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NBC SportsTalk: Do payroll discrepancies matter anymore?

Aug 31, 2012, 9:41 AM EDT

Yeah, on the very top end, sure. But as the A’s, Rays and Pirates are showing — and as the Phillies, Red Sox and Angels are too, in their own way — payroll is not destiny these days.

At least that was my argument. Erik took it the other way. TV is boring when everyone agrees, though, so it’s all good.
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  1. heyblueyoustink - Aug 31, 2012 at 9:53 AM

    The Yankees are keeping the Royals down. This Phillies, in their excess, have robbed from the Astros time and time again. This is baseball class warfare!! It must be stopped! If the league had universal health care, Denard Span would not have had to suffer for so long due to the inequalities the Twins face because of the Red Sox excess! ;-)

  2. atworkident - Aug 31, 2012 at 9:55 AM

    Guy 1: Hey is that an Oakland elephant in the room?

    Guy 2: No, that elephant in the room is the Baltimore Orioles. No one likes to mention they exist.

    • psuravens19 - Aug 31, 2012 at 11:57 AM

      As an O’s fan I’m ok with the media not acknowleding the O’s on a daily basis. I’ll continue to sit back and watch them play good baseball and win!

  3. ireportyoudecide - Aug 31, 2012 at 10:07 AM

    Sure you can win without spending a lot, and yes you can lose while spending a lot. However look what the Dodgers have done the last month in becoming a contendor, it has everything to do with spending money. Ramiriz, Gonzalez, Crawford, Beckett, teams with higher payrolls have a easier route to compete.

    • bigleagues - Aug 31, 2012 at 12:17 PM

      The Dodgers were 54-45 when they acquired HanRam and 16-17 since.

      The Dodgers were 68-58 when they acquired Gonzo, Beckett, Punto & Crawford and 2-4 since.

      Pricey acquisitions are not necessarily indicative of future results. The Red Sox now know this, just as the Yankees found out before them.

    • Francisco (FC) - Aug 31, 2012 at 4:01 PM

      Poor Victorino and Blanton, nobody includes them in Dodger trades anymore…

  4. samu0034 - Aug 31, 2012 at 10:13 AM

    Being a large market team is a ticket to be able to recover from mistakes. It’s not that you can run your team like a moron and still expect to always win, it’s that you can make the occasional blunder and recover from it relatively painlessly. Small market teams don’t have that luxury.

    • ufullpj - Aug 31, 2012 at 10:34 AM

      Could not agree more. Small market teams have to be considerably more risk-averse than large market, higher revenue teams. The margin for error, especially in multi-year contracts, for high revenue generating clubs is minimal compared to the smaller market clubs.

  5. redguy12588 - Aug 31, 2012 at 10:49 AM

    The only people that don’t think that large market teams have an advantage are fans of large market teams. If the rays could spend like the Yankees, they’d probably win the world series every year.

    • number42is1 - Aug 31, 2012 at 11:43 AM

      I just dont understand comments like these. the Yankees spend like the Yankees every gddamn year and they DONT win the WS every year. year after year after year folks say stupid shit like “the Yankees buy championships” well what happens the years that they dont win? or what happens if they do win this year with CC, Tex, Arod, all being subpar? THEN will you say that they won it all IN SPITE of their spending? i guess haters are gonna hate but its pretty flawed logic.

      • redguy12588 - Aug 31, 2012 at 12:01 PM

        That’s because teams like the Yankees and red sox don’t maintain their farm systems because they know they’ll generate higher attendance and revenue from big free agent signings. Yankees have an average at best management, if they had the rays GM, they would be favorites to win it all every year.

        If you don’t think it’s an advantage, you’re crazy.

      • bmorelikeme - Aug 31, 2012 at 12:01 PM

        It’s not flawed logic. Clearly, “every year” is clearly hyperbole, but if you were able to combine the Ray’s management (scouting, development, strategic thinking, etc) with the Yankees financial resources, the resulting team would probably make the playoffs 99% of the time and would certainly be in contention for the WS crown.

        And yes, as always, haters are gonna hate.

      • number42is1 - Aug 31, 2012 at 12:20 PM

        except that the Yanks DO make the playoffs 99% of the time and they still dont win the WS 50% of the time. Cashman is doing a fine enough job. sure he makes mistakes here and there but the fact is that most of them do. i am certain that if the Rays had the Yanks money that thier GM would make the same spending “mistakes” as cashman. to say that money buys championships is pretty small minded. there is a chance that the Yanks dont even make the playoffs this year. If that happens all you will hear is that they didnt make it EVEN THOUGH they spent 200+ million. if they do then you will hear how they bought it.. damned if you do and damned if you dont.

      • bigharold - Aug 31, 2012 at 3:27 PM

        “That’s because teams like the Yankees … don’t maintain their farm systems because they know they’ll generate higher attendance and revenue from big free agent signings.”

        That’s not so. They understand that no farm system is going to produce what you need year in and year out. Also, they understand that their fans aren’t going to be happy if they refuse to use their advantage when needed. If one has the need and the resources one would be foolish not to use them.

        “Yankees have an average at best management, ..”

        Really? Because, aside from producing a number of internally developed players and pitchers Cashman has made some very good trades over the years too. Recently there was Granderson, .. Swisher, which was a steal. He’s mad some really smart moves in low end FA signings the last few years too. Chavez, .. Jones, .. Colon, .. Ichiro, .. Ibanez. With exception of Burnett the last really poor FA signing was Pavano. And, frankly it wasn’t just the Yankees that were wrong about him. The year her was a FA he was the consensus pick of the litter for FA pitchers.

        “.. if they had the rays GM, they would be favorites to win it all every year.”

        And, one could also say that the Rays would necessarily behave they way they have if they had more resources. The Rays have, .. to their credit, .. developed some very good pitchers over the last ten years. Part of the reason for that is a lot of very poor finishes that gave them good draft spots. Add to that the number of players that were signed by other teams for additional draft spots, .. throw n some very good management and you have a decent team. But, to date not a championship team. If they had double the salary, .. not even Yankee payroll, . they’d likely make different choices and perhaps not have had the success they did achieve. The Rays have a very good GM but his situation forced him to take the only path that was available to him. There is not certainty that he’d have been as successful had he been given different opportunity with more resources.

        ‘If you don’t think it’s an advantage, you’re crazy.”

        Sure it’s an advantage to have Yankee or big market resources but it doesn’t directly translate into championships. If it did that Yankees would have far more WS titles. What is does give the Yankees is more opportunity. What they accomplish with it is why the play the games.

  6. deadeyedesign23 - Aug 31, 2012 at 11:55 AM

    Thank God. Someone go tell this to the NBA owners now too so I can stop listening to them bitch about not being able to compete with big markets.

  7. hisgirlgotburrelled - Aug 31, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    I think the last comment Erik made says it all “the top 5 will be the top 5 and the bottom 5 will have to rotate in.” The top payroll teams can afford to make mistakes with contracts and draft picks and be able recover. The bottom teams can’t as much.

  8. motherscratcher23 - Aug 31, 2012 at 3:10 PM

    I love ya, Craig, but you lost that one.

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