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Charlie Manuel had a sitdown with Jimmy Rollins about lack of hustle

Aug 17, 2012, 8:23 AM EDT

Charlie Manuel

Jimmy Rollins’ lack of hustle, that is, not Cholly’s.  Cholly is sneaky-fast:

Manuel chastised Rollins for not running out a ground ball in the sixth inning of Wednesday’s 9-2 loss in Miami.

“We have two rules: Hustle and be on time,” Manuel said later. “That’s all I have to say. This is between Jimmy and me.”

Manuel said he thought about benching Rollins for Thursday night’s game but decided against it because he believed the meeting was productive.

I’m gonna guess that the meeting ended with Manuel saying something like “get me? or “so, we jake?”

More seriously: a player not running out a ground ball in the closing stages of a profoundly disappointing season is the sort of thing the newspaper and talk radio guys go crazy on, so you sort of have to make a point to look like you’re addressing thing, but a couple of things are worth considering: (1) there are probably several instances a week in which a player on any team doesn’t run out a ground ball; and (2) a veteran who has a history of leg injuries is someone you probably don’t mind taking it easy once in a while, especially in a game that is out of hand.

Not that that will change anything. When it comes to the politics of hustle, the “it’s ok not to run everything out” position is going to lose every single time.

  1. illbringdabeers - Aug 17, 2012 at 8:33 AM

    When someone gets paid $18,000 per at bat, they can f’n run out a ground ball to SS. Pathetic

    • kkolchak - Aug 17, 2012 at 8:45 AM

      Yep–dude has no clue how lucky he is that he was born with the right athletic talent to make him a great baseball player. If not for that, he’d probably be flipping burgers for 18 grand a YEAR.

      • chadjones27 - Aug 17, 2012 at 8:51 AM

        Why do people always assume that every athlete is stoopid and that if they didn’t have sports they’d be “flipping burgers?”

      • illbringdabeers - Aug 17, 2012 at 8:58 AM

        chadjones27 have you ever heard Rollins speak? He’s not exactly a scholar

      • gammagammahey - Aug 17, 2012 at 8:59 AM

        Casual racism.

      • kkolchak - Aug 17, 2012 at 9:17 AM

        Because few of them–white, black, Hispanic, Asian, Martian–come off as Mensa members when they are interviewed.

      • illbringdabeers - Aug 17, 2012 at 9:20 AM

        Casual Racism? I’m simply stating an observation in the linguistics of one human being. You don’t even know what color my skin is, your simply assuming I’m white. Casual racism indeed gamma

      • stumblebum76 - Aug 17, 2012 at 12:02 PM

        “Why do people always assume that every athlete is stoopid and that if they didn’t have sports they’d be “flipping burgers?”

        Because, in most cases it’s perfectly true.

  2. danaking - Aug 17, 2012 at 8:35 AM

    What we don’t know here is if Rollins didn’t run hard, or if he didn’t run at all. History of leg injuries or not, blowout or not, a professional ballplayer should be able to make at least a toen effort for 90 feet.

    • danaking - Aug 17, 2012 at 8:35 AM

      oops. I meant “token” effort.

      • frenchysplatediscipline - Aug 17, 2012 at 9:16 AM

        more casual racism?

      • heyblueyoustink - Aug 17, 2012 at 9:20 AM

        Must be

  3. heyblueyoustink - Aug 17, 2012 at 8:38 AM

    I heard Darren Daulton state that he’s never seen something like this, and that he’d police it as a player rather than needing the manager do this sort of thing. After watching this version of the video, and considering his below par lead off approach and the fact that this sort of stuff pops up every other year or so, i’d be cool with the Phils cutting ties with him as they re-tool.

    • phillyphreak - Aug 17, 2012 at 9:21 AM

      Sorry, I stopped reading your post after the words “crossing broad.”

      • heyblueyoustink - Aug 17, 2012 at 10:31 AM

        Posted it for the video angle, not for the commentary.

    • anthonyverna - Aug 17, 2012 at 11:05 AM

      As a Phillies fan, I stopped reading after “Darren Daulton.”

      • dennisund - Aug 17, 2012 at 11:33 AM

        “Right on, Mike!”

  4. makeham98 - Aug 17, 2012 at 9:00 AM

    As mentioned above, this is the sort of non-story that talk radio hacks love to overhype. By now that idiot Cataldi has probably sent an online petition to the team demanding that they DFA him. And sign Cabrera, he does what it takes to win. . .

    Move on with your lives, there are enty of Tebow sound bytes to take out of context.

  5. hisgirlgotburrelled - Aug 17, 2012 at 9:09 AM

    This happened in the top of the 6th and the Marlins were winning 2-1. It wasn’t out of hand for another 2 innings.

    Sure, you’ll find a few guys every week that don’t bust it down the line. But that is not even close to what this was. Reyes backed up on a ball and it would have been a close play at 1st. But Jimmy was only half-way up the baseline when the ball reached 1st. He flat out lightly jogged for 45 feet and walked off. Rollins kills me because he’ll make unbelievable plays but then won’t run out a grounder. He was caught before not running out a pop up. He’s not a lazy player, it’s just that when he does make a mistake like this it is such a glaring mistake.

  6. dirtyharry1971 - Aug 17, 2012 at 9:10 AM

    so glad the phils resigned this guy

  7. phillyphreak - Aug 17, 2012 at 9:23 AM

    Everyone who piles on Rollins for a lack of hustle better remember their advice the next time he or she gives half effort at work or school.

    • spellingcops - Aug 17, 2012 at 9:32 AM

      Yep, that’s the exact same scenario. After all, I got paid millions to go to school. Phuck the Philly homerism.

      • phillyphreak - Aug 17, 2012 at 9:35 AM

        Perhaps if you were as talented in school as Rollins is at baseball you would have been paid to go to school. But of course, you’d always hustle right?

      • paperlions - Aug 17, 2012 at 9:40 AM

        Rollins jogging to 1st on a play in which he would have been out no matter how much effort he put into it is far closer to him doing the job he is paid for than the level of effort nearly anyone else puts forth in theirs.

        I know you guys think that if you were lucky enough to play pro baseball, that after 15 years, when losing 9-2 near the end of a lost season in which your team has already sold off 1/2 the starting lineup, you would bust it to 1B on every routine GB…..but you are wrong. You wouldn’t, just like you don’t give maximum effort in anything you consider a doomed-to-fail endeavor.

        Please, climb down off the high horses, you haven’t earned the right to be up there.

      • Francisco (FC) - Aug 17, 2012 at 9:49 AM

        Just one criticism PL, at the time in the 6th Inning the game was 2-1 and definitely still winnable, not saying Rollins is wrong but the situation was not a blowout game at the time of the incident.

      • paperlions - Aug 17, 2012 at 10:30 AM

        My bad, based comments on the general story, didn’t watch the game.

        I’d still like to see a show of hands of everyone that gives max effort when they know it won’t matter. People don’t do that in their personal lives (even in situations where it does matter), much less in their professional (or work) lives.

  8. paperlions - Aug 17, 2012 at 9:28 AM

    Ah yes, nothing like a bunch of people that spend part (or most) of their workday surfing the internet while getting paid and not doing their job criticizing others for their effort.

    • phillyphreak - Aug 17, 2012 at 9:32 AM


  9. greymares - Aug 17, 2012 at 9:29 AM

    I attended my first Philly game in 1949, i have watched parts or all of about 150 games a year since about 1960 this is (although talented) the most selfish player in the history of the Phillies. he has been reprimanded many times for lack of hustle. he always says he will never do it again, and always does. somehow someone will find this to be racist.

    • thefalcon123 - Aug 17, 2012 at 9:42 AM

      Remember a couple of years ago when Rollins won the MVP in large part because he was a great team leader who gave it his all?

      It’s amazing how much the perception of a players attitude changes based on his OPS.

      • greymares - Aug 17, 2012 at 9:52 AM

        no it has always been as goes Jimmy Rollins so go the Phillies. his 1 great year never changed that. M.V.P. .280 hitter ?

  10. thefalcon123 - Aug 17, 2012 at 9:40 AM

    I love me some Yadier Molina, but any Cardinals fan is used to this scene:

    1. Ground ball is hit to short
    2. Shortstop bobbles the ball
    3. The balls rolls ten feet away, shortstop scrambles after it.
    4. Shortstop finally picks up ball after roughly 20 minutes. Make through to first
    5. The first baseman makes the catch. First baseman look around confused, figuring it was a bang bang play.
    6. Camera pans out for wide shot. Molina is spotted 45 feet from first base. Everyone confused as to how it took him a full 7 minutes to get halfway to first base.

    I know he has bad legs and all, but seriously man, would a *little* bit of hustle kill you?

    It’s also possible that this is just his maximum running speed….

    • stlouis1baseball - Aug 17, 2012 at 10:32 AM

      Point taken Falcon. But I would also counter that you will see Yadi’s hustle when you go to sleep with him on 1st and he swipes 2nd. Yep…swipes 2nd. You will also see it when he goes from 1st to 3rd on occasion. But I do understand where you are coming from.
      Nothing more aggravating then to see your example play out and Yadi gets thrown out at 1st by half a step (as a result of not hustling down the line).
      But I think everday Catchers (in Yadi’s his case almost literally everyday) get a little reprieve.

    • paperlions - Aug 17, 2012 at 1:36 PM

      That drives me nuts too, but I think when Yadi tries to run fast, it is the same effect of stomping on the gas pedal of a Yugo. It make make more noise, but it doesn’t go any faster.

      • thefalcon123 - Aug 17, 2012 at 2:38 PM

        …which makes it all the more amazing that the guy is 11 for 13 in stolen bases this year. Imagine what he could do if he weren’t the 3rd slowest man alive*

        *Jose and Benjie rank #1 and #2 respectively.

  11. Francisco (FC) - Aug 17, 2012 at 9:59 AM

    I’ve watched the play, I dunno, it’s not like he did a Cliff Lee or anything like that. I guess he *might* have had a close play, but he’s probably still out. I think for most fans the problem is that guys like Utley make him look bad, that guys tries to run out *everything*. Which is also an extreme not to be emulated. I give Rollins a pass, the season is already over and it’s not like he hit it into the whole between 3rd and SS.

    OTOH it is true he has a history, and I think what we’re seeing here are the consequences. No matter if someone proves on some high tech simulation that Jimmy correctly assessed he had no chance whatsoever, his history will draw close scrutiny and condemnation.

  12. irishphilly87 - Aug 17, 2012 at 10:29 AM

    of course any situation that a black athlete gets HIMSELF involved in, the R word always has to come up. its pathetic and frankly embarassing that everything revolves around “racism” Can’t there ever be accountability for black players or does there always have to be an excuse for black fans to say they are purposely and maliciously being singled out for “racism.” Let me tell you something, i’m a 24 year old white male and I’D DIE to be a young black in today’s America. Every privledge in the world these days… The tables completely turned and i’m treated like the minority.

    • snowbirdgothic - Aug 17, 2012 at 10:45 AM



    • lifeform - Aug 17, 2012 at 12:14 PM

      Whoa – when did HBT turn into

  13. hoopmatch - Aug 17, 2012 at 10:49 AM

    It was funny to see Charlie and hustle in the same headline.

  14. anthonyverna - Aug 17, 2012 at 11:08 AM

    How’s the bullpen doing?

    • dennisund - Aug 17, 2012 at 11:38 AM

      They suck beause Jimmy doesn’t run out ground balls.

  15. phillyphan83 - Aug 17, 2012 at 2:23 PM

    I swear nbc needs to institute an IQ test to make a profile. When you’re trying to throw out a runner and you know he has speed, if he’s hustling it can force you to rush your throw, possibly causing an errant throw, thus resulting in a base hit, sometimes even a double(technically a single with an error)!! That’s called “manufacturing a hit”. Not gonna happen when you only run 60 feet. Do some of you not even watch baseball??

  16. xmatt0926x - Aug 17, 2012 at 2:43 PM

    Wow. I’ve quickly read the comments here and I can’t believe the even larger part of the context of the whole Jimmy didn;t hustle thing isn’t being mentioned. It wasn’t just the hustling down the line on a routine ground ball. I agree with everyone who feels that is being overblown. What nobody has mentioned in the failure to try and break up a double play soon after by Rollins. That was the play that really set everyone off and it’s being totally ignored by people who did not see the game. Maybe I’m wrong but it was the combination of both plays that got this ball rolling. it was a close game at that point and Rollins didn’t even try and break up a double play ball. He casually strolled off to the side and gave the 2nd baseman a clean look to throw to the 1st baseman. I think if everyone saw the two plays together they might see why this all came up. I agree it’s easy to say this all must be the typical coded racism where fans single out a black player for not running out a ball but the combination of both plays is what got Charlie’s attention. Half the story is missing here.

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