Comments on: Freddy Galvis’ 50-game suspension ends, but he’s still hurt

By: delawarephilliesfan

delawarephilliesfan — Fri, 17 Aug 2012 20:30:10 +0000

The reason you don’t hear a peep about Freddy Galvis is because…..he is Freddy Galvis!

I am sure if you pinned down the “WAR/Melky” people, they would agree that the Phillies should get the same punishment. But if you are accusing those people of inconsistency – consider this: Galvis WAR is 0.3. Using the same punishment people advocate for Melky, the Phillies would forfeit……zero wins.

Again, I do not agree with the “Take 4 wins from the Giants”, but you are not looking at this logically. No one is talking about Galvis because no one knows who he is!

By: Francisco (FC)

Francisco (FC) — Fri, 17 Aug 2012 20:24:02 +0000

But IMO, Melky and Galvis both benefited from PED’s

I’m pretty sure they did, I’m only pointing out that we have no reliable way to determine how much specifically they have benefitted and the numbers on which stats improved (i.e. how many pts on average, on how many extra hits, extra HR, extra SBs, less # of erros, etc), all we have is a general vague: yeah they benefitted, look at the average, or look at the line drive %. etc. So we have a sense of an effect but no way to take a tape measure to it. Yet we already had some people making up this bad idea of using a stat like WAR (Which has its own problems) to attempt to quantify the punishment.

You can’t quantify the punishment when you have no reliable way of quantifying the effect with precision.

By: Francisco (FC)

Francisco (FC) — Fri, 17 Aug 2012 20:18:14 +0000

I’m not saying it didn’t help him and in fact there’s a bunch of other buzz behind that story. It just didn’t generate the kind of advantage most people make a fuss about when discussing the effects of PEDs (Homeruns, Average, etc).

I just find it interesting how everyone is in an uproar over Melky but not a peep on Galvis. Because let’s face it, if you apply some kind of extra punishment on one player it has to apply for everybody. So whatever you come up with has to make sense for everybody not just for Melky.

By: delawarephilliesfan

delawarephilliesfan — Fri, 17 Aug 2012 19:54:28 +0000

Well, you haven’t followed this case closely then, or Galvis’ career closely. And in fairness, there wouldn’t be much reason to.

To the notion that PED’s didn’t help Galvis, we shall see, but the general consensus is that yes, they did help him. The line on Galvis was that he had no power – think Juan Pierre with no ability to bunt, and no speed. Even with Utley out, the feelign was that Galvis would still start the season in the minros. All of a sudden he comes to spring traning and is hitting frozen ropes. Trust me, Galvis was different this year.

I have not advocated any WAR adjustments for Melky, so I am not going into that. But IMO, Melky and Galvis both benefited from PED’s

By: smoothaswilkes

smoothaswilkes — Fri, 17 Aug 2012 19:51:45 +0000

The thing about those IQ tests is there is always a pretentious, know-it-all, thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room, sanctimonious d-bag that always wants with a new test. Then again, I wouldn’t have to see your drivel anymore.

By: Francisco (FC)

Francisco (FC) — Fri, 17 Aug 2012 19:43:46 +0000

The point you seem to be missing is that steroids are not popeye’s spinach. We have little concrete data on exactly how much these drugs can improve a player’s game, in what areas, and in what quantity. Yet we already have stupid suggestions that call for docking the Giants a number of wins based on Melky’s WAR rating when we have no reliable way to quantify the effect of steroids on his stats. After Freddy was suspended I didn’t hear anybody saying the Phillies should be charged an extra number of fielding errors because of Galvis’s positive test.

By: phillyphan83

phillyphan83 — Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:54:48 +0000

they took different stuff you geniuses. plus, if you or I take some steroids or testosterone, its not gonna make us an MLB all-star. you have to have an already good all-around skill set to reach that level. I’m sorry but no amount or type of PEDs is gonna make Freddy Galvis an all-star. I swear, NBC needs to start making people pass an IQ test in order to make a profile.

By: drunkenhooliganism

drunkenhooliganism — Fri, 17 Aug 2012 16:16:17 +0000

His OPS is not good, but it’s about double Michael Martinez.

Martinez’s sole purpose on the roster is to make Jimmy Rollins a fan favorite.

By: phillyphreak

phillyphreak — Fri, 17 Aug 2012 16:08:51 +0000

Even better is that Melky isn’t even hitting for power- the thing that PEDs are always cited as helping the most.

By: Francisco (FC)

Francisco (FC) — Fri, 17 Aug 2012 16:07:34 +0000

I am amused at how Melky’s PED suspension and his performance is hailed as positive proof at how dramatic PEDs change the game and when you get guys like Galvis suspended for PEDs with his AWFUL production somehow this just flys under the radar (guess he got bad stuff).

By: heyblueyoustink

heyblueyoustink — Fri, 17 Aug 2012 15:57:42 +0000

He should have gotten with Melky’s dealer, better stuff apparently, blue sky quality.