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Davey Johnson heard yelling at GM Mike Rizzo after loss

Aug 27, 2012, 11:19 AM EST

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After his Nationals were swept by the Phillies yesterday manager Davey Johnson was heard in the clubhouse yelling “you come down and manage the team!” to what Bill Ladson of MLB.com identified as general manager Mike Rizzo.

Once that happened all the reporters were told to leave the clubhouse for 15 minutes and when they returned Johnson explained: “I had a discussion with my boss.”

He declined to get into any further details and Rizzo declined to comment about the incident at all, leaving everyone to speculate about what was really going on.

Johnson was clearly frustrated after the Nationals lost for the fourth consecutive game, and rightfully so since it was an ugly, mistake-filled performance, but Washington still has the best record in baseball at 77-50 and remains 4.5 games ahead of Atlanta in the NL East.

However, according to Mark Zuckerman of CSNWashington.com yesterday’s yelling was probably much ado about (mostly) nothing.

  1. eric174 - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:22 AM

    There is drama with a team other than the Red Sox.
    Who knew.

    And you decided to report on it.
    I’m impressed.

    • chill1184 - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:08 PM

      Thats really not fair, other than the Strasburg debate, they’re really hasnt been much public drama around the Nationals.

      • natslady - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:28 PM

        Speaking of which, the Washington Times ran a survey, nationwide. Here are the results.

        41% agree with the shutdown. 11% disagree. 42% had the good sense mind their own business (“Don’t Know”).

        So it isn’t just us locals.

        http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/26/twtjz-analytics-poll-shut-stephen-strasburg-down/

      • xmatt0926x - Aug 27, 2012 at 1:10 PM

        Natslady, the shutdown may work out in the end but this weekends series should show you that anything can happen when you face good pitching in a series. The Phillies swept with half of a triple-A lineup because of the pitching. In the playoffs the Nats will see nothing but good pitching. you can’t take anything for granted. Strasburg should pitch in the playoffs. Jordan Zimmerman is a stud but Gio can dominate for 7 or have 110 pitches after 5. Then Edwin Jackson can be a total hit or miss as all of his former teams know. I know I’d want Strasburg pitching that first game of any playoff series.

      • schmedley69 - Aug 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM

        It’s hard to have drama around a team when no one cares about it.

    • bigleagues - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:57 PM

      One thing for sure . . . if this were Boston, we’d know all the salient details by now.

      • gloccamorra - Aug 27, 2012 at 4:14 PM

        Those salient details would be tough to find, buried in a landslide of rumor, speculation and innuendo. There are fewer facts in a Boston sports column than there are raisins in Raisin Bran.

  2. lumpyf - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:29 AM

    Rizzo has always struck as being insecure, defensive and overly sensitive. Probably has something to do with his small stature and lack of hair.

    • florida727 - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:25 PM

      Rizzo needs to take a freaking pill. This franchise accomplished next to nothing for how long? Now they have the best record in baseball and because they lose 4 games in a row, he’s lighting up Johnson? In years past, they’d have welcomed a 4-game losing streak. It would have been one of the shorter ones of the season.

  3. bennyandthemets - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:32 AM

    Can’t wait to hear their discussion after Rizzo shuts down Strasburg…

  4. mybrunoblog - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:34 AM

    Its usually not a good idea to yell at your boss but maybe these two guys are close enough to speak freely to each other without repercussions.

    • natslady - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:40 AM

      Well, I cursed out my boss a few weeks ago (by phone) when he gave me bad directions on the job. I’m still employed, and I’d bet Davey is also. I agree with Zuckerman–they’ve probably had a lot of arguments, the only difference this time is that reporters overheard it. You are talking two BIG BIG egos here.

      • Old Gator - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:57 PM

        Joe Girardi wound up being booted off the Feesh and managing the Borg after yelling at Scrooge McLoria. Lesson learned: it really, really pays to tell your boss to go fuck himself.

      • natstowngreg - Aug 27, 2012 at 7:21 PM

        Rizzo admires Davey; he’s said so on numerous occasions. Davey went without managing for years, but clearly, has his enthusiasm back. So they yelled at each other once. Big deal.

        The Nats have gone through 2012 largely slump-free. Now, they’re having a slump. How they deal with it will indicate how much they’ve progressed as a contender this season. Getting Ian Desmond and Michael Morse back (hopefully, tomorrow) should help.

  5. willclarkgameface - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:39 AM

    When are GMs going to realize that just because they know how to punch numbers into a computer, they don’t know how to MANAGE ball players and a Major League team?

    This shit gets me so ripped when ever I hear it. Rizzo is going to fuck the Nationals this fall.

    YOU WATCH.

    • natslady - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:23 PM

      Some anger there, bud? You do realize that you punched letters into a computer to make that remark, don’t you?

      • Victor's Secret - Aug 27, 2012 at 1:32 PM

        I love that his name is willclarkgameface. I feel he comes directly from the Rob old “Rob Dibble” school of thought.

      • natstowngreg - Aug 27, 2012 at 7:23 PM

        “Rob Dibble” and “thought” should not be used in the same sentence, unless the word “not” appears between.

  6. Jeremy Fox - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM

    Probably no big deal, just two guys frustrated at the way their team is playing right now and blowing off steam.

    • icanspeel - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:06 PM

      Yeah I am sure it is something that happens with a lot of ball clubs, difference is no one usually hears it happening.

  7. 12strikes - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    Rizzo Told Johnson that after one more trip to the mound he was shutting down Johnson for the season.

  8. kvanhorn87 - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:58 AM

    I heard Rizzo was mad that lil Davey blamed injuries on why he can’t manage his current players to beat a supposed hapless Philadelphia team. Davey has a horrible natitude!

    • natslady - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:32 PM

      Yeah. I don’t think so. But very kind of you to repeat that theory day after day, y’know, in case we didn’t get it the first three times.

      • 12strikes - Aug 28, 2012 at 9:59 AM

        (@ NatsLady) Denial…. Not, just a river in Egypt anymore.

        (I’m starting to think NatsLady is really MIke Rizzo.)

  9. jsally430 - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:04 PM

    no passion in the clubhouse you get the redsox

  10. heyblueyoustink - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:05 PM

    Natitude, gone wild.

  11. hushbrother - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:35 PM

    Rizzo yelled at him first.

    “Look, jerky, I got six hundred tiles here all &@$!!! busted up! You tell Bret Weir to get on the phone with me or I’ll rap his &$@!!! head in with a ratchet!”

  12. xmatt0926x - Aug 27, 2012 at 1:16 PM

    I’d say Rizzo seems like just the type of blowhard who feels he should second guess the manager after every game. I bet Rizzo is in Davey Johnson’s ear about game decisions more often than you would think.

  13. vcupats - Aug 27, 2012 at 2:34 PM

    Bad timing for the Nats to lose 4 consecutive games with their expected playoff rotation, especially after Stras pitched another gem on Wednesday. Rizzo can’t be sleeping well.

  14. kvanhorn87 - Aug 27, 2012 at 2:38 PM

    There is no city that has suffered endlessly who would ever agree with shutting glass arm down. You never know you will get back there again. Anything can happen. The Nats are set up (if they don’t continue to implode) to win now. What happens if tomorrow never comes?

  15. paperlions - Aug 27, 2012 at 2:43 PM

    Somewhere, Jim Riggleman is quietly shaking his head with a bemused smile on his face.

    • delawarephilliesfan - Aug 27, 2012 at 4:09 PM

      That is exactly what I thought when I heard about this.

  16. bbk1000 - Aug 27, 2012 at 6:09 PM

    Rizzo backed into all his success, there is always one company who will hire you….

    Davey on the other hand can be the liaison between the young and (no so ) old on this team…..

  17. schmedley69 - Aug 27, 2012 at 10:56 PM

    I think this is how the fight went:

    Rizzo: How could you lose to the Phillies? You’re chicken shit! You’re fake tough!!
    Davey: You’re a weird wuss!!

    They are about to exchange blows, then Boras enters the room and breaks it up and they end up in a tearful, group hug. Natitude!

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