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The Dodgers inquired about Mark Teixeira and CC Sabathia

Aug 28, 2012, 10:00 AM EDT

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Because we didn’t already think the Dodgers were crazy enough, Joel Sherman reports today that they asked the Yankees about Mark Teixeira and CC Sabathia.

This was all part of a plan in which they basically called everyone asking if they wanted to unload their albatross contracts. Because apparently now, trading for highly inefficient contracts is the new inefficiency:

But it also is what led to a phone conversation with the Yankees about Sabathia (four years at $99 million left after this season) and Teixeira (four years, $90 million left after this season). The Yanks told Dodgers executives they had no interest in moving either.

The Yankees would be insane to let Sabathia go, but if you’re Brian Cashman, man, don’t you put Teixeira on waivers, let the Dodgers claim him and then just let him go?  I mean, he’s probably got a couple of rebound seasons left in him, but I’d be shocked if he had even one season worth anything close to the $22.5 million he’s owed for each of the next four years, let alone four of them.

As for the Dodgers, I guess you can’t get anything you want if you don’t ask for it. Why contracts like the ones they’re taking on and asking about are something they want, however, are another question.

  1. Francisco (FC) - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:03 AM

    Just wait, one of these days a story will pop up saying the Dodgers inquired the Patriots about getting Tom Brady.

  2. spudatx - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:04 AM

    Magic Johnson scoffs at your silly luxury tax, Bud!

    • pjmarn6 - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:07 AM

      Well, well, well so the peanut gallery are finally saying baseball salaries are ridiculous! About 20 years too late. You let them take drugs and nearly a peep. Now they are over the hill and what? A-Rod is getting 35+ Million for a .250 batting average and can’t play? OPEN WIDE AND SWALLOW!

      • paperlions - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:55 AM

        The salaries aren’t ridiculous, they are commensurate with what the owners are charging fans to follow the sport. If people wouldn’t pay the ticket prices and advertisers wouldn’t pay the ad fees (which is why TV contracts are such “good” deals for everyone)….then revenues wouldn’t be so high and salaries so affordable….I would rather the money go to the pockets of the players we root for….than into the pockets of no-talent rich guys that use their power to extort money from communities to build stadiums for their hobbies…all while getting massive tax breaks or interest-free loans.

  3. ningenito78 - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:05 AM

    As a Yankee fan a Teixeira trade never even dawned on me but you know what? Not a crazy idea. Although his glove at first has saved the Yanks an unmatchable amount of runs but if they really are hell bent on getting under the luxury tax threshold that may have been the best move. That being said, if the trade was contingent on moving CC too forget it.

    • tpxdmd - Aug 28, 2012 at 1:07 PM

      As a Yankee fan, that was the FIRST thing I thought of. The second thing I thought of was, “do they need a third baseman?”

  4. number42is1 - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:05 AM

    wait… if you let Tex go what do you do for 1st base? trade for Agon?

    • bsbiz - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:09 AM

      Better question: If the Dodgers get Teixeira, where do they play him and Gonzalez?

      • Francisco (FC) - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:27 AM

        I think it’s safe to assume that it was an “either or” situation. CC + Tex or AGon + Beckett ( + Crawford ( + Punto ) )

    • scastro87 - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:27 AM

      Someone crappy but cheap like Casey Kotchman, because that’s how you build winning teams.

    • proudlycanadian - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:57 AM

      If Tex is traded, you resign Swisher or move either Arod or Jeter to first. Conseptually, as the Red Sox now have some tax room, I like the idea of trading Tex, CC and Arod to Boston for Middlebrooks, Lester, Lackey, and prospects. That would really shake up the AL East.

      • number42is1 - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:59 AM

        You’re high, right?

      • proudlycanadian - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:03 AM

        Just having a bit of fun with Yankee and Red Sox fans.

      • kevinbnyc - Aug 28, 2012 at 12:56 PM

        Just think of how much Jeter’s lack of range would hurt them at 1st base.

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Aug 28, 2012 at 1:47 PM

        that is a strange consept

      • proudlycanadian - Aug 28, 2012 at 2:19 PM

        Edit function!

    • capone888 - Aug 28, 2012 at 12:47 PM

      I would let Tex go. Re-sign Swish and let him play first. Move Suzuki to be the everyday rightfielder next year when you get a healthy Gardner back in Leftfield. You wouldn’t lose and production out of the first base spot. You would lose power out of right field, but the speed you pick up would make up for it. Then with the money you saved from Tex you can still shop for a reliable starter and still be under the cap.

  5. ningenito78 - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:07 AM

    And Dodgers fans enjoy the next couple years because this is going to be ugly down the road.

    • dondada10 - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:25 AM

      I would usually agree, but it never got ugly for the Yanks. Bottomless pockets make up for a lot.

    • koufaxmitzvah - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:22 AM

      I’m pretty content with Gonzalez and Ramirez manning the corners over the next 3 years. Putting Carl Crawford in LF with Kemp and Ethier ain’t too shabby, either. Anything positive out of Beckett during this time will be gravy.

      Given a choice, I take homegrown over free agents; but all the new ownership is doing is picking up bad contracts by other teams. They’re not setting the standard in pay; they’re just dealing with it.

  6. doctorfootball - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:08 AM

    Yanks are getting really old. Their chances of winning a title this season are small. If I’m Cashman, I’m telling the Dodgers, you can have Texeira and CC, but you have to take A-Rod and his full contract. That would be a great move for the Yanks.

    • number42is1 - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:12 AM

      Shit! that actually makes sense. but to lose CC would be tough.

      • doctorfootball - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:50 AM

        Losing CC and Texeira hurts. But I think the Yanks are nearing the point of starting over. And, yes, the Yanks do need to rebuild sometimes too. For those of you who would say the Yanks don’t rebuild they reload. They need pitching and position prospects. Their no.1 pitching prospect, David Phelps, is decent, but he’s a middle to back of the rotation guy at best. Betances and Banuelos have struggled mightily. And where are the future replacements for A-Rod and Jeter? They went on their championship run in the late 1990’s with the core group being homegrown players. They need to get back to that, in my opinion.

    • pisano - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:19 AM

      doctor……Maybe you’ll get a lot of thumbs down on your post,( and I will as well) but I don’t think it’s all that crazy. What it does is get rid of Arod, who has nowhere to go but down, and Tex, while a great glove man isn’t what they thought they were getting with the bat. CC would be a loss, but he isn’t what he was, and like most pitchers who have been around as long as he has, has taken a step back. Save a lot of money while injecting youth into the line-up by replacing these guys, and staying under the 189mil. line. Just a thought.

      • scastro87 - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:26 AM

        Injecting youth doesn’t mean anything if the youthful players have less talent than the older players they’re replacing. Who are they getting to play 1st and 3rd and to replace Sabathia? It’s easy to say good young talent, but that pool of players is pretty small and getting locked up earlier and earlier, so try to say who’s going to replace them in the short term.

      • cackalackyank - Aug 28, 2012 at 6:28 PM

        The only part of this I thumbs down is the idea of getting rid of Sabathia. A-rod and Tex…thats fine with me.Maybe throw in the strike out king Granderson, too. I am sorry to say that Tex is way too brittle regardless of his glove, and once again this year the “brittle factor” catches up right at the worst moment…the stretch drive/ dog days. Considering he is @ six years younger than Jeter…I question if he can last through the contract, never mind produce at a level = to his paycheck. Sabathia is stil quite productive and an ace but is getting older an will be pitching a few less innings. Nonetheless, Yankee fans had better get used to more guys like Phelps rounding out the rotation and hoping we catch some lightening in a bottle for a new youth movement. It would be nice to have a guy like a Strasburg or Felix come out of our farmonce again and have control of him at a lower rate than FA nonsense rates.

    • scastro87 - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:23 AM

      How are their chances of winning so small that you give up? They’ve had the best record in baseball for stretches and have the second most wins in the AL right now. The goal of MLB teams are not just to have ‘good process’ and a cheap payroll and have the best $/WAR. A team like the Yankees can afford these guys (even with their sub $189 million goal) and as you say, some players are getting old, so why the hell would they just punt this season?

      • doctorfootball - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:59 AM

        The last few years the Yanks lost in the playoffs not because of their pitching but because they’ve become so dependent on the home run that they lose when it’s not there. This year’s team is even more dependent on hitting the long ball. That’s hard to do facing number 1 and 2 pitchers in the post season. That’s why I think their chances of winning are less than what their record might say it is. Getting A-Rod’s contract off the books would be a huge weight lifted off of the franchise. Especially when you consider ownership’s insistence that thishmael have a budget. Granted, it’s probably higher than everyone’s except maybe the Dodgers, but they need to spend more wisely. They need some more homegrown talent that they can control for years without having to shell out top dollar. It’s my opinion, and I’m sticking by it.

      • scastro87 - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:21 AM

        So, pretty much you think they hit too many homers. How hitting homeruns became a bad thing is really interesting too see, but if you look back at the past few World Series winners (in an analysis done by Kevin Davidoff of the NY Post here: http://bit.ly/QODLVp and noted By Craig on this very blog here: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/19/the-yankees-hit-a-lot-of-home-runs-this-is-a-problem/), the difference between the HR/AB rate is usually very small and several times, the team that won the world series had a higher HR/AB rate in the playoffs than the regular season. So your idea that teams all of a sudden stop hitting HRs in the playoffs is pretty wrong.

      • doctorfootball - Aug 28, 2012 at 12:01 PM

        Hitting homers becomes a bad thing when it’s post season time and you’re facing great pitchers that don’t allow homers.

      • scastro87 - Aug 28, 2012 at 12:06 PM

        So you read nothing past the first sentence and a half. Good to know.

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Aug 28, 2012 at 1:56 PM

        Drfootball – Post-season homers worked out OK in 2009.

        Which playoff-bound AL team has a scary rotation anyway? not Texas, not Chicago, not Baltimore. Detroit maybe, but Verlander can only pitch so many games.

    • jolink653 - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:28 AM

      If they wanted to take A-Rod and Teixeira, then I would have had to say yes…I don’t want to get rid of CC because he’s definitely an ace and those aren’t easy to come by…Teixeira hasn’t hit the way I thought he would; his power numbers are there but his average has really dipped and I’m not sure why that is

      • bigharold - Aug 28, 2012 at 3:09 PM

        “..Teixeira hasn’t hit the way I thought he would; his power numbers are there but his average has really dipped and I’m not sure why that is”

        The right field short porch.

        Like Giambi before him, he sees that fence and thinks; “I don’t even have to get it all to hit it over that.”

        He and Giambi had much better averages before they became full time Yankees. Once they signed onto the Yankees, .. Granderson too …, they became dead pull hitters. Perhaps that because the FO is quietly telling them that it’s their responsibility is to put the ball over the fence. Regardless, the results a lot of hitting right into the teeth of shift and declining averages. But, .. even though he’s off a bit this year, .. and his recent injury will only exacerbate that, .. the HR production is there for Teixeira and Granderson too.

        Hey, .. there is a reason why they call them the Bronx Bombers.

  7. garryfish - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:16 AM

    Sorry, Texeira has a no trade clause in his contract

    • scastro87 - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:29 AM

      And said that one of the reasons he didn’t sign with the Red Sox is that they wouldn’t offer full NTCs

    • dwrek5 - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:31 AM

      That doesn’t mean he can not be traded, just means he has to give his approval.

    • rich7041 - Aug 28, 2012 at 3:08 PM

      Tex does have a full NTC. And why would he waive that? He seems happy in NY and the Yanks’ situation is not like the Red Sox’ where some players probably couldn’t wait to leave. But it would solve some problems (help get under the cap, open 1st base for ARod and/or resign Swisher for alot less.)

  8. stex52 - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:20 AM

    Remember, just a month ago the Dodgers wanted to take Carlos Lee off of the Astros’ hands and pay most of his contract. Carlos is having a decent year, but no way 19MM$. It’s like Dodgers’ management is trying to corner the market on pretty good players who are grossly overpaid. What is this, reverse Moneyball?

    • koufaxmitzvah - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:27 AM

      The McCourt ownership screwed up the ball club. After Beltre’s 2004 season, Franky Haircut refused to make him offer to retain him. If we treated Beltre like the Braves treated Chipper, we wouldn’t have needed to make the core of these deals because 1. we would have had our cleanup hitter; and 2. there may not have been a fan revolt.

      I wonder, though, if this trade goes down if Carlos Lee accepts his trade to LA and the Dodgers don’t get swept by SF the series after a successful East Coast road trip.

  9. vanmorrissey - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:25 AM

    Well, why leave A Rod out of all the fun? Surely Dodgers could move Hanley to SS permanently and pick up the Arod contract, right?

    • pisano - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:32 AM

      I’ll bet that would work for the Yankees too.

  10. unlost1 - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:33 AM

    Arte Moreno just picked up the phone & he’s right across town!

  11. churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:47 AM

    If the Yanks were to trade Tex, they have an in house replacement ready for him who could easily swap positions.

    Player A – .264/.358/.507 126 OPS+, 131 2b, 134 HR
    Player B – .269/.366/.488 124 OPS+, 128 2b, 101 HR

    Player A – $85M so far last 4 years
    Player B – $31.3M so far last 4 years

    Player A = Tex
    Player B = Swisher

    If the team has lived with Tex’s production at 1b (where defense is a bit overrated), they could just move Swisher there and plug Ichiro into RF full time.

    • vallewho - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:43 AM

      That was my first thought. I’ll take Swish over Tex moving forward on a value proposition!

  12. ningenito78 - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:48 AM

    Doctor- that’s actually true. If they would take ARod they can have them all. I’m down for that.

  13. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:50 AM

    Except all three guys have full no-trade protection, so it does not really matter.

    FWIW, I don’t see any of those contracts as albatrosses over the next 3 or 4 years anyway. Look at the Yankees offense with ARod out. They have been struggling to score runs. With Tex gone for a few weeks the Yankees will get a taste of what things would be like without those two in the middle of the order. The reason the Yankees should keep them is the same reason the Dodgers would want them: they are highly productive. Maybe not perennial MVP candidates anymore, but still very productive players.

    As for the Yankees chances come October, I don’t see any team out there with fewer question marks. You never know what will happen, but I think they can hang with anyone if Tex and ARod are back.

    • bozosforall - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:47 PM

      Not to mention Pettitte back on the mound come playoff time.

  14. temporarilyexiled - Aug 28, 2012 at 11:37 AM

    It’s hard on small market teams like the Yankees when vulture capitalists like the Dodgers pull the strings.

  15. brockw82 - Aug 28, 2012 at 12:03 PM

    I’m a Yanks fan and placing Tex on waivers is something they should have done. Yeah he’s great on defense, but overrated offensively.

  16. laeaglefan - Aug 28, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    I wish they’d ask the Phillies about taking on Ryan Howard’s contract. He’d be on a plane to LA so fast that Magic Johnson’s head would spin.

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