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Can someone please fire Bobby Valentine now?

Aug 29, 2012, 1:29 AM EST

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It sure appeared as though Bobby Valentine was more interested in proving a point than winning a ballgame on Tuesday night.

With a 5-4 lead after seven innings, Valentine sent Alfredo Aceves out to earn a two-inning save against the Angels. Aceves got through the eighth unscathed, but he lost the game on an RBI single and a sac fly in the ninth.

Aceves, of course, had just returned from a three-game, team-imposed suspension. He hadn’t pitched since Thursday, when he was left in to give up five runs in one-plus innings in a loss to the same Angels team.

Aceves pitched a one-two-three eighth inning tonight. Leaving him in to start the ninth was certainly defensible, but there should have been someone warming up behind him. Valentine didn’t bother getting anyone up until two men reached with one out. By then, it was too late; Aceves gave up a broken bat RBI single to Mike Trout and a game-ending sac fly to Torii Hunter.

If this were 1982, Valentine’s handling of Aceves may have been pretty typical. But the fact of the matter is that hardly anyone is sent out for two-inning saves these days. Aceves didn’t have one this year. In fact, there’s been exactly one two-inning save in a one- or two-run game all year; the Giants’ Jeremy Affeldt recorded it on June 4.

No, this was Valentine trying to show who’s boss. Aceves thinks he deserves to close, so Valentine made him go prove it by giving him a more difficult assignment than any closer is asked to handle these days. And Aceves probably would have handled it if not a fluke HBP — Erick Aybar reached to start the Angels’ rally because a curveball bounced off his back foot.

The Red Sox made it clear they’re trying to start over when they sent Adrian Gonzalez, Josh Beckett and Carl Crawford packing last week. It’s time to finish the job and drop the axe on Valentine as well.

  1. ras1tafari - Aug 29, 2012 at 9:51 AM

    Valentine has no redeeming qualities as a manager. His hire was a terrible, terrible decision, and I can only hope that the Red Sox have the stones to move on from this mistake as well.

    The season is lost, so just wrap it up (<see what I did there?) and fire the Booby.

    • pinkfloydprism - Aug 29, 2012 at 11:44 AM

      I agree… and this move was not horrible seeing that they have no chance of making the playoffs this year. Why not show the guy why they are not going to use him in the closer role anymore? Nothing matters at this point in the standings, so let him run wild now so the fan base calls for his head like they did Grady Little.

    • j0esixpack - Aug 29, 2012 at 4:33 PM

      The one redeeming quality of Bobby V. is that he is most definitely NOT a “player’s manager.”

      While the Sox had great success under their last “player’s manager” they’d clearly taken that for granted, given the fried chicken and beer season where they lost composure.

      One year under Bobby V. should ensure that they appreciate the next “player’s manager” and play hard, or else the ownership will bring in another guy like Valentine.

      Francona isn’t coming back to the Sox – but his former pitching coach Farrell may be very interested in leaving a small market team like Tornoto to return to a BoSox team that now can be active players on the free agent and trade market.

      I predict that making the players better appreciate a player’s manager, and a “lost season” in which they can actually give some AAA players a look at the Major League level will pay dividends down the road.

  2. theboysofdallas - Aug 29, 2012 at 10:01 AM

    Do I see a reunion in the nearby future between the BoSox and mr.Francona?

    • paperlions - Aug 29, 2012 at 10:07 AM

      Because Francona would want to return the organization that fired him and then leaked rumors that he was abusing pain meds?

      • frenchysplatediscipline - Aug 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM

        Money and time have a funny way of healing the deepest wounds (especially money).

      • paperlions - Aug 29, 2012 at 4:28 PM

        Francona doesn’t need money…..and other people seem perfectly willing to give him some, if he should need it.

      • mckludge - Sep 4, 2012 at 5:30 PM

        It’s not about *needing* money. People who have billions still want more.

  3. theboysofdallas - Aug 29, 2012 at 10:01 AM

    Just kidding on the reunion thing

    • paperlions - Aug 29, 2012 at 10:07 AM

      Sorry, didn’t see this before the previous post.

  4. xpensivewinos - Aug 29, 2012 at 10:42 AM

    randygnyc –

    All we can do is speculate. I guess that’s half the fun of being a fan.

    To me, Valentine has shown nothing special as a strategist and he’s proven he’s no leader of men. He just has that innate ability to rub people the wrong way immediately, so if he’s not liked and more importantly, not respected, he’s part of the problem. I don’t see how he’s shown on any level that he’s part of the solution. I guess the latest theory we’ll be hearing about ad nauseam is the Red Sox are just waiting for John Farrell to come back around. If that’s the case, promote Bogar for a year.

    The whole thing is nuts. If you told me a week ago that the Dodgers would take Gonzalez, Beckett and a one-armed Crawford who hasn’t played well in two years off the Red Sox hands, pay the freight and give up some legit prospects as well, I would have come after you with a butterfly net.

    All we can do is sit back, see what happens and hope for the best. All I can say is that the trade last week was the first thing the Red Sox have done in a long time that has me optimistic they’re heading in the right direction. However, why they didn’t just release Aceves is beyond me, so who the hell knows……..

  5. hushbrother - Aug 29, 2012 at 10:49 AM

    Jeez, damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Managers are routinely derided for using their Proven Closers for only one inning, and then only with a lead. Now a manager decides to use one for two innings one time and he should be fired.

    Also, if Valentine had been intent on proving a point, wouldn’t he have done better to take Aceves OUT for the ninth? Thereby sending the message, “I decide who pitches the ninth inning around here, not you.” And in any case the blame should be on Aceves for falling behind and walking hitters and blowing the save, second inning of work notwithstanding (he was well rested, after all) and not the manager. Alfredo has been pretty lousy but he, and for that matter any pitcher worth a crap, ought to be able to pitch two innings once in a while.

    • redsoxfan75 - Aug 29, 2012 at 11:38 AM

      Right ! If anything, being they got in such a ” heated ” discussion several nights ago, I say heated for we were not there to really hear or see what happened, but wouldn’t Bobby V. leaving him in for an extra inning show nothing but faith in him as a closer, or a more dominant pitcher ??? The Sox are at 62 wins this season. I have said this before but if Beckett didn’t get shoved outta town with a 5-11 record and Lester had a improved 8-11 recored, and we had another descent starter after Clay, we would be at possible 70 wins or better , considering our team was blown up with injuries this year, and the Yankees are sitting on 75 wins, we wouldn’t be in terrible shape with all our injuries, and under performing mutts. Give Bobby V. a break a little, they collapsed and played like gaarrbbaaggeee for a guy who won 2 rings for the team, and because this merry band of bums is imploding again this year, its all Bobby V.’s fault ???? yawn !

      • redsoxfan75 - Aug 29, 2012 at 11:58 AM

        Aceves is a M.R. pitcher, he has pitched, 2 ,3, 4, 5, innings before with Yankees. Why would Valentine doubt the guys ability to go 2 innings or better ???? People need to get a clue and stop wanting Bobby V.’s head on a platter. I love my Sox but they are underachievers, all year ! I accept it. I know the trade of the 4 Horseman will only help us, and put us on a better track for next year.

  6. eric174 - Aug 29, 2012 at 11:11 AM

    Help ! I’m surrounded by Incompetence-

    Whomever wrote this post really needs to get a clue.
    There wasn’t anybody else available to pitch.

    This whole “making a point” thing is just flat made up by this person.

    You aren’t entitled to your own facts.

    • pellypell - Aug 29, 2012 at 11:58 AM

      Nice try, Bobby Valentine.

    • frenchysplatediscipline - Aug 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM

      HA HA. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story!

  7. poprox13 - Aug 29, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    I was sitting on the left field line last night and kept looking at the bullpen hoping to see someone warming up, unfortunately it didn’t happen until it was too late!

  8. skeleteeth - Aug 29, 2012 at 11:59 AM

    Stop crying. Aceves is 2-9 and has blown 8 saves not because Valentine leaves him in too long but because he shouldn’t be a closer and/or sucks.

    • coloradostupid - Aug 29, 2012 at 2:56 PM

      Matthew does know how to insight Red Sox fans – does he not?

      • mazblast - Aug 31, 2012 at 4:32 PM

        “incite”, not “insight”. Just an FYI.

  9. vanmorrissey - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:28 PM

    So, he’s trying to prove the point Aceves is not that great, and he was right so get over it already, Christ. Leave him in to prove he’s what he thinks he is and guess what, he’s not so quit crying about it in a lost season anyway. See absolutely nothing wrong with Valentine doing this, and oh, by they way, listen to some former players and executives today and they’ll tell you the same thing. Importance of that game to the Red Sox, next to nothing, importance to tell Aceves who he really is, much more important. Case closed.

  10. steppdad - Aug 29, 2012 at 12:36 PM

    My 12 year old pitched 6 innings in a game… why can’t this guy pitch 2?

  11. jrbdmb - Aug 29, 2012 at 1:14 PM

    “My 12 year old pitched 6 innings in a game… why can’t this guy pitch 2?”

    Unless your kid pitching to Trout and Pujs, that’s a really shitty comparison.

  12. mojosmagic - Aug 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM

    Bobby your a little back stabbing liar and a ahole twit. No one likes you, not even uour pet snake. And one more thing YOUR FIRED!

  13. flyeredup - Aug 29, 2012 at 6:44 PM

    @xavier46. We’re on a baseball forum. Dumb meet dumber.

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