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Now that it’s final, what should we make of the Red Sox-Dodgers mega deal?

Aug 25, 2012, 4:00 PM EDT

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I’m still shaking my head at the Dodgers-Red Sox deal, which is now finalized. Among the things that wouldn’t have made sense to me if you told me about them this time yesterday:

  • I’m surprised that the Dodgers — whose owners just paid $2 billion for that team — took on $271 million in financial obligations and actually gave up real talent to boot.
  • Though I understand the Red Sox wanting to get rid of Beckett and Crawford, I’m surprised they actually did it. There has seemed to be so little consistency and coherence in that front office over the past two years I’m frankly shocked that a consensus to start over, more or less, was reached.
  • Heck, I’m surprised that someone decided that the deal had to include Nick Punto. Like, on that call, at some point, either Ned Colletti insisted that Nick Punto was a must-have or Ben Cherington decided that Punto and his $450K or so that he’s owed for the rest of the season had to be unloaded too.

But expectations flummoxed or not, it did happen, and it’s hard to see how this isn’t a win for the Red Sox. Albeit maybe not as big a win as some folks are making it out to be.

The winning part: A cleansing purge of Josh Beckett, who no one liked anymore and who seems to be a shadow of his former self. A liberating purge of Carl Crawford‘s contract which, while it seemed like an overpay when it was signed before the 2011 season, has quickly turned into an all-out albatross given two years of injury and the realization that, no, he’s not gonna age as well as some thought.

And, of course, the acquisition of some young, promising players in Rubby De La Rosa, who — even if we should never put too much hope in any one pitching prospect — could be an ace one day, and Jerry Sands who may find Fenway to his liking and should have a greater chance to play on these new-look Sox. Throwing in Ivan DeJesus as depth and Allen Webster who, while maybe a year or two away, could definitely feature in the Sox rotation one day, and you have a lot of pieces for the next good Red Sox team. I don’t think James Loney is worth mentioning, but I’m sure he’s a nice fellow.

But let’s temper our expectations. Upside or not, none of the pieces coming back is a sure thing. De La Rosa could struggle with command as so many post-Tommy John pitchers do. Sands has been a creation of the Pacific Coast League so far, so he’ll have to prove himself.  But the biggest place to temper expectations should come in the financial relief the Red Sox received. Because while, sure, it’s awesome to have $50 million+ free a year going forward, it’s not like there’s a never-ending supply of talent to spend it on.

Teams are locking up young talent so early these days, leaving far fewer blue chippers to actually hit the market.  Matthew will take a look at this in greater depth later, but let’s quickly look at who’s available this offseason: Josh Hamilton. Zack Greinke. Robinson Cano. Jhonny Peralta. David Wright. Michael Bourn. Only two of them — Cano and Wright — are unequivocal game-changers, and those two are highly unlikely to actually be available when it’s all said and done. UPDATE: Er, scratch that. I forgot that Cano and Wright have team options, so that makes it worse. The other free agents have question marks or aren’t slam dunks. They’re all basically Carl Crawford, right? And the Sox are clearly repudiating the idea of signing the Carl Crawfords of the world right now.

So, you take that $50 million and plow it into player development, right? Well, some of it. The new collective bargaining agreement prohibits teams from doing that with any sort of gusto. Between the draft and international signings you can only spend a fraction of that money. So no, you can’t use that to really go crazy on either the free agency market or player development. At least not all at once.

Put differently: the Red Sox are retrenching for the long-haul, and the days of them being somehow exempt from the success cycle that every other team but the Yankees is subject to are over.  There’s a lot of talent on this team and a lot more flexibility now, but if you overhear any Red Sox fan saying, thank god, now the team can go out and sign some real free agents, you should feel free to ignore them.  Because there’s a better chance that the biggest short term upside of this deal for Boston are increased profit margins due to decreased labor costs as opposed to some quicky-re-load of a rebuild.  That doesn’t make it a bad deal for them — I think Boston won this trade — but it’s not like there isn’t risk about it all and it’s not like there aren’t some rough days still ahead.

Turning to the Dodgers: man, where is all of this money coming from?  I know the new ownership is flush with cash and/or credit — how can you pay $2 billion for the team if you’re not? — but they also just jacked their payroll up to the $190 million range for 2013. I know they have a new TV deal in the offing and I know the fans are coming back to Dodger Stadium now that Frank McCourt is gone, but this is not quite the money-printing market that, say, New York is. And even the Yankees have pushed their payroll down in recent years.

But the finances of it all are between Mark Walter, Magic Johnson, their silent partners and their gods. What’s it mean for the baseball side?  An improvement, sure, but not a dramatic one, necessarily. And, like Boston, there’s risk here, albeit risk of a different kind.

Carl Crawford won’t play this year. Josh Beckett and Adrian Gonzalez have each had down years, though Gonzalez has had a much better second half. Even assuming, however, that Gonzalez and Beckett suddenly take on vintage form, there are only 36 games left to play and they’re in a three-game hole in the west and a 1.5 game hole in the wild card. Sure, it’s possible that their addition pushes the Dodgers past San Francisco and/or the other wild card contenders, but it would take a hell of a month or so from them to do it.

The long-term is murkier. I feel like Adrian Gonzalez has several good years left in him and he may find himself rejuvenated to be back in the NL (and in his homeland of Southern California). Beckett and Crawford, however, are much shakier bets.

It’s hard to remember that Beckett is only a year removed from a season in which he put up a 2.89 ERA and a WHIP of 1.026, but that’s one year surrounded by two in which he looks like any old palooka, not the ace he once was. Nothing about him at this point suggests a pitcher who is going to age particularly well — Josh, it’s called a treadmill, please hit it — but it could happen. Crawford had Tommy John surgery just this week. I really have no idea what he’s going to be like going forward. Speed ages well and, assuming his arm isn’t toast after all of this, his defense will be a bigger plus in L.A. than it was in Boston. He could have a couple of All-Star years left in him or he could turn into Roberto Kelly.

The money here is the ultimate arbiter. If the Dodgers are like every other team in the history of baseball, they will not be able to absorb three gigantic contracts which correspond with only one elite player. There just is no way to eat that much cash and still field a consistently competitive team.  If, however, Beckett and Crawford find the fountain of youth, or if the Dodgers’ brass really has tapped into some crazy new revenue that we’re really not appreciating right now, it could all work out.

Going back and reading all of that it sounds like a bunch of negativity. I really don’t mean it to be. This deal is as exciting as all hell. It’s one of the biggest trades in baseball history, really, in terms of both big names and cash.  And with a trade so big it’s understandable that there are downsides for each side. No one ever completes a monster deal without some sort of risk or misgiving because, at the highest levels of business sophistication, no one truly gets suckered.

But on balance, if I had to say who won this one, I’d say it’s the Red Sox. Mostly because they now have far, far less to lose.

  1. proudlycanadian - Aug 25, 2012 at 4:07 PM

    1) A fool and his money are soon parted.
    2) The Red Sox managed to one up the Blue Jays trade of Vernon Wells
    3) The value of money in LA is not the same as the value of money in the rest of North America.

    • bigleagues - Aug 25, 2012 at 4:18 PM

      – That Gonzo in Boston was never really part of God’s Plan.

      • sabatimus - Aug 25, 2012 at 8:52 PM

        He’s the only person in the trade I’m sorry to see go. The rest I’m just fine with, particularly given the MASSIVE $$$$ the Dodgers fronted.

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Aug 25, 2012 at 4:19 PM

      I don’t see how this compares to Vernon Wells. The Dodgers should actually be quite a bit better for acquiring these guys, even if they are overpays. I can’t help but wonder if the Boston medical staff might be partly to blame for some of the underperformance/injuries these guys have had. Time will tell.

      • proudlycanadian - Aug 25, 2012 at 4:59 PM

        They were both big fat salary dumps.

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Aug 25, 2012 at 5:54 PM

        But in the Angel’s case, they did not seem to know that. The Dodgers are actually getting back useable pieces. And not giving up a near MVP candidate to get them

      • proudlycanadian - Aug 25, 2012 at 6:39 PM

        The Angels thought that they got a player in Wells who fit their needs. I would be surprised if more than 1 of the highly paid players going to the Dodgers actually plays well for them.

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Aug 25, 2012 at 11:24 PM

        But I suppose that was really the difference: the Angels were the ONLY people, seemingly on Earth, who thought Wells would be useful. I think there is little doubt about AGon’s value, and Crawford has had 2 injury riddled years (misdiagnosis seemingly being the main problem). Beckett might even have something left, especially by NL West standards.

        Wells was toast and everyone knew it.

  2. churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Aug 25, 2012 at 4:08 PM

    Only two of them — Cano and Wright — are unequivocal game-changers, and those two are highly unlikely to actually be available when it’s all said and done

    Considering they both have team options for next year at reasonable salaries, they won’t be available on the FA market.

  3. crispybasil - Aug 25, 2012 at 4:15 PM

    Have to hand it to Boston’s FO for pulling this off. I’m hoping it signals a return to the more even-keeled approach that helped them build a great team a few years ago.

  4. iranuke - Aug 25, 2012 at 4:15 PM

    My guess is that the four players going to LA were the major players in the Bobby Valentine revolt.

    • baseballisboring - Aug 25, 2012 at 4:50 PM

      I hear Nick Punto had a lot of pull in the clubhouse.

      • bigleagues - Aug 26, 2012 at 5:26 AM

        Dude’s Twitter handle is ShredderPunto . . . how could he not have pull?!

  5. pftcensorssuck - Aug 25, 2012 at 4:16 PM

    As a baseball fan, I can see little upside to this trade for the Dodgers; as a life-long Red Sox fand, I say “Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!”

    There is NO downside to this for Boston at all. Beckett is done, toast, fini. He’s lost more than his motivation, he’s lost his SKILL, and that ain’t coming back. Crawford turned out to be injury prone, and not nearly the player they thought he was getting, even when he was healthy. Gonzalez had some talent, but it wasn’t consistent, and he was starting to fall under the influence of the Beckett/Lackey/Lester cancer by allowing Kelly “forever known for being a rat” Shoppach to use his cellphone to set up that “kill Bobby Valentine” meeting that everyone says didn’t exist.

    How the Red Sox snookered the Dodgers into paying so much to unload these cancerous stiffs, is beyond me.

    The best part is that it DOESN’T MATTER if any of the players Boston got in return ever accomplish a THING with the Red Sox. Each of them is now a much smaller piece to have to unload in the future, either by trading them or eating those contracts!!!!

    Waaaa Hooooooo!!!!!!!! The Sox finally showed some stones, and now they have put the rest of these stiffs on notice: Shut up and produce, or ELSE!!!!!

    • Charles Gates - Aug 25, 2012 at 4:37 PM

      I generally agree with what you’re saying. Just wondering how you’re gonna feel when the Sox are chasing .500 next year (Unless, of course, they go free agent wacky on Hamilton, Grienke et al and U turn from what it looks like they’re doing here).

      • pftcensorssuck - Aug 25, 2012 at 7:54 PM

        “Just wondering how you’re gonna feel when the Sox are chasing .500 next year”

        Yeah, it’s not like they were aleady doing that THIS year, with those overpaid stiffs, right???

      • mickeylolich1968 - Aug 25, 2012 at 10:39 PM

        I would prefer a fourth place team, with a fourth place payroll, that shoes heart and stones.

    • ramrene - Aug 25, 2012 at 5:18 PM

      You Boston fans are a bunch of f*’n retards.

      You’re going to see just what a “change of scenery” can do for a player when he’s fed up with the bullsh*t of a crappy situation.

      Your organization is a f*d up mess. NOBODY knows what’s going on because everybody’s afraid to get blamed. There’s no accountability there and it’s spilled over into the club house and onto the field.

      Your press is NY wannabee’s who want to be know for “pressing” on the players. News flash, you’re not Philadelphia and you’re not New York. In LA, the players will be able to play without 1000 questions of what you ate and why’d you play golf on your day off?

      We offer a lot less pressure so players can just play ball.

      Just ask the Miami crybabies all about how they said the same things about Hanley Ramirez after that trade, “Good riddence”… bla… bla… bla… and all Ramirez has done is been revitalized and is having fun playing again and his stats with us are proving it.

      Gonzales can focus on playing again and not worry about all the stupid Beantown bullsh*t. Crawford needed some surgeries on his wrist and now his recent Tommy John surgery. Well, he’s going to be allowed to recover at a reasonable pace and won’t have to worry about being rushed back and pressed into service because, “we need you”. Well, in LA we don’t need him, he can come back when he’s ready and can play without being under the microscope.

      And as for Beckett, he may have been your “Ace” but over here he’s going to be a #4. I think he’ll be fine and if he can hit that so called “treadmill” and regain his odd number year form pitching from the 4-hole well, how many team’s #4 pitchers are capable of pitching like the team’s #1?

      Yes, you got some good pieces from us and clearly cash flexibility. De La Rosa has filthy/nasty stuff and can become an Ace himself. Sands has loads of power and will be denting that POS wall you’re all so in love with. If given the chance he’ll be your new 1B. Webster projects to a middle of the rotation pitcher but is maybe 2-years out and Loney will be a free agent at the end of the season which you’ll let walk.

      You got some good pieces but you gave up a hell of a lot more talent than we gave you. The problem is that stench from your city sucked the life out them. Now, with the oxygen that our palm trees provide they”ll be able to breath again.

      You guys got bent over and we were only too happy to oblige.

      Thanks Bean Town…. you friggin’ retards!

      • drewsylvania - Aug 25, 2012 at 5:25 PM

        Classy. ITG hiding behind a keyboard.

      • hockeyflow33 - Aug 25, 2012 at 5:53 PM

        You are aware that all these players signed to be here in Boston right?

      • cornfedhonky - Aug 25, 2012 at 5:59 PM

        Sadly, a decent take on the entire trade tainted by your use of the word “retards.” It makes it more than a little difficult for a person to read what you’re putting out there and take it halfway seriously when you denigrate yourself as such. It shows a real lack of intelligence and class. As a “representative” of L.A., I should think that the remainder of the fan base here would be ashamed to have you as their voice. Better luck next time.

      • ramrene - Aug 25, 2012 at 6:06 PM

        Yeah, I’m aware that all these players signed to be in Boston. Just like I’m aware that you broke them. Playing for that organization is like a prison sentence and they’re only too happy to get the hell out of town.

        Let’s just watch and see how they do with a change of scenery and a guy like Mattingley giving them some breathing room and a press that’s more interested in asking them about their on field performance instead of crucifying them for what they do in their private life on their days off.

        Your organization has the players wound up so tight they can’t get a greased bb up their holes and your press likes to smash them and keep the pressure up.

        Hey, I guess I should thank you because if you guys didn’t screw everything up we’d never have a chance bring in this much talent all in one transaction… so Thanks!

        By this time next year you’ll fully understand what I’m saying. You’ll be saying things like, “yeah, well, they didn’t do that here”… no crap they didn’t. They didn’t want to, they weren’t motivated to. You guys had race horses and you had them plow fields.

        Gotta love Boston… Only in America!

      • ramrene - Aug 25, 2012 at 6:11 PM

        Oh I’m sorry, cornfed.

        I guess because I didn’t use tact in my response all my points are become invalid right?

        I don’t think so. The points are the truth and stand on their own. Boston likes to think itself a blue collar town, a lunch pale, punch in and punch out town. Well, I just called it like I see it. They’re tough, they can take it.

      • forsch31 - Aug 25, 2012 at 6:29 PM

        >>>”I guess because I didn’t use tact in my response all my points are become invalid right?”

        Well, yes…that’s the way it works. Nobody here knows you, not even your real name. So, you’re being judged not only on your words, but how you deliver them. And when you show a complete lack of tact, you complete devalue yourself and whatever you’re saying. If you act like garbage, you are garbage and will be treated accordingly.

      • mkd - Aug 25, 2012 at 6:41 PM

        Your utter lack of tact doesn’t make your points invalid it just makes your voice irrelevant.

      • pftcensorssuck - Aug 25, 2012 at 7:56 PM

        You seem to overlook the fact that these “fed up” players CREATED this “bullsh*t of a crappy situation”, moron.

        The Sox gave them the fat contracts they wanted. They tanked.

        The Sox fired the manager they no longer wanted to play for. They tanked.

        This year, they didn’t like the NEW manager, so the Sox cut his balls off. They tanked.

      • sabatimus - Aug 25, 2012 at 8:51 PM

        I got to the end of the first sentence. I am now going to thumb-down every comment you make.

      • ramrene - Aug 25, 2012 at 10:36 PM

        Hey, did you Boston cry babies notice that Adrian Gonzales hit a 3-run homer in his first Dodger at bat?

        I’m sure some clean air, a manager guys like to play for, a front office that isn’t all up in their player’s business, and a press that isn’t out to make a name for themselves by tearing people down sure does wonders huh?

        The way things are going Beckett will throw a 4-hit shutout Monday night.

        Thank you Boston, you guys sure do know your baseball!

        Give us a call when you’re done messing with Pedroia. We’ll take your phone calls.

      • mickeylolich1968 - Aug 25, 2012 at 10:54 PM

        As the red sox went down the tubes posts from sox fans were consistently humorous.
        A bad season and we still had fun with it. It may have been smart a**, sarcastic fun, but it was fun never the less. Let’s see you write back and try to get a laugh, if you are intelligent enough.

      • ramrene - Aug 26, 2012 at 12:00 AM

        Hey mickey,

        For anyone not living in Boston humor is implicit in how a professional organization like the Red Sox could create such an environment so tense and screwed up from top to bottom that players the like of Gonzales, Beckett, and Crawford would want to get the heck out of there as fast as they could.

        Did you actually read the jest of the postings of this article? The Boston fans seem to think they bent over the Dodgers. They’re making comments like, “the Dodgers got violated” and that they “lost their minds” and that they’re going to “send Uncle Kasten a thank you”.

        Boston “toughness” screwed with these players so much that they lost the desire to compete hard for the organization. They reaped what they sewed and now they dumped players still in their primes. They think they’re through because they couldn’t turn them around and recover them.

        Well, the funny thing will be watching them find their games again and then watching the Sox fans try to explain how the Dodgers could do it but they couldn’t, “must be luck”.

        Clean up your organization. Blow out whoever is in your front office and is responsible for creating your current CYA atmosphere.

        You want humor? That’s all you Sox fans have left and are clutching to after the miserable season you’re having. You created your own monster of a situation so sure, all you think you can do is laugh about it.

        How about fixing your problems, then you’ll have something to laugh about.

        But thanks again for all your “has beens” and “over the hills” and “salary sink holes”. One man’s trash is another man’s treasures.

        Thank you Boston!

      • infectorman - Aug 27, 2012 at 9:30 AM

        Fat, dumb and advertising your ignorance is now way to go through life son…

  6. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Aug 25, 2012 at 4:16 PM

    Crawford basically had 2 years off, and fixed some broken stuff, so perhaps he will come back rejuvenated. His defense will also be more of an asset in Chavez Ravine than it was on the postage stamp of LF in Fenway.

    A-Gon was terrible for Boston in that he seemed uncomfortable with the attention and bad at dealing with the press. Constantly whining, and about stuff that shouldn’t really bug him (too many ESPN sunday nights? Puh-leese). Perhaps the relative obscurity of the NL West will help.

    Beckett is a fat toad, but he is a proud fat toad. Perhaps he will feel disrespected (God I hate that as a verb) enough to, you know, put in adequate conditioning work and try to make something of himself. He will be pitching in a lot of forgiving parks out west too.

    These contracts are likely over-payments for these guys, but there is not a particularly strong crop of free agents coming up, so it seems like a decent risk for the Dodgers. At the very least it is exciting to see them looking like a formidable team and a proud franchise again.

  7. xmatt0926x - Aug 25, 2012 at 4:16 PM

    I guess Shane Victorino can cancel those “I wanna be a Dodger for the rest of my career” thoughts he had a week ago.

  8. pilonflats - Aug 25, 2012 at 4:17 PM

    The Dodgers got violated. End of story.

    • sabatimus - Aug 25, 2012 at 8:54 PM

      Yep, welcome to the glories of autoeroticism.

  9. 18thstreet - Aug 25, 2012 at 4:17 PM

    The Dodgers have lost their minds. This is crazy. CRAZY.

    • bigleagues - Aug 25, 2012 at 4:21 PM

      I, for one, am sending our newly discovered rich Uncle Kasten a nice thank you card.

      I think that’s the least a red sox fan could do. Even better is if RedSox fams all chipped in and put a full page thank you to the Dodgers in the LA TImes.

      • 18thstreet - Aug 25, 2012 at 7:50 PM

        That would be the greatest thing we’ve done as fans since the “Win It For” thread on SOSH.

    • mickeylolich1968 - Aug 25, 2012 at 10:59 PM

      speaking of crazy… how about a deal for Alfredo Aceves while we are on a roll!

  10. hokiegajanisgod - Aug 25, 2012 at 4:18 PM

    All hail the new genius, Ben Cherington: 2012 GM of the year!

    In one fell swoop he unloaded a quarter BILLION dollars worth of awful Theo Epstein contracts (well, the Gonzalez deal wasn’t too bad; it was clear he wasn’t comfortable in the Boston market), without taking on bad deals AND getting decent prospects in return (no more Youkilis type trades ever again)

    The Red Sox can now to start rebuilding with youth while the Yankees will be saddled with increasingly aging players with terrible contracts (i.e., A Rod, Jeter, etc..)

  11. xmatt0926x - Aug 25, 2012 at 4:22 PM

    Ohh…and Boston won this deal hands down. It’s not even friggin close. They dump hundreds of millions AND get a couple nice pitching prospects. Their only thought now is what free agents can we pluck next season with our freed up cash. What did the Dodgers get? A shell in Beckett, a nice outfielder in crawford being paid twice what he’s worth and a very good first baseman who’s power numbers have been shrinking. People are acting like this sets up the Dodgers for dominance. I don’t see it.

    • ptfu - Aug 25, 2012 at 4:49 PM

      I agree that the Red Sox “won” the trade. That doesn’t mean that the Dodgers didn’t improve on the field.

      On his worst day, Adrian Gonzalez is a million times better than James Loney, Juan Rivera, or whatever other stiffs the Dodgers were running out there at 1B. And Gonzalez has been having a nice second half. Remove scrubs + add star = massive bump in 1B production.

      Plus as Craig and others have noted, Gonzalez’ family is from San Diego & Tijuana–not so far away. Maybe some home cookin’ will turn a good second half into an epic one. Gonzalez is definitely familiar with the NL West so I expect a minimal adjustment period if any.

      With Melky out of SF, and Gonzalez into LA, that 3 game lead doesn’t look as big. Yeah, there’s only a month of regular season ball left, but stranger things have happened.

      As for Crawford, he could combine with Matt Kemp and Andre Ethier next season to form one of baseball’s best outfields. Or Ethier could regress, Crawford could get hurt again, and Kemp could return to being a head case. Who knows.

      As for Beckett, yeah, he may not be much better than Fat Joe or whoever the Dodgers’ #5 starter is. Whatever. If he ever does hit the treadmill, and Gonzalez and Crawford blossom, look out–the Dodgers could be scary good for a few years.

      • hokiegajanisgod - Aug 25, 2012 at 5:23 PM

        As a life-long Red Sox fan, I truly hope that Gonzo, Crawford and Beckett all have successful Dodger careers.

        Its en vogue to hate on Beckett in Boston, but he was a quality front end pitcher for us for years.

        Crawford never had a chance once to a-hole Boston media decided to hate on him because of his contract.

        This is a good deal for both clubs. Each team got exactly what they wanted.

      • 18thstreet - Aug 25, 2012 at 7:51 PM

        THumbs up for the classy comment, even though it is transparently not a good deal for both clubs.

      • brianprocida - Aug 26, 2012 at 7:56 PM

        The only thing that could have made yours a better post would have been “Theres only a month of regular season ball left, but stranger things have happened. JUST ASK THE 2011 RED SOX.”

  12. lucidsportsfan - Aug 25, 2012 at 4:24 PM

    I may be the only Sox fan who doesn’t like this deal. Some numbers show their lack of success this year can be attributed to a lot of bad luck:

    • hokiegajanisgod - Aug 25, 2012 at 4:35 PM

      Good point you make, but not one of the players traded has come close to playing at the level in which they are being paid, and all are 30+.

      Boston has a slew of very good minor leaguers ready to make the jump to the bigs very soon as well.

      Hate to see a class act like Gonzalez go, but to clear the decks of a quarter billion in overpriced contracts makes this trade a no-brainer for the Sox.

      • hockeyflow33 - Aug 25, 2012 at 5:56 PM

        Class act? He did nothing but whine the entire time he was here. I’ve never seen a supposed great hitter have so few clutch hits

      • sabatimus - Aug 25, 2012 at 8:56 PM

        hockeyflow, you know nothing about Gonzalez.

      • hockeyflow33 - Aug 26, 2012 at 4:17 PM

        false, I watched him shrink during crunch time last year just like he did in San Diego.

    • hockeyflow33 - Aug 25, 2012 at 5:58 PM

      No, there’s lots of pink hats who don’t like it. You don’t have to worry though, I’m sure they’ll still play sweet caroline for you

  13. lardin - Aug 25, 2012 at 4:40 PM

    Who was the best player in the deal and who got him? That’s who won the trade. Sox fans will soon learn how much this ownership group cares about winning in the next few offseasons by whether or not they spend money and try to field a winning team or pocket the money and focus more on Liverpool.

    • drewsylvania - Aug 25, 2012 at 5:59 PM

      “Who was the best player in the deal and who got him?” is only the be-all, end-all in fantasy.

    • hockeyflow33 - Aug 26, 2012 at 4:19 PM

      spending money has never been a problem here, spending it wisely has

  14. legacybroken - Aug 25, 2012 at 4:42 PM

    Pedroia, Lester, Lackey, Shoppach, Bobby V, Luchino etc are still there so chaos will continue to reign in Boston. They may have shed some albatrosses but that team is still rife with problems that will continue to manifest.

    • hokiegajanisgod - Aug 25, 2012 at 5:25 PM

      Uh, Shoppach got traded to the Mets last week.

      Don’t allow your hate to cloud reality.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Aug 25, 2012 at 5:33 PM

      I think Pedroia has gotten a bad rap this year. Hard to tell if Lester will ever be the same pitcher he was a few years ago, but I’m hopeful. Lackey…no comment. Shoppach is in New York now. Bobby V. will probably not last past this year.

      All in all I’d say things are certainly looking up for the future of this team.

      • manchestermiracle - Aug 25, 2012 at 11:09 PM

        Ain’t got nowhere TO go but up…..

  15. philyeagles5 - Aug 25, 2012 at 5:09 PM

    dont mess with dejesus

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Aug 25, 2012 at 5:48 PM

      Eight year olds, dude.

  16. egb234 - Aug 25, 2012 at 5:17 PM

    Red Sox fans are stoked about the trade. I wonder how long that will last.

    These are the same fans that loved, no hated, no loved, no hated Buckner, Nomar, Pedro, Manny, Ortiz, Ellsbury, Papelbon, Lester, Bucholtz, Beckett, Francona, Theo, etc., etc., etc.

    Go Sawx!

    • 18thstreet - Aug 25, 2012 at 7:53 PM

      I never hated Buckner.

      • egb234 - Aug 25, 2012 at 8:19 PM

        I guess 11/12 ain’t bad.

      • 18thstreet - Aug 26, 2012 at 9:35 AM

        My fandom has always been a combination of love and hate. I called out Buckner, specifically, because I never blamed him for 1986. (I’ve never hated a lot of the people on your list, but that’s beside the point.)

        When you pay attention, there’s going to be moments that your favorites drive you crazy. This is an overstatement, but it’s like fighting with your own family. They can disappoint you, but you still love them.

        I’d be cautious to say how Red Sox Nation, as a whole, feels about any player or person. Me, I try VERY hard not to get angry at anyone who was part of the 2004 or 2007 teams, because I always promised myself that I would love anyone who won a championship for the Boston Red Sox. Even Renteria.

  17. townballblog - Aug 25, 2012 at 5:40 PM

    Ben Cherrington just gone done saved his job.

    • bigleagues - Aug 26, 2012 at 4:53 AM

      Not that it was in any sort of imminent danger.

      • townballblog - Aug 26, 2012 at 1:50 PM

        True, not necesseraly. However, he didn’t buy or sell at the trade deadline so it would’ve looked really bad in the off-season.

      • bigleagues - Aug 26, 2012 at 5:18 PM

        Sometimes you just have to wait for the right deal to present itself :-)

        Truth be told, according to Michael Silverman’s sources anyway, that the Dodgers were interested in acquiring Beckett at the trading deadline, but the Sox wanted more than they were prepared to give at that point. Then at the owners meetings a few weeks ago Stan Kasten sought out John Henry and told him then, point blank that they were interested in Gonzalez and would take on Beckett and Crawford AND nearly all of the money that was due to them.

        If they made an irrational deal at the deadline simply to appease the unrest among fans, then they may have blown up an opportunity for this historic and franchise changing deal.

        As Obi Wan preached: patience.

      • townballblog - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:14 PM

        Good stuff. I like! Though your quoting Star Wars and that’s unfair, makes my opinion biased. :)

  18. Francisco (FC) - Aug 25, 2012 at 5:45 PM

    Somewhere Ruben is thinking: Dammit I could have suckered LA into taking MY vastly overpaid contracts.

    • Kevin S. - Aug 25, 2012 at 10:15 PM

      Somewhere Ruben is thinking: Dammit I could have taken Boston’s vastly overpaid contracts off their hands instead.

  19. jdd428 - Aug 25, 2012 at 5:56 PM

    All these people calling this a win for Boston are out of their minds. The best player in this deal by far is Gonzalez and he’s under contract for a long time, so the Dodgers get to pair him with Kemp for several seasons to come – not just 36 games. Sure, it may be a down year for him – but he was still leading the Red Sox in average, OPS and RBIs. If you trade away your leader in these categories, who you just signed to a long-term deal, it’s hard for me to see this as a clear win. Sure, Boston gets a ton of financial relief and a lot of upside in De La Rosa and Webster. But those two are still unproven at the Major League level. Both sides are getting what they want here, so this is a trade where a winner cannot be declared yet.

    • hockeyflow33 - Aug 25, 2012 at 5:59 PM

      He’s not a $20m+ type player

      • jdd428 - Aug 25, 2012 at 6:24 PM

        Check his career numbers. He most certainly is.

      • 18thstreet - Aug 25, 2012 at 7:54 PM

        He’s not a $40 million player, which is what he’s actually costing him. Unless you’re under the impression that Beckett and Crawford are, presently, worth their contracts.

      • sabatimus - Aug 25, 2012 at 8:58 PM

        The hell he isn’t.

      • sabatimus - Aug 25, 2012 at 9:01 PM

        CRAWFORD isn’t a $20M player. That was probably the worst deal Theo ever allowed a player to sign. Crawford was a great player but players with that kind of money really need to hit 30 homers and drive in 100 runs; Crawford is and has never been that kind of player.

      • hockeyflow33 - Aug 26, 2012 at 4:22 PM

        It’s scary how un-clutch this guy is. You just better hope he isn’t the guy your season is riding on in september/october

    • drewsylvania - Aug 25, 2012 at 6:00 PM

      Just wrote this above but it applies here: “Who was the best player in the deal and who got him?” is only the be-all, end-all in fantasy.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Aug 25, 2012 at 8:22 PM

      Sure, it may be a down year for him – but he was still leading the Red Sox in average, OPS and RBIs.

      Average = Nope, Ortiz .318 > Gonzalez .300
      OPS = Nope, Ortiz 1.026 (Leading MLB) > Gonzalez .812

      So 1/3, not bad.

  20. manchestermiracle - Aug 25, 2012 at 11:29 PM

    With all the commentary here about how the RS got rid of “toxic” players, how come they just suspended Aceves? Couldn’t trade him, too? Gonzalez seems to have endeared himself to his new teammates by homering in his very first at-bat. Dodgers just knocked a game off the Giants’ lead. Yeah, the Sox “won” this trade alright. Let’s revisit this at the end of the year. You know, after Webster and De La Rosa have asked to be traded because the RS clubhouse still stinks to high heaven.

    • hockeyflow33 - Aug 26, 2012 at 4:21 PM

      he went 1-5 so let’s not act like he’s the second coming of Ruth

      • manchestermiracle - Aug 26, 2012 at 7:53 PM

        You mean that guy the RS sold to the Yankees all those years ago? Must have been another salary dump, eh? That worked out well for the Sox, didn’t it?

        Gonzalez got the Dodgers off to a good start in that game and let his new teammates know he’s there to win, that’s all. If you read Ruth into that maybe the Boston fan base really IS still hiding under the curse…..

  21. marketingforcontractors - Aug 26, 2012 at 1:07 AM

    Dodgers have $190+ million tied up in 14 active players and option buyouts + Manny, Andruw and Mcdougal in 2013.

    I didnt include Crawford in active MLB players as he wont be back until late August at the earliest but his salary is included and Puig is also not included even though he signed a ML deal.

    If those 4 options are picked up the Dodgers payroll is $206 million.

  22. lgwelsh1 - Aug 26, 2012 at 1:15 AM

    The Red Sox needed to do this, the ownership obviously realized that they had to clean house. It’s time for the youth movement in Boston. It happens for every team but Boston got a HUGE break in this trade and this will help them in the long run.

  23. stercuilus65 - Aug 26, 2012 at 12:31 PM

    “there are only 36 games left to play and they’re in a three-game hole in the west and a 1.5 game hole in the wild card. Sure, it’s possible that their addition pushes the Dodgers past San Francisco and/or the other wild card contenders, but it would take a hell of a month or so from them to do it.”

    Really a 1.5 game hole would take a “hell of a month” with only 36 games left to play?

    Really? smh

    It’s commentary like this from a baseball columnist make the head spin. They have 6 games left against the Giants Einstein. As for the wild card check back in two days they could be in the lead.

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