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Adrian Gonzalez is trying to kill the messenger and you shouldn’t buy it

Aug 15, 2012, 9:12 AM EDT

Adrian Gonzalez, Bobby Valentine AP

Something that stuck out the most to me in all of the Red Sox drama last night was Adrian Gonzalez trying to trash Jeff Passan’s report of the coup he and the Red Sox players reportedly attempted last month:

“I don’t know what you’re talking about … I’ve never seen that guy in our clubhouse before. He doesn’t know what’s going on with us.”

Yes, because the only people who can credibly report on stuff that the players would not want to be made public are the guys who talk to the players every day and get on-the-record quotes for their stories.

Sorry, whether it’s politics, sports, entertainment or whatever, it’s way more likely that reporters working from the outside, cultivating sources who don’t normally provide media quotes, are the ones who are going to get the stories that make the powers-that-be look bad.  The White House press corps didn’t break Watergate, after all.

It’s just the nature of the beast. Beat reporters who are in the clubhouse every day have a huge incentive to not piss off the players and coaches on whom they report. It’s totally understandable. It’d present a practical (not an ethical) conflict of interest for any of them to report on such things as the Red Sox coup even if they knew about it.

More basically, that kind of dynamite tends to come from leakers and whisperers. If the leakers and whisperers are players, they’re not likely to leak or whisper to a guy who is in the clubhouse each day because people tend to know which players are tight with which reporters and the risk of being busted is too great.  Front office people leaking are not limited by who they talk to in the locker room each day because they’re not, you know, in the locker room.

Anyway, point is this: it’s one thing to say a story is false. It’s another thing to kill the messenger like Gonzalez is trying to do here.  It’s a non-denial that rings hollow and weak.

  1. psuravens19 - Aug 15, 2012 at 9:15 AM

    This couldn’t be happening to a better team and fan base…

    • yahmule - Aug 15, 2012 at 9:36 AM

      This season truly is the gift that keeps on giving.

    • Charles Gates - Aug 15, 2012 at 9:51 AM

      Behold, the Curse of Robert Andino.

    • tfbuckfutter - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:56 AM

      Admittedly the Red Sox have a large share of butthole fans….

      But let’s be realistic….a LOT more people would be thrilled to see the Yankees implode.

      • psuravens19 - Aug 15, 2012 at 11:10 AM

        I agree Yankee fans are pompous and they have alwasys been that way; but for me, Sox fans were fine until they started winning world series. Once that happened the team and fans became very arrogant and had a sense of entitlement.

      • tfbuckfutter - Aug 15, 2012 at 11:18 AM

        You’re arguing new money vs old money, PSU.

        The Yankees went through the same thing in the late 90s when, after some sad sad years in the 80s and 90s when they couldn’t even sell out the stadium, suddenly everyone in the country was a Yankee fan for the last 20 years.

      • kkolchak - Aug 15, 2012 at 12:05 PM

        My dream season would have both of them imploding at the same time. 😀

      • 18thstreet - Aug 15, 2012 at 12:11 PM

        Everyone liked us better when we never won anything. This makes perfect sense to me.

    • rooney24 - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:57 AM

      It would only be better if it were happening to the Yankees. But, this is a close 2nd.

    • pinkfloydprism - Aug 15, 2012 at 1:44 PM

      Most of us do not care, so your weak attempt at a jab rings hollow.

      • psuravens19 - Aug 15, 2012 at 2:02 PM

        Another thing I find funny about Sox fans is when ARod got busted for roids, you were all over him; but as soon as Papi gets caught he gets a standing ovation and trust me I was at the Game in Baltimore when it happened.

      • pinkfloydprism - Aug 15, 2012 at 2:51 PM

        Way to generalize.

  2. uyf1950 - Aug 15, 2012 at 9:21 AM

    There is a carcinogen in Boston’s clubhouse and on the team. Whether it’s Bobby Valentine the Manager, Gonzalez, Pedroia, Lester, Beckett, Lackey or any number of other players there is cancer growing there. And a band aid approach like trading Youkilis or moving Shoppach to prove Bobby V’s still in control isn’t going to solve the Red Sox problem. In this posters opinion they need to clean house, including probably someone like Lucchino has to go along with others.

  3. muir6 - Aug 15, 2012 at 9:34 AM

    They eat their own in Boston

    • 18thstreet - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:12 AM

      Bobby Valentine is not our own.

      • Old Gator - Aug 15, 2012 at 12:25 PM

        I can see the resemblance to a quahog.

  4. lazlosother - Aug 15, 2012 at 9:47 AM

    Meh. Seems pretty standard. If that is an attempt to kill the messenger Adrian must be a pretty mellow guy. Another consideration is that we really don’t know what was said at the meeting. We don’t know who said what we don’t know was said. We don’t know that what we don’t know was said wasn’t blown out of proportion. A specific complaint regarding the way some things are being handled may now have become a demand to have Valentine fired. Adrian, Dustin, etal. may actually have a reason to be upset about Passan’s report.

    I’ll file this one under “More sensationalized nonsense out of Boston”. And I’ll wonder how the narrative turns if Boston makes a surprise run at the wildcard.

    Something is up in Boston, but like the beer and chicken thing it’s so distorted by the media that we have very little idea who is involved or how bad it is.

  5. crispybasil - Aug 15, 2012 at 9:47 AM

    Is there a more unlikeable team in sports right now?

    • psuravens19 - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:27 AM

      The Patriots are pretty close…

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:48 AM


    • CJ - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:58 AM

      Lakers. For some, maybe even PSU. there’s a few out there that would give them a run.

      • kkolchak - Aug 15, 2012 at 12:07 PM

        Pedophile State are the champions in this category right now…but that’s college.

    • spellingcops - Aug 15, 2012 at 2:34 PM

      If you include the fans, I would have to say that the Pittsburgh Steelers would win hands down.

  6. phillyphever - Aug 15, 2012 at 9:58 AM

    You know, as much as my team’s been in the toilet this year (and maybe beyond), at least they’re being professionals (including Papelbon) about it. Same cannot be said here. Management there needs to do something, and not just fire Bobby.

    • pisano - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:10 AM

      phillyphever….good point, and now people should understand that Papelbon didn’t leave for just the money, he wanted to get away from that circus and backstabbing teammates such as Pedroia. If the Sox are smart they’ll get rid of Pedroia while he has some value, the guy’s a trouble maker. Francona let these guys have way too much leash and now they expect to get it from Valentine, who is no prize himself, but he deserves some kind of respect from his supposed players.

    • cleverbob - Aug 15, 2012 at 11:02 AM

      Knock on wood…

    • madhatternalice - Aug 15, 2012 at 1:26 PM

      Phillies threadjack in 3…2…1…

  7. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:06 AM

    I remember reading a while back about how the Yankees make all of their new players watch some instructional videos about dealing with the NY press, how to handle yourself with the media etc. Seems like Boston might be wise to consider such an approach.

    • paperlions - Aug 15, 2012 at 2:10 PM

      …and to start by making Valentine watch it every day.

      Boston’s problem may be manifesting as player discontent, but this is all a top down phenomenon. The management regularly leaks information, the smear former players/managers/GMs as soon as they depart, they will leak anything to try to make themselves not look to blame for unpopular results/decisions. Those actions already sow distrust. Then you add Valentine to the middle layer….a guy who is famous for being a poor communicator, and the result is a bunch of frustrated players that feel like they’ll be hung out to dry as soon as it suits someone up stairs (or in the manager’s office) to do so…and they are right.

  8. Old Gator - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:11 AM

    Kill the messenger!
    Kill the messenger!

    …then eat him.

    • kiwicricket - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:29 AM

      “‘We musn’t let anything happen to Piggy, must we?'”
      – William Golding, Lord of the Flies

  9. hlang - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:14 AM

    I don’t care what happens in Boston but I’m gratified any time anybody, even the scummiest scum, takes a whack at Passan. His life’s work is muck Max Mercy would have scraped off his shoe.

  10. stac266 - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:29 AM

    And the slide into total chaos continues. You never hear anything about Adrian and now even he’s starting to sound like a whiny, defensive little brat. Not sure what needs to change but it’s quite obvious something does.

  11. eric174 - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:36 AM

    The point of this post is so the writer can defend himself. He sits in his office and writes things
    without having any interaction with any team or any players. No knowledge.

    He just gives his opinion.

    We all know what they say about opinions.

    • snowbirdgothic - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:40 AM

      Especially in comments sections.

      Where we, you know. Write our opinions.

      • gogigantos - Aug 15, 2012 at 11:55 AM

        Is it strange when what we all see and think jibes with what is reported? This team, this case, this manager, and this management??? seems like it all hit a bit too close to real for this crew of whining Red Sox.

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Aug 15, 2012 at 11:00 AM

      I believe the point of this post is to say that AGon’s argument is invalid. Whether or not Yo Adrien has seen Passan in the clubhouse is irrelevant. Passan has clubhouse sources (whether players, management, or others) and those sources relay information to him and he reports on it. That is his job.

      Maybe if Yo Adrien and his teammates were doing their own jobs a bit better there would not be such harsh light shining on this club and everything going on around them.

    • CJ - Aug 15, 2012 at 1:08 PM

      The point of this post is so the poster can criticize the writer. Not for any particularly good reason, just so he can sit in his office/basement/whatever and talk tough without having any interaction with any team or any players (or any human beings in general). No knowledge.

      He just gives his opinion.

      We all know what they say about opinions.

  12. deathmonkey41 - Aug 15, 2012 at 11:06 AM

    Big Papi just wants to know how something like this could be happening to a guy like him???

  13. makeham98 - Aug 15, 2012 at 11:15 AM

    . . . unlike Penn Staters.

  14. gogigantos - Aug 15, 2012 at 11:20 AM

    BoSox fans are so annoying, I almost wish some Phightin troll would hijack this thread and turn into something about Howard’s ankle, or contract. Phuck all you all. BoSox made their bed, they can sleep in it, soil it, and wake up in all that mess they made all by themselves.
    A management team that sows such discord deserves all the ugly beans that grow from such confusion.
    The players themselves, such a crew of babies I have not seen outside kindergarten in all my life.
    They all deserve each other. If there wasn’t a mountain of money involved, I would expect them all to fight over the ball they want to take home and not play at all.

  15. willclarkgameface - Aug 15, 2012 at 12:33 PM

    Dear Adrian Gonzalez: FUCK YOU.

    • pisano - Aug 15, 2012 at 2:22 PM

      So I’m guessing you don’t care for Adrian?

  16. xmatt0926x - Aug 15, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    Gonzalez isn’t stupid. He know’s he’s the one who will be left to deal with this as he is the one who is reported to have sent the text. Meanwhile, back at Wayne Manor, all the other players are giving the standard “I have no problem with Bobby” speech.

  17. timpaz - Aug 15, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    This reminds me of what happened a few years ago in Denver,when Toliwitzki back stabbed Clint Hurdle , glad he ended up with a young talented team in Pittsburgh, oh and where are the Rockies

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