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Mariners fans will always have King Felix’s perfect game

Aug 15, 2012, 7:12 PM EDT

Felix Hernandez AP

Cherish Wednesday’s perfect game, Mariners fans, and enjoy King Felix’s Seattle tenure while it lasts.

Let’s face it: there’s a good chance Felix Hernandez will end his Mariners career never having won a postseason game.

The Mariners are set to finish in last place in the AL West for a third straight season and for the seventh time in nine years. They haven’t gone to the playoffs once in the 10 years since Hernandez was signed as a 16-year-old out of Venezuela, and it seems doubtful that they’re going to get there next year.

We’ve reached the point that it probably makes sense for the Mariners to trade Hernandez. Fortunately, his trade value will still be near its peak this winter. The free agent class includes only one elite starter, Zack Greinke, and there are question marks about him as far as how he’d fare in the spotlight. The next best starter available is probably Edwin Jackson, unless you’re a big Anibal Sanchez or Ryan Dempster fan.

Hernandez is signed for two more years at a total of $39.5 million after this one. That’d not exactly a bargain, but he’d probably command $27 million-$30 million per year as a free agent, and the team that acquires him would get a big head start in signing him to an extension. He’s worth several top prospects, and the Mariners could definitely use some high-upside bats as they attempt to rebuild. The Rangers, Yankees, Dodgers and Red Sox would all likely enter the bidding if Hernandez is made available. Hernandez is probably the one player out there for whom the Rangers would sacrifice shortstop Jurickson Profar, and he would be pretty much the perfect building block for the Mariners.

It’d be a shame to see Felix go, particularly given that he seems to enjoy Seattle, but the Mariners need much more than one ace if they’re ever going to challenge the AL West elite. They just might be able to turn Hernandez into three or four quality major leaguers, upping their odds for 2014 and beyond.

  1. brewcrewfan54 - Aug 15, 2012 at 7:17 PM

    I’m pretty sure most Mariner fans realize Hernrnandez wont likely be with them for the duration of his contract.

    • swyrlpr - Aug 16, 2012 at 3:03 PM

      The idea that Hernandez is going anywhere is rooted in complete ignorance of the Mariners current talent and farm system.

      Seattle has some of the best arms in their farms system right now. In addition, the team is very young and promising with a core group of potential studs in Ackley, Seger, Montero, Saunders, Wells, Smoak…this team is on the rise. This team will be a contender and it could be as soon as next season.

  2. shawnuel - Aug 15, 2012 at 7:18 PM

    Nope. Thanks for joining the list of short-sighted douche bags who can’t comprehend that Seattle would never get full value for Felix. Also…..Baseball is just WAY too unpredictable a game not to have some hope that the Mariners keep improving with all the talent Jack Zduriencik and Tom MacNamara have brought into the fold through the draft.

    • Kyle - Aug 15, 2012 at 7:26 PM

      Seriously. Awesome tone in this article.

    • Kyle - Aug 15, 2012 at 7:27 PM

      USA lands rover on Mars! But let’s face it, we’re all going to die one day.

    • sabatimus - Aug 16, 2012 at 2:01 PM

      He doesn’t even wait until the dust settles on this magnificent performance, and then swoops right in for the buzzkill. It’s like taking a dump on someone’s birthday cake. And it’s not like Nintendo, given the numbers Matthew himself cites, gives a flying crap about the Mariners from a winning point of view–they just care about turning a profit. That’s the biggest reason they don’t win, Felix or no.

  3. thatyankeedude - Aug 15, 2012 at 7:23 PM

    Yankees its official, give this dude the money he deserves.

  4. lancer255 - Aug 15, 2012 at 7:28 PM

    Why are you a Debbie Downer?

  5. emeraldcityfan - Aug 15, 2012 at 7:37 PM

    Ugh not this again. I know it’s hard for the rest of America to understand, but Felix is not going anywhere. He genuinely likes playing here, and if you think our attendance sucks now, what would losing our only draw do? People forget we have had large payrolls in the past, and trading your best player for unproven talent just perpetuates a never ending cycle.

    • vallewho - Aug 15, 2012 at 7:53 PM

      He may “like” playing in Seattle, but we’ll see if he likes $$$ some more. I’m guessing there would be at least a 40-50 Million difference in what the Ms offer him and what he would get elsewhere. And think about this, if the Ms do show him the money, it pretty much guarantees that they would be cash-strapped for the remainder of the term of the contract. That equals more mediocre lineups going forward.

      • brewcrewfan54 - Aug 15, 2012 at 8:58 PM

        Prince Fielder liked playing in Milwaukee also.

    • superlegoboy - Aug 16, 2012 at 12:42 AM

      Remember the 116-win season came soon after losing Alex Rodriguez, Ken Griffey Jr., and Randy Johnson. Everyone said the M’s would never compete after losing so much talent. I would hate to lose Felix, but sometimes losing good players can lead to a better overall team.

      • svenska253 - Aug 16, 2012 at 5:08 PM

        Your point might be valid IF it was correct. Randy left Seattle in ’98, Junior in ’99 and Pay-Rod went to Texas to play for a “contender” (i.e. a big paycheck) in 2000. NONE of them were part of the 116 win season. It happened after all of them had left Seattle. So your point would be…? (Go Mariners!!!!)

      • svenska253 - Aug 16, 2012 at 5:10 PM

        Sorry superlegoboy — my response was intended for someone else (not you!) and got mistakenly posted after yours. You are 100% correct!!!!

  6. vallewho - Aug 15, 2012 at 7:47 PM

    The Mariners have no chance of building a WS caliber team in the next 2 years. And they certainly will not pay the King the $$$ that he will get in the open market. They should trade him for someone else’s entire farm system.

    • mlblogsmarinerszog - Aug 16, 2012 at 9:20 AM

      Felix is already getting paid what the elite starters in baseball are getting paid. I believe it’s around 17.5 million this year, around 19 next year and 20 million in 2014. Ichiro is off the books, Figgins goes off the books after this year. We have the money to extend him at 20-25 for 4 more years AND still go get a big FA bat.

      • lumpyf - Aug 16, 2012 at 9:40 AM

        20-25 million over 4 years won’t get it done. Try 200 million over 7 for starters.

  7. washstnative - Aug 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM

    Ah yes, some one else who thinks that the Mariners are a 4A farm club for the Yankees or (insert team name) that is willing to spend money to win… Go ahead Mariners pull the trigger- we Mariner fans can’t stand it anymore- King Felix is too good to play for our lowly city… ***sniff***

    • vallewho - Aug 15, 2012 at 8:07 PM

      think about it this way…you pay money to support your team. why doesn’t your team spend that money to put out the best team? I guess you don’t want that.

      • wolfmagic2012 - Aug 16, 2012 at 12:21 PM

        Clearly you didn’t comprehend the dripping sarcasm in washstnative’s comment… yawn.

  8. sreske93 - Aug 15, 2012 at 8:07 PM

    Well at least the mariners won’t finish last next season

    • washstnative - Aug 15, 2012 at 8:44 PM

      Who knows maybe the Astros will trade for King Felix to draw a crowd…

      • stex52 - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:47 PM

        Doubt you are serious, but absolutely no way. They are committed to building and low payrolls. It’s Tampa Bay lite or die in Houston.

  9. manchestermiracle - Aug 15, 2012 at 8:12 PM

    Congrats to Hernandez. That being said, there are sure some lousy hitting clubs in MLB. A lot of swings at pitches nearly in the dirt. And Felix had the home plate ump on his side, calling strikes that weren’t really even close. I’m not sure that would have made much of a difference, with the lack of discipline I saw at the plate from the opposition.

    • IdahoMariner - Aug 16, 2012 at 3:50 PM

      you clearly don’t understand what the hell you saw. or you didn’t see it. they are swingng atballs in the dirt because they thought the ball was going to stay in the strike zone. his pitches are nasty that way.
      and the other guy had the same strike zone, and was pitching great, but he didn’t have a perfect game and he was pitching to a far, far worse hitting team.

  10. drewshawforpresident - Aug 15, 2012 at 8:19 PM

    Kyle Lohse has got to be ahead of Sanchez and Dempster on the free agent starters list, right?

  11. Reflex - Aug 15, 2012 at 8:22 PM

    As usual another writer who does not understand the M’s or their history. The M’s had top ten payrolls from 1998-2007 until Bavasi’s mismanagement left the team without any minor league system to speak of and tons of terrible contracts. The team can spend, it can spend big. There is no reason they would not pay Felix top dollar if he wants to stay, and it would certainly not cripple the team’s economics.

    If Felix moves on it will be because at age 28 he wants to try pitching somewhere else. However I’m certain that the M’s would offer him another 5 year contract, provided he remains healthy and productive, at whatever the going rate is. My guess is he will assess the city, assess the direction of the team at that time, and then make the decision. That is certainly what he did the last time this occurred and everyone else thought he was going to be a free agent. Didn’t work out that way then, and their future looked a lot more bleak at the time than it does now.

    • brewcrewfan54 - Aug 15, 2012 at 9:04 PM

      Try this though. If the M’s can spend as you say they can and if Felix likes it there so much why not trade him for some prospects and then when he hits free agency give him the money to bring him back.

      • Reflex - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:15 PM

        Once he leaves who says he’d want to come back? Also, any team that trades for him is going to want to negotiate an extension. Part of what makes guys like Felix(and Verlander, Jeter, etc) so valuable is their ‘franchise player’ history. Once Felix has been delt, he’s really no longer the guy who spent his career with the M’s, someone else will be in that role.

        I have no doubt that if they did choose to deal him they’d still be in the market for him later. But at that point he has zero reason to feel at all loyal to the club since they would have demonstrated no loyalty to him. He’s simply a mercenary at that point, seeking either fame or fortune(or both).

      • brewcrewfan54 - Aug 15, 2012 at 11:23 PM

        Well according to the post I responded to he would.

  12. kkolchak - Aug 15, 2012 at 8:26 PM

    One team you shouldn’t rule out as a potential trading parter: The Nats. They’ve got both the prospects and the deep pockets, and might just be tempted to have Felix join Strasburg, Jordan Zimmermann and Gio Gonzalez in what would be an all world rotation.

    • Reflex - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:17 PM

      Didn’t the Phillies just go down this road? How’s that working out for them? Also, the Nats are lacking hitting, the M’s also need hitting, who do you propose the Nats deal to the M’s to make such a trade paletable? What Felix level hitters do they have?

      • kkolchak - Aug 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM

        Difference being, the Phillies pitchers were much older. None of the Nats Big 4 would be older than 27 next year if they made the trade.

        If they did the deal, I would imagine that something along the lines of Ross Detwlier, Alex Meyer Anthony Rendon and Steve Lombardozzi would be the offer. That’s potentially two-fifths of Seattle’s rotation (a hard throwing lefty with three years left of team control and a righty who can top 99 on the gun), the top college bat from last year’s draft and a good starting 2nd basemen who can lead off.

      • Reflex - Aug 16, 2012 at 9:48 AM

        The problem is that a huge chunk of the Phil’s payroll is tied up in thier pitching. Turns out you need bats to go along with them. If the Nat’s theoretically acquired Felix that would be a $20m/year add. Especially if they then tossed young cost controlled hitters the M’s way.

        Also, if you are not willing to throw Harper into that deal then it probably is not happening. Start your offer with Harper and Rendon. And probably a high upside AA pitcher.

  13. bry2j316 - Aug 15, 2012 at 9:27 PM

    I agree with everyone else that said how absurd this article is. I think it is a bit too soon to dismiss the idea of Felix resigning here. He really truly likes it here, and has never been a guy into money or market size. The Mariners are willing to spend when it makes sense for them to do so.

    That being said it is of course a possibility, but by no means the foregone conclusion the East Coast centered media make it out to be.

    • brewcrewfan54 - Aug 15, 2012 at 9:34 PM

      I certainly believe that Felix likes it there but are they close enough to winning right now where signing him makes sense? Sometimes trading a guy as unpopular as it is, is the way to go.

      • bry2j316 - Aug 15, 2012 at 9:41 PM

        I’m not saying it is or isn’t in the team’s best interest. Only that this front office may want to resign him, and if they do I think Felix would pick Seattle if the money is even close. Remember we just got done paying Ichiro close to $20 million a year to hit singles. We also just traded Cliff Lee for Justin Smoak, who can’t hit in Triple A. Not the best track record of trading an ace and making the team better.

      • brewcrewfan54 - Aug 15, 2012 at 9:53 PM

        Obviously trades for prospects are a bit of a crapshoot but having 1 good pitcher with nobody around him doesn’t do you much good either.

      • Reflex - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:20 PM

        bry2j316 – Smoak was a top prospect. You also ignored the deals where the M’s delt quality pitching for Montero and Trayvon Robinson. Prospects hit and miss all the time, but the M’s are maknig the right moves in trying to acquire hitting prospects for pitchers. That said, there is literally not a single hitting prospect, hell not even two hitting prospects, that would make a trade of Felix worth it. Take the top two from any system and tell me how you would make that deal make sense for the M’s.

      • blueballzny - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:40 PM

        Brewcrewfan: How about Trout and Trumbo? Let’s say the M’s traded Felix to the Angels a year ago for those 2 guys. You don’t think that trade would be worth it? Of course Seattle would have had no way of knowing how good both players would be, but they were considered the Angel’s top prospects. Another example would be Mauer and Morneau. When they were first brought up, they changed the Twins franchise. 2-3 young hitters can absolutely make a difference.

      • brewcrewfan54 - Aug 15, 2012 at 11:19 PM

        Bleballzny, not sure what you’re saying to me since I think they should trade him.

      • dorbs345 - Aug 16, 2012 at 1:17 PM

        Felix wont be traded. The team already has a load of prospects and he doesn’t want to go anywhere. It would take… Strasburg, and Harper…. or Kemp, Kershaw and Hanley…. or Hamilton, Cruz and Darvish for it to make any sense at all.

  14. sdpaulson - Aug 15, 2012 at 9:54 PM

    What’s wrong with the M’s – Lincoln and Armstrong. Face it, as long as those two fools are in those positions the M’s will be near the bottom. Their experiment of Gillick and Pinella (though wildly successful to the point of sell outs, playoffs and near $110 million in pay roll) – they couldn’t stand the thought that baseball minds new more than they……. Now the developing Felix situation (the only team star) declining attendance and revenues into account, they will obviously pay the bucks to Felix and since they shoot the wad on him (behind doors Jack won’t have a say in this) – Seattle will continue to be a AAA team mascarding as an MLB team – trading for less costly talent to balance the financials. Then the two idiots at the top will decide to continue their revolving door change outs at the GM and Manager position because the team is in the cellar. This will set organization back “learning” a new system and philosophy.
    As much as the fans like Felix, I like Felix, he likes the area – sorry, it just makes too much baseball sense if the M’s are truely rebuilding to not use his equity right now.

    • Reflex - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:23 PM

      Lincoln and Armstrong were good in the 90’s. They were good in the early 2000’s. They didn’t suddenly lose it. They hired Bill Bavasi who squandered a solid farm system and good MLB team. The failure of Lincoln and Armstrong was giving Bavasi not only enough rope to hang himself, but to hang the franchise with him. Several franchises are in this position, such as the Astros and Mets, where the major league club is not competitive but the actions of a poor GM cost them their minor league system as well.

      Hiring Jack was a good first move, and he is restocking the farm system quite nicely. Hopefully he gets as long a shot as Bavasi did, even if he does not take them all the way he is likely to leave the team in far better shape than he inherited it(not that that takes much).

      • sdpaulson - Aug 16, 2012 at 1:50 AM

        Reflex – the reason that Armstrong and Lincoln were good in the 90’s was because of the control they had to give up to get Gillick and Pinella in the first place – those deals are fact and in print. Being the baseball “men” G&P were, they would have never agree’d to come to Seattle without guaranttee’s to that effect. When G got run out of town, word hit the street in MLB about A&L’s medling. A&L’s only real option they had was hiring a novice like Bavasi they could beat like a drum…. They day B signed, someone in the organization told me B didn’t know baseball like his old man and that the M’s were going to tank, bank on it. They did. Each and every B deal was run through A&L. I’ll ask you this: “IF A&L were of keen eye and such astute baseball genius’, why would all of a sudden they allow the novice B to start dealing the top prospects – risking tanking the juggernaut of a team/system G&P had put together?”
        I do like what Jack is doing with the farm system but A&L will have only enough patience until losing, gate receipts and team revenue risk their jobs….. then I’m afraid trader Jack and Wedge will be out and we start a new.

      • Reflex - Aug 16, 2012 at 9:51 AM

        This argument does not make sense. The M’s management did not get thier arms twisted behind their back during the Gillick era. They chose to hire the guy, and he did the job well. That said, Gillick’s reputation is for spending the farm system to ‘win now’ which is why he’s a great closer GM for a team that has been on the cusp but has not quite sealed the deal(Toronto, Seattle, Phillies). But he does not do good things for a farm system.

        Armstrong and Lincoln’s biggest mistake was giving Bavasi as much lattitude as they gave Gillick.

  15. swu32733 - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:22 PM

    The GMs around the league must be drooling over the prospect of negotiating with “Trader Jack” to get Felix. Remember “TraderJack” is the Buffon who traded Brandon Morrow for Brandon League.

    • Reflex - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:27 PM

      Morrow was delt for a number of reasons. And his tenure with the Jays has been…uneaven…to say the least. Local coverage of him here was not positive, he was not good in the clubhouse, he was not friendly in the community, and he was incredibly inconsistent as a pitcher. He was a mistake of a pick by Bavasi ahead of guys like Clayton Kershaw and Tim Lincecum(a local guy from Bellevue who wanted to play for the M’s!).

      At the time they delt him his stock was low and nobody wanted him. That they got any value at all was an accomplishment.

  16. blueballzny - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:27 PM

    People are forgetting about the most important obstacle in Seattle resigning King Felix. Its not money. Anyone who thinks a 5 year 125 million dollar contract will “cripple” Seattle is wrong. Seattle’s ownership has shown they’ll spend big money. Seattle may not matcha contract proposed by the Dodgers or Red Sox, but their offer will be very competitive. Athletes can say that money doesn’t matter but we all know that’s not true. However, Felix doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who will go to the highest bidder.

    Seattle is in trouble because they are at least 3 years away from being legitimate contenders. Can they overachieve like Baltimore this year? Yeah. But its unlikely. Felix is a legend, and like all other legends he wants to win. He knows he will never pitch an inning of post season ball in Seattle while he is there. The post season is where players earn immortality and I’m sure Felix wants a shot at a title. The Mariners farm system is average at best. It’s not like they have studs waiting in the wings. Dustin Ackley was a top prospect before the season and has been awful but the system is so bad that they cant send him down because they have nobody else

    Felix’s desire to win will lead to his departure. I can completely understand why Mariners fans refuse to believe this. If I were a M’s fan I would not want to see it happen either. However the franchise needs talent and Felix can bring in a boatload of it. The best decision they can make is to trade him while he is still worth a kings ransom. Look what the Texeira deal did for Texas.

    • swyrlpr - Aug 16, 2012 at 3:27 PM

      “Seattle is in trouble because they are at least 3 years away from being legitimate contenders.”

      I completely disagree. With the core of Ackley, Seager, Montero, Wells, Saunders, Smoak etc along with the 3 stud pitching prospects that could all be in the rotation in the next 2 years, this is a team that could be a contender as soon as next season.

  17. chill1184 - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:41 PM

    Another reason why the sports MSM is such a pathetic joke. The fact of the matter is nobody really knows what King Felix is thinking or what the Mariner’s front office is thinking. All this is, is speculation with a snotty tone thrown in for good measure.

  18. swu32733 - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:44 PM

    Don’t forget the Fister trade. I don’t even remember what we got for Fister. Please don’t tell me Fister did not get along in the clubhouse or community.

    • dorbs345 - Aug 16, 2012 at 1:15 PM

      Casper Wells was in that deal

  19. retief1954 - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:55 PM

    Why is it a given that any great player, especially pitchers, must eventually play for a big-market team like Boston, LAD, or NYY in order to “validate” their career? This guys says “the Mariners need much more than one ace if they’re ever going to challenge the AL West elite.” Well, sure. EVERY team needs much more than one ace to challenge for titles. If the Ms trade Felix, then they’d have ZERO aces, which would put them even FARTHER away from contention. And, baseball being like it is, there’s a SIGNIFICANT possibility that trading Felix for another team’s best prospects would result in the Ms getting two or three or four players who are busts, or low-impact players at the MLB level. Not worth that risk, in my opinion, especially since the Ms already have a number of prospects they’ve developed and are trying to get to a consistent level of performance in MLB. The Ms should continue to do everything possible to improve steadily, so by the time Felix’s contract is up, Seattle will be a very attractive option for him to stay. I don’t think they could possibly get enough back for him. He’s very likely to be an all-star caliber pitcher for years.

    • wolfmagic2012 - Aug 16, 2012 at 12:40 PM

      Agreed. Nicely put. I’m fed up with Trader Jack, but even moreso with A & L and the owner. How can a team win when its owner doesn’t even watch baseball? Until the M’s have a committed owner and office, the fans will continue to thin out and the rest will simply endure more years of basement mediocrity. As a huge Ms fan from Alaska, these last 10 years have been exasperating to say the least. If Felix also wants to bail on the Ms, just like Griff, Unit & A-Rod, well okay, then let him go. But if Felix truly wishes to stay in Seattle, then pay him what he’s worth, and he will be enshrined in fans hearts forever for his loyalty. Wen the Ms sign a new TV deal, that’s when we’ll have the jingle to add the few pieces we need to contend.

  20. Reflex - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:55 PM

    Mariner’s first round picks during the Bavasi era (other candidates in parenthesis, speculated picks at the time with an asterix)-

    2004: No first round pick (not Bavasi’s fault)
    2005: #3 Jeff Clement (Ryan Zimmerman, Ryan Braun, Troy Tulowitzki, Andrew McCutchen, Jay Bruce, Jacoby Ellsbury, Matt Garza, Colby Rasmus)
    2006: #5 Brandon Morrow (Clayton Kershaw*, Tim Lincecum*)
    2007: #11 Phillippe Aumont (Jason Heyward*, Rick Porcello)
    2008: #20 Josh Fields (Daniel Schlereth, Lance Lynn)

    This is a pretty sorry record. The only guy he drafted in the first round that made the majors and had any impact was Morrow, and he’s been mediocre(career ERA of 4.19, career bWAR of only 6.6).

    His trades were even worse. Guys he delt with recieved in parenthesis) –

    Freddy Garcia (Miguel Olivo, Jeremy Reed, Mike Morse)
    Carlos Guillen (Ramon Santiago)
    Asdrubal Cabrera (Eduardo Perez)
    Shin-Soo Choo (Ben Broussard)
    Randy Winn (Jesse Foppert, Yorvit Torrealba)
    Rafael Soriano (Horacio Ramirez)
    Matt Thorton (Joe Borchard)
    Adam Jones/George Sherrill/Chris Tillman (Erik Bedard)

    He essentially gutted the farm system of every possible talent for a bunch of guys who were either role players, or did not pan out. Then failed to draft suitable replacements. This is textbook how you gut a franchise.

    This team could have spent the second half of the last decade with an outfield of Choo/Jones/Ichiro, and an infield that included Tulo or Zimmerman and Asdrubal. They’d have had a rising fireballer like Kershaw or Lincecum to pitch behind Felix. That team would have needed very little else to be a strong competitor for years. Instead Seattle got dreck.

    I do not believe all of Jack’s deals will pan out. No GM is that good. But his predecessor gutted the system. And before you claim that hindsight is 20/20 I will point out that virtually nobody agreed with any of Bavasi’s moves when they were being made, and for almost his entire tenure Fox Sports ranked him the worst GM in the game. Every draft pick was extremely controversial at the time, and every trade was considered idiotic.

    And finally, I will point out his signings:

    Carlos Silva
    Raul Ibanez (this one was not bad)
    Richie Sexson
    Adrian Beltre (also not bad)
    Jarrod Washburn
    Scott Spiezio
    Rich Aurilia
    Carl Everett
    Matt Lawton
    Jeff Weaver

    All of these guys got large multi year deals far beyond what anyone else would pay for them. Only two ever earned thier contracts.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I’m not a M’s fan. I only moved to this area in 1999. But I do like good baseball, and I especially appreciate a well run team. I wish the Rays were the hometown team. Instead I got the Mariner’s. Since Jack took over the moves have started to make sense, but he started with a very deep hole and I’m willing to give him a couple more years to see if there is progress. If the team is not respectable in 2014 it will be time to start talking consequences. But he deserves at least as much time to rebuild as it took Bavasi to tear down.

    • florida76 - Aug 16, 2012 at 12:07 AM

      Reflex, it sounds like you know your stuff regarding the M’s, they’re one of the numerous sports franchises with a world championship drought streak spanning their entire existence.

      You say you’re not a Seattle fan, so I don’t understand why you would have a vested interest in seeing good M’s baseball. Your tax dollars or other contributions are likely supporting the team anyway. If you’re a fan of another team from your past, keep supporting that team if you want. This isn’t the old Soviet Union, we as fans have the freedom to remain loyal to any team from where we lived before. I’ve lived in places where I could care less about the local team, it meant absolutely nothing to me.

      • Reflex - Aug 16, 2012 at 2:25 AM

        I’m from Oregon originally, I didn’t grow up with a team, although I was a fan of Bonds so I tended to follow the Giants as a kid.

        I follow most teams, honestly, and can give you a rundown as thorough as this one of nearly half the league. I am a fan of the game, not of any single team.

        The reason I’d like to see the M’s run the right way is because seeing a well run team execute is the thing I enjoy the most about the sport. Fluke teams do not interest me. Teams that make tons of mistakes but can buy their way out of them do not interest me. But teams that do things right interest me, even if the end result is not the wins they should have for their efforts(luck can sabotage even the best built teams).

        The Rays are probably the best run franchise in the game, in terms of executing from top to bottom organizationally. I also think the Brewers get a lot right. The A’s are another I admire, and I liked the Red Sox teams from 2004-2008 or so. The Yankees in the mid-90’s were great, at least for people who admire the aspects of the game that I do.

        Conversely, the Giants are atrocious to follow. Dodgers, Marlins and the Yankees since 1999 or so. And easily the most horrible batch I’ve ever seen(perhaps because of my proximity), has to be the Bavasi years with the M’s. That said, I don’t live in Pittsburgh.

  21. theseattlefan - Aug 15, 2012 at 11:46 PM

    Let’s just contract all teams in all sports that aren’t from New York or California that way every team will be guaranteed a superstar at each position. What’s worse than a Tea Bagger? Writers like this and the so-called fans (who are obviously clueless to history) who agree.

    • brewcrewfan54 - Aug 16, 2012 at 12:08 AM

      I agr that I’m not a big fan of this particular writer bit what he’s saying, as jerky as the tone of it always is with him, isn’t exactly wrong. My Brewers have to do the same thing. It sucks but is generally how it goes. Unless Seattle does something soon why would he want to re-sign there? Most players don’t want to sign somewhere that winning doesn’t look possible. As of right now the Mariners dont seem to be too close.

      • dorbs345 - Aug 16, 2012 at 1:14 PM

        Felix has reiterated numerous times he will not leave Seattle. They will pay him his money, and the team is getting better. He is young and has many years to grow with the rest of the kids.

    • marinersnate - Aug 16, 2012 at 3:04 AM

      “What’s worse than a Tea Bagger?”

      A liberal.

  22. mmason0071 - Aug 16, 2012 at 12:04 AM

    I’m beginning to think that sportswriters call for trades just so they will have something to write about. After enjoying years watching Ken Griffey. Alex Rodriquez, Randy Johnson, Jay Buhner and Edgar Martinez the Mariner’s few remaining fans have exactly one great player to still root for. Trading Felix would be a kick in the teeth. Besides, the Mariners have been trading good pitchers for prospects for several years, and all these great ‘prospects’ have stunk.

  23. mlblogsmarinerszog - Aug 16, 2012 at 9:37 AM

    Was anyone saying the Giants should trade Matt Cain after his perfect game? Was it said that the Mets should trade Johan after his no-no? I can’t recall anyone saying either of these things. But Felix has a great game and all of a sudden we should trade him to New York. He throws a perfect game and now we should trade him anywhere? Really? MLB Network was finally saying yesterday we should hold on to him.

    Who do you really think we could get for him? Prospects won’t cut it. We would need to get established, producing, excellent major league players in return. What team do you think can even provide the value we would need to get in return? Can’t be done.

    It’s not speculation to say he likes playing here once it has been said by the player. Yes, Prince Fielder liked playing in Milwaukee too. Well, Felix already has a contract that pays him like the Cy Young winning pitcher he is. With payroll coming off the books so from, let’s face it, bad contracts the M’s have the ability to extend him at the 20-25, maybe even 30 million per year for an additional 4-5 years and still compete.

    There is a wealth of prospects in the Mariner system as well. From pitchers like Hultzen to catchers like Mizino (yes, I know it’s his first year – already at AA) and fielders like Franklin. The M’s are ready to compete.

    Stop saying the Mariners should trade Felix unless you are ready to say the Yankees should trade Cano, or CC. Or that the Nat’s should trade Strasburg or Harper. That would be crazy though, right?

  24. dorbs345 - Aug 16, 2012 at 1:11 PM

    Get over it folks, Felix will not be traded. Mariner’s already have a load of prospects, so unless a team wants to trade, Kemp, Hanley and Kershaw…. Or Hamilton, Cruz, and Darvish. He’s not going anywhere. He loves Seattle, and they are getting better each year. This sh*t gets so old. Get over it…. especially the East Coast.

  25. Tick - Aug 16, 2012 at 1:18 PM

    The Mariners have no chance of competing the the AL West. Exactly. Just like the A’s have no chance of competing in the AL West….oh….wait. Okay, well, Just like the Orioles have no hope of competeing in the AL East….oh..wait. How about several years of hearing Tampa Bay can never get past the Red Sox and Yankees….oh…wait……Washington? Forget it.

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