Comments on: MLB overrules the hit that broke up Jeremy Guthrie’s no-hitter

By: tuloisgod

tuloisgod — Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:04:14 +0000

You know, if MLB had overturned the 14 hits (and five runs) that Guthrie gave up to the Diamondbacks on June 23 when he was with the Rockies, he would have had a no-hitter through four innings, when he reached the inane 75-pitch limit imposed on starters by the Rockies.

By: Francisco (FC)

Francisco (FC) — Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:37:51 +0000

I can probably find that out for you, I have a bona-fide Galarraga Number of 2

By: hisgirlgotburrelled

hisgirlgotburrelled — Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:01:54 +0000

I thought this was a throwing error right away. He had 5 seconds to throw out Konerko. No bad hops, no diving or jumping.

By: uwsptke

uwsptke — Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:44:21 +0000

No idea why that comment has so many thumbs down. He threw a one-hit shutout, with the lone hit coming when CC bobbled a comebacker and threw just late. Had he fielded it cleanly, the runner would be out but the scorekeeper refused to change (it happened early in the game if memory serves me right). But MLB wasn’t going to change it after the fact either.

I can say with some certainty that MLB wouldn’t touch this ruling if Guthrie hadn’t allowed the clean singles later in the game.

By: tfbuckfutter

tfbuckfutter — Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:25:12 +0000

Exactly what ThatGuy said.

By: dan1111

dan1111 — Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:38:20 +0000

I think the MLB should completely get out of this business of changing rulings after the fact. Yes, the scoring may be imperfect, but changing rulings later creates too many problems.

What if the first batter of the game got a “hit” on a play that was clearly an error, then the pitcher gave up no more hits the rest of the way? For consistency, MLB should change this too–yet this doesn’t fit most peoples’ idea of a no-hitter. It would be a an accomplishment that the pitcher wasn’t even aware of at the time; he would face none of the pressure of the real thing.

What if an obvious hit was ruled an error, preserving a no-hitter? Again, consistency would require you to change this as well. But no one would be able to stomach taking an accomplishment away after the fact, after all of the celebrations.

This is all subjective anyway. It is better to just live with imperfect scoring.

By: ThatGuy

ThatGuy — Thu, 23 Aug 2012 05:10:12 +0000

But he still would have been in the Stretch with one on. It wasnt changed to an out, Konerko still got on base. It was changed to an error.

By: nothanksimdriving123

nothanksimdriving123 — Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:52:00 +0000

However Glenn, the commissioner could have stepped in and in the interest of fairness, reversed the admittedly bad call on what should have been the game’s final out. Some people fretted it would have started an avalanche of demands for other reversals, but this case was unique in MLB history and would have set a precedent only in the very unlikely event of another bad call on the 27th out of a perfect game.

By: dwrek5

dwrek5 — Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:04:48 +0000

Don’t be difficult. Is it easier to pitch from the wind up and no one on or from the stretch with a guy on?

By: vallewho

vallewho — Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:10:36 +0000

Leave it to MLB to do things backwards.
Let us NOT correct obvious and meaningful plays, some of historic significance, but let’s go and correct a play that is meaningless and no one remembers. Most be in the best interest of the game…

By: bigleagues

bigleagues — Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:11:23 +0000

You might be right, but I'm just glad they did something to set an example for how badly some official scoring is done these days. I said it under Matthew's original post . . . that play was, by definition, a routine play and Escobar deserved an Error. Somewhere, however, Armando Galarraga is really pissed off.

By: tfbuckfutter

tfbuckfutter — Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:33:52 +0000

So….he would have tried to get the batters out if it was a no-hitter?

By: tfbuckfutter

tfbuckfutter — Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:29:29 +0000

Ray Zalinski says it’s good.

By: stabonerichard

stabonerichard — Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:27:36 +0000

Yes, someone had to say it. Each event/AB does not happen in a vacuum.

By: royalsfaninfargo

royalsfaninfargo — Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:01:50 +0000

Guthrie was pitching great and when the call was made on that play you could feel the air leave the stadium through the tv. What a shame.

By: jkcalhoun

jkcalhoun — Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:48:11 +0000

Ernie Koob thinks your guarantee is null and void.

By: randygnyc

randygnyc — Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:35:58 +0000

Guthries approach might have been very different had he still been throwing the no no in the 8th.

By: sabatimus

sabatimus — Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:20:20 +0000

I guarantee you MLB wouldn’t have touched this if Guthrie hadn’t given up a bona fide hit later in the game.

By: shaggytoodle

shaggytoodle — Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:14:19 +0000

This reminds me that CC Sabathia would have had a no hitter while he was in Milwaukee if the score keeper wasn’t so stubborn about changing the scoring decision of a hit to an error.

By: Glenn

Glenn — Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:01:50 +0000

I thought the same thing but this case is a hit or error scoring call, which can be changed after the fact. the other is an umpires call, which cannot be changed after a game is over.

By: sictransitchris

sictransitchris — Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:59:12 +0000

Armando Galarraga shakes his head in confusion.