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Argument over Blue Jays pitching staff leads to “sucker punch” death in Canada

Aug 29, 2012, 1:20 PM EDT

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This is a sad story from The Canadian Press:

Police say a man who died from an “alleged sucker” punch outside a Calgary bar had been in an argument over the Toronto Blue Jays’ pitching staff moments before he was struck. Brian Ludwig, a 41-year-old father, died in the hospital after the fight early Sunday morning following a charity golf tournament. Ludwig had been at the pub as part of the fundraiser.

Staff Sgt. Doug Andrus told the Calgary Herald that the fight, which took place in the parking lot, “was in regards to pitchers on the Blue Jays” and Ludwig died of blunt force trauma.

Scott Robert Hooser is accused of throwing the punch that killed Ludwig and the 27-year-old (pictured above) has been charged with manslaughter.

  1. eshine76 - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:27 PM

    Are you kidding me with this? What a meathead.

  2. redguy12588 - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:28 PM

    FIRE THE PITCHING COACH!

  3. bigleagues - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:30 PM

    That Hooser is a real LOOOOOOOOOO-SER!

    • theawesomersfranchise - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:10 PM

      Guy in Canada does this with the last name of Hooser eh?
      Ironic

  4. vallewho - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:34 PM

    Another casualty related to Toronto’s pitching.

    • Old Gator - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:45 PM

      Normally I don’t laugh when a tragedy is involved but a great one liner is a great one liner.

    • purnellmeagrejr - Aug 30, 2012 at 7:28 AM

      Look at the guy – he loooks like a weight lifter. GUys have to learn not to punch when they get big – a punch from a guy like that would break noses at least. Last fight I was in was when a new kid moved onto the block and wanted to make a name for hmself. He roped me into fighting him – which was one lucky punch on my part which blooodied his name suffficiently to declare victory and never fight again (50 years and counting.).

  5. koufaxmitzvah - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    Sad story..

    When booze and beer attack. You can’t sucker punch someone to death stoned off your ass.

    • theawesomersfranchise - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:46 PM

      Nobody inform Skip Bayless of this story. He will either defend the aggressor or suggest the government ban liquor being served at sports bars.

      Such a sad story, man dies while another is going to prison for I’m going to predict 24 months for…
      You know what, I kinda want to know who was defending or trashing the Jays staff. Is this guy going to be the guy in prison for defending the Blue Jays staff?

      • stlouis1baseball - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:50 PM

        24 months? Dude punches and kills someone and you are predicting 24 months.
        You can’t be serious.

      • theawesomersfranchise - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:52 PM

        Totally serious, welcome to Canada

      • badintent - Aug 30, 2012 at 1:31 AM

        He’s right , you kill a seagull , you go to jail for 10 years, kill an adult, a few years, unless pre-mediated.
        Jay’s pitching ? what pitching? they have no pitchers. useless argument in the first place.
        Betcha it was 2 Canadian Mooseheads screaming over hockey. Went to a baseball game and a hockey riot broke out

  6. papalurchdxb - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    For fudge cake, what is wrong with these people, it’s just a game! what a pointless destruction of 2 lives and families. a tragic waste.

    • theawesomersfranchise - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:48 PM

      There is only one life destroyed here, the guy honestly isn’t getting much time here in Canada for manslaughter from a sucker punch.

      • wihalofan - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:30 PM

        How about living the rest of your life knowing you killed someone?

      • theawesomersfranchise - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:40 PM

        I’d guess a 50/50 chance that someone who sucker punches stranger over a baseball argument will really care enough to be a punishment. Perhaps you and I, but there are plenty of cold folk out there.

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Aug 29, 2012 at 3:07 PM

        Can we send him out on a ship like Billy Budd?

      • Old Gator - Aug 30, 2012 at 8:07 AM

        Sure, assuming he gets a Claggart type as his master-at-arms.

  7. stex52 - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:53 PM

    Alcohol. Case closed. At a charity event, of all things. And over a game, of all things.

    Aren’t you glad sometimes on this site that we can’t reach through the screens at each other?

    • theawesomersfranchise - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:08 PM

      There would be a genocide of bloggers world wide.

      • stlouis1baseball - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM

        “Totally serious, welcome to Canada.”
        I don’t know how to respond to that Franchise.
        So…in this case…killing someone essentially gets you a slap on the wrist.
        Just…Wow.

      • theawesomersfranchise - Aug 29, 2012 at 3:38 PM

        There certainly are instances of manslaughter in both Canada and the US where the person who caused the death get off with a legal slap on the wrist. Much more so here in Canada, if he plays nice the whole time he will only do 2/3rds of whatever sentence he ends up with.

        We have it right when it comes to pot, but completely fail pretty much everywhere else.

        This is the country that gave Carla Homolka, 12 years for triple rape-murder one of which being her own sister.
        She’s now living in Guadeloupe with a husband and three kids

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Aug 29, 2012 at 7:46 PM

        She got that slap on the wrist because Bernardo hid crucial evidence (video tapes) and the search warrant for their house didn’t allow police to look for anything not already in plain sight. Once the statute of limitations to submit that evidence ran out Bernardo disclosed the location of it.

        But that still speaks to your point: rarely does our justice system get it right when it comes to dealing with serious crimes.

      • badintent - Aug 30, 2012 at 1:37 AM

        Forgot to mention, you get double credit for time served if you can’t pay your bail ( which is usually so low anyone walks out). i.e. in jail for 6 months awaiting trial, you get 1 year removed from your sentence. Find God and attend Bible classes in jail, another year usually removed, etc. Expressing remorse at sentencing, usually good for another 1 removed from sentence.etc.But don’t kill an animal, the judge will drop the hammer !!

  8. schlom - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:05 PM

    I blame golf.

  9. seanthegreatest - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:10 PM

    Canadians arguing over baseball? Whats that aboot?

    • jaysjunkie - Aug 30, 2012 at 3:08 PM

      FYI – I’ve lived in Canada for all of my 42 years and have never known a single person who has ever said “aboot”.

      • stlouis1baseball - Aug 31, 2012 at 9:17 AM

        Jayjunkie: We all now that isn’t true. Please don’t missunderstand me.
        That is part of the charm in my book. The same way you guys use an ‘s’ in lieu of a ‘z’.
        You spell “color”…”colour.” Several other cultural differences as well.
        But that’s a good thing in my opinion. I have done business in Canada for years.
        And lot’s of people enunciate “about”….by saying “aboot.” Nothing wrong with it at all.
        Lot’s of Kentuckians and Tenneseans say ‘Yall.” Sounds kind of hilljackish.
        But nothing wrong with it either. That’s what makes the world go around. Be proud of “aboot.”

      • jaysjunkie - Sep 2, 2012 at 1:24 PM

        stlouis1baseball: Appreciate most of what you said, but why would I lie about (*cough*) that? Seriously, I literally don’t know anyone that says it. Maybe it depends on what part of the country you’re doing business in?

  10. latrops - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:12 PM

    Just sad. How do you get to be 27 years old without understanding that it is OK to disagree with someone without having to throw punches? Tough guy, too….sucker punching a 40 year old. Just so stupid.

  11. yankeesgameday - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:13 PM

    Learn to walk away. It wasn’t just one comment here, it never goes that way. These things escalate. The guy in the picture looks pretty in shape and he’s about six inches taller than those cops, so tell me, why argue with that guy? Maybe the victim was too drunk to realize you don’t argue with strangers in bars because you never know what a stranger is capable of doing. But you can use the eyeball test, some guys its best to give a wider.berth. it doesn’t make you a wimp, it makes you 41 and a father.

    • natslady - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM

      Wait–you’re blaming the victim here? The article said it was a “sucker punch.” So you’re at a bar at a charity event and you figure the guy you’re having a sports argument with is going lay back and kill you?

      Let’s imagine it was the same except it the 5’5″ guy knifed the victim. So, he should know to walk away before the little guy pulls a knife? What kind of world do you live in?

      • Old Gator - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:50 PM

        Now now, that wasn’t what gameday was getting at. He wasn’t blaming the victim, just pointing out that most of the time these fights don’t escalate instantly like you were asking Anton Chigurh if one pack of cashews would be all. They escalate because both parties remain in the argument long enough for it to go postal. Gameday lives in the same world I live in: one in which there are some sick motherfuckers out there and you never know when you’ve gotten yourself into a disagreement with one until it’s too late.

      • yankeesgameday - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM

        I live in a world where you don’t argue with strangers in bars because the guy you don’t know might just kill you. If I were you next time you’re out and thinking about talking trash to the stranger in the next stool hopefully you’ll remember this exchange and keep to yourself because nothing good can ever come if it. See, I live in a world where random strangers can kill you and will kill you, and I hate to tell you, but you live in that world too.

        And it doesn’t t with take a genius to think “if I wound up in a fight with this guy, how would it go?”. Sucker punch, or not, words were exchanged, and all sucker punch means us that the victim wasn’t looking, but I promise you, he was probably running his mouth in the argument, because the article does say “argument”.

        Word of advice to everyone, argue with your friends in bars, not strangers. And buy a random round for the guys around you if you plan to be there for a while because there us nothing better in life than good will.

      • stex52 - Aug 29, 2012 at 3:47 PM

        Two drunk guys on a Saturday night get into an argument and decide to “settle” it in the parking lot. Their friends follow and the rest is history. How many points where this could have been stopped? I’m not blaming the victim either, but going outside to “settle it?” Buy the other guy a drink and walk away.

        A stranger kills another stranger over a MLB pitching staff. Give 95% of it to alcohol.

        The police down here used to call these “misdemeanor murders.” And I disagree on one point, Hooser’s life is pretty much marked, too.

    • yankeesgameday - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:56 PM

      Thx gator

    • eshine76 - Aug 29, 2012 at 3:15 PM

      If you read the linked articles it states that the guy who died was 6′ 3″ so he was no slouch himself. It also states that the intial fight was between the guy who died and someone else (presumably a friend of the meathead above). When the fight was “winding down,” the tough guy pictured above punched the deceased from behind in the back of the head.

      I’m not saying cooler heads shouldn’t have prevailed, especially as a father, but its not like these two got in each other’s face and a fight broke out.

      • keithbangedyermom - Aug 29, 2012 at 9:41 PM

        Since when does height have anything to do with how strong a person is, how well they punch or how tough they are?

        Have you never seen a 6’5″ man that weighs 170 pounds? Is that person a badass because they’re 6’5″?

    • sabatimus - Aug 29, 2012 at 3:19 PM

      100% agree yankees. I don’t really get how your statements got interpreted as blaming the victim. It’s a simple matter of priorities–choosing your battles. And when both parties are drunk, choosing battles very often becomes based on emotion rather than common sense. I’ve been in bars where overbearing assholes come in and start douche conversations with people. I generally agree with everything they say just to placate them, then I leave because I’m not having a good time.

      Long story shorter, the victim is not to blame, but he could have chosen this battle more wisely by not choosing it at all.

      (Also: Anyone who thinks the argument/punch was purely, deep down, about the Blue Jays is deluding themselves. It’s about the degradation of societies, community, etc and how individuals cope with them. Trite, but true.)

    • natslady - Aug 29, 2012 at 4:49 PM

      Well, I don’t accept that world. Because, as a female, if I lived in that world, I’d never leave my house or dare to speak a word to anyone of the male persuasion, because they are bigger than I am and if they take offense at what I say, yes, they could kill me. Quite easily.

      But go ahead and live in your world, fellas.

      • Old Gator - Aug 29, 2012 at 10:08 PM

        Were it but that simple. It’s the same world. It’s just a question of whether or not you want to see what you don’t like in it. I think what you mean is that you don’t want to live that way. Fine. But others around you won’t always give you the choice. The trick is to recognize and avoid them, not to pretend they’re not part of that world or that you can just shut them out of it by pretending you inhabit a different one.

  12. randygnyc - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:29 PM

    Wtf?!?!? Over a debate? A physical assault that lead to a death?!?!?! What a mouth breathing scumbag.

    • stex52 - Aug 29, 2012 at 3:49 PM

      Alcohol. Plain and simple. All of a sudden you’re eight feet tall and the world had better take notice. Sad to say, it happens all the time. Just not always lethal.

      • natslady - Aug 29, 2012 at 4:52 PM

        Really? Alcohol? Because no one who ever wasn’t drunk bullied someone, or executed an honor killing, etc. A contributing factor, maybe. But not the root cause.

      • stex52 - Aug 29, 2012 at 10:59 PM

        What do you want me to say? We are mostly all violent and predatory right below the surface. Look at some of things we say to total strangers on this blog. Civilization paints a thin veneer of gentility on top of that. Alcohol is the universal solvent, it cuts right through to that id down there.

        Guys are worse. But I don’t give women a free pass.

  13. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Aug 29, 2012 at 3:03 PM

    If this is what people are doing now, can I be something else?

    • sabatimus - Aug 29, 2012 at 3:27 PM

      Well spoken, sir.

    • sabatimus - Aug 29, 2012 at 3:27 PM

      Well spoken, sir.

    • natslady - Aug 29, 2012 at 4:53 PM

      Exactly.

  14. roverboy1949 - Aug 29, 2012 at 4:31 PM

    Alcohol and testosterone. A very volatile mixture. Sports are supposed to be fun. There is always a better way to solve these disputes. I was drunk in a bar in Tacoma Wa. back in the 70′s and a friend got into a major shouting match with 4 army guys. I wasn’t really crazy about going outside with them, but he was my friend. When we all got outside, one of the army guys had a great idea. They decided to pick up a small car and turn it sideways in the parking space! I was all for it. After we managed to get the car moved to it’s new space, we all went inside and finished the night as friends( the guy who owned the car wasn’t real happy, though). I guess it’s just a matter of finding a better way to solve these types of confrontations. No one wins when fists,or worse, are used to settle arguments. I have several false teeth to prove it.
    I hope the men involved and the family of the victim can find some peace.

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Aug 30, 2012 at 9:45 AM

      one, two, three, four. I declare thumb war

  15. jason9696 - Aug 29, 2012 at 5:03 PM

    Of course if this happened in the U.S. He would have been shot.

    • koufaxmitzvah - Aug 29, 2012 at 5:43 PM

      As well as 10 other people.

      • historiophiliac - Aug 29, 2012 at 6:56 PM

        more, if the NYPD responds!

      • badintent - Aug 30, 2012 at 1:46 AM

        @ hysterialphilliac
        I’ll take my chances with NY Blue.They protected my liquor store for 7 years, thank God none of them died in 9/11. But I’m sure your city’s police force is just sooooo much better. They won’t shot because of potential lawsuits.

      • koufaxmitzvah - Aug 30, 2012 at 7:54 AM

        @badintnet: The reference was to the shooting outside the Empire State Building last week when police officers responded and shot 9 people, all of whom were not the original shooter.

  16. deathmonkey41 - Aug 29, 2012 at 6:00 PM

    It’s time for the government to ban fists!

  17. gosuhgo - Aug 30, 2012 at 1:19 AM

    If it makes you guys feel any better about the manslaughter charges, I was on a team with a kid who practically did the same thing (punched a guy outside of a bar and killed him) and he’s now in jail for 15+. This is in the US however.

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