t earn the runs regardless of who made the error.

      But I know what you mean. It’s a bit frustrating.

    • bj2745 - Aug 14, 2012 at 10:43 AM

      “Why is it that when an pitcher makes an error the subsequent runs are unearned?”

      They’re not.

      • number42is1 - Aug 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM

        by not you mean is?

    • skids003 - Aug 14, 2012 at 11:00 AM

      As a Braves fan, sometime the best moves you make are the ones you don’t.

  2. dirtyharry1971 - Aug 14, 2012 at 9:10 AM

    The guy has made “3″ starts for texas, how about we give him a chance before writting him off?

    • surefooted1 - Aug 14, 2012 at 9:53 AM

      Dempster is a 39yo vet not a 23 yo rookie. Even if he lost his first 3 games, he should still show signs of being able to swim.

      • ptfu - Aug 14, 2012 at 10:59 AM

        Dempster is 35 years old, not 39. Carry on.

      • shorttracknews - Aug 14, 2012 at 2:02 PM

        He has aged 4 years since joining the American League

  3. uyf1950 - Aug 14, 2012 at 9:22 AM

    It’s beginning to look like a lot of Dempsters success this season was a function of pitching in the National League. The smaller AL parks, generally better offenses and now pitching with a DH in the line ups may be taking it’s toll on Dempster. Just my opinion. And even just before the trade his last 2 outings for the Cubs against the Cardinals and Pirates he was not exactly lights out.

  4. sportsguygerald - Aug 14, 2012 at 9:33 AM

    If he keeps pitching up in the zone and catching the heart of the plate, he’s gonna keep getting lit up like a pinball machine

  5. headbeeguy - Aug 14, 2012 at 9:36 AM

    He was significantly out-pitching his peripherals in the NL Central. It would’ve been insane not to expect some regression going to the AL West.

    That said, his 3 starts have all been against top 6 offenses (by OPS), and he has 2 disasters and one great start. Hardly seems like reason to panic.

  6. angrycorgi - Aug 14, 2012 at 9:52 AM

    It could be worse…Texas could have given up 3 prospects for head-case Greinke (who happens to also not be doing well with an ERA of 5.68 with LAA with one L and two no-decision losses). At any rate, we are talking about only 3 starts w/ 17.1 IP, one of which was against the Yankees in NY, who Dempster has never pitched well against. Ultimately, its WAY too early to decide success/failure for Dempster or Greinke.

    • henryd3rd - Aug 14, 2012 at 10:16 AM

      Yeah right! I watched some of those shots that the Yankees were hitting off Dumpster and had they not brought someone in to relieve him someone in those right field stands might have gotten hurt by those rockets that were hit off him.

      Paging Mr. Oswalt. Paging Mr. Oswalt. He was up and throwing; but Ron Washington knew better then to bring him into that game.

    • heyblueyoustink - Aug 14, 2012 at 10:27 AM

      Or they could have given up some of those prospects for Hamels, back to back shut outs and all.

    • frenchysplatediscipline - Aug 14, 2012 at 10:32 AM

      No disrespect corgi but that is BS. Yes its a small sample size – but had the Braves acquired him – we would be 8 GB now instead of 5.

      Besides – any time that a team acquires a player at the deadline it is SPECIFICALLY for a small sample size; the rest of the season – especially when its a contract year like it is for Dempster.

      So yeah – at this point, its a failure. The only way it is not a failure is if he rights the ship and goes 5 – 0 the rest of the way. And judging by the way he is missing his spots over the last 3 starts – that’s not likely (even with the Rangers offense)

      • angrycorgi - Aug 14, 2012 at 6:38 PM

        “The only way it is not a failure is if he rights the ship and goes 5 – 0 the rest of the way.”

        Well, you sound pretty butt-hurt about him declining the Braves. Sadly the Braves will get knocked out in a one-game playoff vs Pitt or San Fran. Good luck with that.

  7. bravojawja - Aug 14, 2012 at 10:10 AM

    Thanks for shafting us, Ryan! Have fun in Texas!
    Sincerely,
    Braves fans

    • frenchysplatediscipline - Aug 14, 2012 at 10:16 AM

      AMEN. Sooooooooo glad he is not a Brave.

      And I don’t care if its a small sample size… With the way the Nats are playing – those 3 starts from Dumpster would mean we were 8 GB and pretty much only playing for the WC.

      • chip56 - Aug 14, 2012 at 11:10 AM

        He probably would be fine in Atlanta. For the Rangers he’s pitching against deeper lineups in smaller parks than he would find in most of the NL.

  8. Francisco (FC) - Aug 14, 2012 at 10:13 AM

    But it’s hard not to notice how poorly their big trade deadline acquisition is working out so far.

    It’s hard not to notice how all their starting rotation solutions seem to fizzle.

  9. mississippimusicman - Aug 14, 2012 at 10:16 AM

    SO glad Dempster killed the Braves deal.

    • henryd3rd - Aug 14, 2012 at 10:20 AM

      He would have been better off pitching on the National League. What was Ryan and Company thinking? First Roy Oswalt and now Ryan Dumpster. Theo Espstein must be rolling on his carpet laughing his a$$ off. He got some good prospects from Texas, got rid of an ugly contract and helped the Yankees in the process.

      • deathmonkey41 - Aug 14, 2012 at 1:44 PM

        How did he help the Yankees? By Dempster not going to NY?

  10. hushbrother - Aug 14, 2012 at 10:47 AM

    There’s something about Wrigley this year. Not just Dempster but Samardzija and Maholm before he was traded were also pitching great.

    Cubs flashing some leather, perhaps?

  11. pike573 - Aug 14, 2012 at 11:00 AM

    He’s returning to form. He was having a nice year but now he’s back to being Ryan Dempster.

  12. nekotman - Aug 14, 2012 at 1:04 PM

    So sad for you Ryan. Getting your butt lit up can’t be any fun. But, it couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. Enjoy the AL the next 6 weeks. See if you can pull it together so you can avoid total humiliation. After all, you chose the AL. Poor decision. First your main squeeze the Dodgers snubbed you and Theo didn’t want you either. So sad. Not really.

  13. materialman80 - Aug 14, 2012 at 2:58 PM

    Ryan has to have some time to lose that “Cubs Mentality”. When your with the Cubs, you “expect” to lose, after all, we are talking the Cubs, so most of the time you do just that, lose! He will come around, it will just take a little time. One day he will wake up and realize he’s not with the Cubs anymore and it will all be better……

  14. sarcasticks - Aug 14, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    Apparently in the AL, the “wrist flick” isn’t as devastatingly deceptive as it is in the NL.

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