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The real loser of the Red Sox-Dodgers trade? The Mets!

Aug 27, 2012, 11:00 AM EDT

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You know that friend you have who makes everything about them? How, no matter how attenuated their connection to something going on in the world, they filter it through their own experiences?  Yeah, that’s this Joel Sherman column about the Red Sox-Dodgers trade:

But in the winner-loser here and now, it is hard to ignore that the biggest loser was not even directly involved in the trade finalized yesterday. The biggest loser is the New York Mets. Because the Mets could not get even enough health and production from Jason Bay and/or Johan Santana to make the kind of financial reset trade the Red Sox just did by unloading Beckett and Crawford, in particular.

Sherman goes on to slam the Mets, calling them “losers.”  Losers because they couldn’t unload Bay and Santana. Losers because the Dodgers and Mets were both financial wrecks a few short months ago but now look at the Dodgers go. Losers because they are not “energizing the fan base” the way L.A. is and aren’t freeing up payroll like Boston is.

Which is insane. A salary-dump trade of this magnitude has never, ever happened in the history of baseball. The Mets were never for sale and the line of people willing to pay $2 billion and then absorb nearly $300 million in salaries is non-existent even if they were. And that’s before you note that the Mets had nothing like Adrian Gonzalez to throw into such a trade to make it worth the Dodgers’ while.

To rip the Mets for not doing what the Dodgers did here is cheap and silly. It’s like ripping your kid for not becoming the Dalai Lama. Sure, that kind of thing happens in the world, but it’s unfair in the extreme to suggest that there’s something wrong with him for not doing it.

But I guess there’s no hate like Mets hate, so this was probably inevitable.

  1. mrfloydpink - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:05 AM

    The weird part is that the real loser isn’t the Mets, it’s the Phillies.

    • Andee - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:16 AM

      Really should have pressed LA about unloading Cliff Lee, even if it was a long shot, Boston showed they were willing to pony up.

      • heyblueyoustink - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:00 PM

        I disagree, the Giants are the big losers here. Not just because the Dodgers, on paper at least, are better, but because this ownership is showing they’re willing to spend big money. but that’s just what I see.

        As to the Phillies:

        A) That contract is hard to move for any kind of value. Lee might not be worth it this year, but it’s the contract value on the market that makes for the real bugger.

        B) We did dump Blanton and Victorino.This gives Dominic Brown a chance to finally play every day. And it seems he might not be a total bust if you’ve been watching.

        c) 24-17 since the All Star break, too little, too late, but way better than what we saw in June and july.

        d) Last seven games, against division leaders, 5-2. I think there’s more room for optimism than you might think.

      • CJ - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:07 PM


        the truly frustrating thing for phans is when you look at the Phils’ remaining schedule, they should be able to gain some ground. I’m saying it still won’t be enough, but I can already see how this is going to end. Everyone’s written them off, they’ve quietly picked up a few games, get hot and give reason to hope, and fall just short. I’ll guess they fall short of the 2nd wild card by 3 games or less when it’s all said and done. I fear mgmt could then use the injuries as an excuse to say the team is better than it really is and won’t make the bold moves that need to be made for this team to be a contender again.

      • heyblueyoustink - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:18 PM

        I think missing the playoffs might be healthy for some of them who are just going through the motions.

        Think of it this way. Ruff is in the minors looking major league ready. Frandsen is showing you he might a little more than servicable at third, small sample size and all. Brown’s plate approach is a nice change of pace from swing, swing, swing away. And the kid we got from the giants might be something too.

        I’d like to see them unload Rollins perhaps, but how many games did that bullpen give away or make impossibe this year. Shore that up and guess what? You have your three games or more.

        i don’t think they have to be bold, thay have to be smart. SMRT.

      • phillyphever - Aug 27, 2012 at 1:18 PM

        I believe LA was on Lee’s no-trade list. Even if the Phils wanted to dump him to the Dodgers, he can block it.

      • bleedgreen - Aug 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM

        Watch what you say, blue. You’ll get thumbed down for pointing out the statistical fact that Chad Qualls and Antonio Bastardo sunk this season. They have 8 blown saves and 2 losses in non-save situations between them. Thats 10 games that the offense did enough to win, but those two guys gave away.

        That puts them tied for the WC right now, and 5 games out of 1st before September with a few games against the Braves and Nats to go.

      • paperlions - Aug 27, 2012 at 2:33 PM

        Oh come on….just about every team has 2 non-closers that have combined for 8 (or more) blown saves. The Phillies only have 15 BS on the year, which is fewer than the Cardinals, Reds, or Dodgers and only 1 more than the Giants and 2 more than the Nationals.

        Blowing saves is common for set up men that come in in close games…it happens to every team. The reason Philly is under .500 is because they have scored fewer runs than they have allowed on the season. Period.

    • heyblueyoustink - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:23 AM

      Huh? Care to digress?

  2. dondada10 - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:06 AM

    As a Mets fan, I’m terrified that we do have something like Adrian Gonzalez: David Wright and R.A. Dickey.

    Those are two guys that need to either be extended or dealt for a haul. Option C is to AGone them and bundle them them with players nobody wants (J. Bay, Santana).

    • spudatx - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:02 PM

      I don’t believe the Mets were ever thinking they even had an option of David Wright as the off-set on a Johan and/or Jason Bay trade without also tossing in a lot of cash. A-Gone’s value was high because he has a long-term deal in-place, is perceived as a player who can live up to it, and the receiving team seems to have a ton of money to spend on a player who is sure to be a local favorite. Wright has just a 1-year team option remaining on his contract, same for Dickey. The four together might entice the right team looking for a 1-year stopgap en route to something else, but I doubt it.

      Assuming any team would buyout the Johan and Bay deals in 2014, the deal would effectively leave the receiving team obligated to $19M for Jason Bay and $31M for Johan, two players which may not have much of anything to contribute in 2013. Wright and Dickey are considerable talents, but I don’t think so much so that they off-set that sort of money.

  3. ningenito78 - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:06 AM

    Haha. That Dali Lama analogy was great.

    • baccards - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:24 PM

      Like the old joke – Dad to son failing in school- “you need to study harder- when Abe Lincoln was your age he studied by candlelight and wrote with charcoal on a shovel”
      Son to dad – “When Abe Lincoln was your age , he was president.”

  4. jarathen - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:07 AM

    What a roundabout way to take a dig at the Mets. They don’t need people to try to finagle new ways to punch them in the gut. It’s already far too easy.

  5. kranepool - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:13 AM

    This is Joel Sherman’s M.O. as a Mets troll, usually he stalks the Mets blogs for ideas to write about in his column he’s a bit of a blogging perv that way.

    • cur68 - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:27 AM

      He reads HBT, too. Only reason for that down thumb I see there. Hi Joel.

  6. xnumberoneson - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:17 AM

    I didn’t see that column as attacking the Mets for failing to make that kind of trade. I think it’s more of a lament of the fact that the Mets are stuck in limbo while the Dodgers and Red Sox are in a position to make bold moves.

    • Jack Marshall - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:43 AM

      Every writer in Boston was saying that the red Sox were stuck, too. Before that trade, that is.

    • chill1184 - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:03 PM

      Nobody was going to take on Santan’s contract, especially with his injury history and at this point Bay is a lost cause. The Red Sox made out like bandits in this trade but of course if the Dodgers win the World Series than their gamble payed off.

  7. packhawk04 - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    This guys article seems a little uncalled for, and thats the nicest way to put it.

  8. Jason Chalifour - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:27 AM

    The fact of the matter is its embarrassing that the only NL team in New York has a lower payroll than the Twins. A few months ago the Mets and Dodgers were in somewhat similar situations, one team was sold to a group who could afford to properly capitalize the team, and revenues will increase as the team becomes competitive.

    I’m sure there are plenty of people willing to pay ten figures for a team in New York, with a new stadium, and it’s own RSN.

    • deepstblu - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:48 AM

      Yes, there are plenty of people willing to pay ten figures for a team in New York with a new stadium and its own RSN. Unfortunately for the Mets, the team they’re willing to pay that much for is called the Yankees.

  9. bbk1000 - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:39 AM

    The Mets ownership is just bad. This team is not going anywhere anytime soon.

  10. willclarkgameface - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:41 AM

    I love watching reporters AND fans alike around the country FREAK OUT about the Dodgers becoming this superpower.

    It makes me giggle like a little girl.

    • somekat - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:53 AM


      Win your division, win SOMETHING, until then, you calling them a superpower makes me laugh….although unlike you apparently, i laugh like a man

      • CJ - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:09 PM

        it’s never too early to proclaim the Dodgers a superpower. Just ask any Nats fan about their dynasty they have going down there…

  11. joshtown81 - Aug 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM

    Speaking or former Mets, see #25…

  12. chill1184 - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    Figured that this would eventually make it here to HBT. For those outside of NY this is standard protocol for the NY sports media including the Ministry of Truth stooges (Rob Parker, Micheal Kay, Steven A Smith, etc) who cover the teams. I got a chuckle that Braves partisan Calcaterra actually pointed out the absurdity of the article.

    What makes Sherman, Francesa and others cry crocodile tears is that Sandy Alderson refuses to play their game and let these Baghdad Bobs dictate to him on how he should do his job. Alderson isn’t Omar Minaya and knows the sports MSM is nothing but a bunch of bottom feeding vipers (who are only outdone by our “leaders” Washington DC). Alderson has a plan in place and won’t deviate from said plan because the professional trolls scream louder than Jenna Jameason in one of her films.

    • stex52 - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:21 PM

      Wow. Record for similes and metaphors in a two paragraph blog. Good job. :-)

    • keithbangedyermom - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:57 PM

      And of course it gives Calcaterra a hard-on to get a shot in as well.

      ENJOY GUYS!! Eventually the tables will turn.

  13. randygnyc - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    Joel is from NY, he should know better. The reason for the Mets recent woes- THE CURSE OF WILLIE RANDOLPH. The Mets will continue to flounder until they make things right with that man.

    • keithbangedyermom - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:54 PM

      Willie Randolph was an idiot.

      • keithbangedyermom - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:55 PM

        Although, yes, they did not handle his dismissal right at all. But how many teams have knocked down his door to become their manager since?

  14. gabeguterres - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:18 PM

    Excellent use of the word “attenuated.” Well played, Calcaterra.

  15. tonyricemajorharris - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:21 PM

    Who are the Mets?

  16. keithbangedyermom - Aug 27, 2012 at 12:43 PM

    Whatever. Trust me, Mets fans are aware of Sherman’s game.

  17. jfk69 - Aug 27, 2012 at 2:57 PM

    The real losers are the Met fans. Stuck with Wilpon who is now more interested in developing the salvage site the city/Bloomberg gave him next door than eating Flushing Bays contract and moving forward.

  18. hokiegajanisgod - Aug 27, 2012 at 3:49 PM

    Typical arrogant NY media. Sorry guys, not everything revolves around NY.

    Besides, who would trade for junk like Jason Bay anyway????

  19. snowbirdgothic - Aug 27, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    The real losers of that trade are Mets fans who had to read that article.

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