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Alfredo Aceves and Dustin Pedroia had an argument Saturday night in the Red Sox dugout

Sep 2, 2012, 10:55 AM EDT

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Drama continues to surround this Red Sox team.

According to Sean McAdam of CSN New England, second baseman Dustin Pedroia and right-hander Alfredo Aceves got into a “heated argument” on Saturday in the visitors dugout at Oakland’s O.Co Coliseum. It was all verbal, but they eventually had to be separated by third base coach Jerry Royster.

McAdam got the inside scoop after the game:

According to a source, the argument was the result of Aceves attempting to direct the positioning of the infielders. Defensive positioning in the infield is the purview of Royster, who doubles as the team’s infield instructor.

The source added that Pedroia, angry over Aceves’s directions, essentially told the volatile reliever to concentrate on pitching and that the infielders would focus on positioning themselves properly.

Aceves also dropped a pop-up in the previous half-inning after calling off multiple converging infielders. The Red Sox went on to lose the game 7-1 and have now dropped to 10 games below the .500 mark. It’s a mess.

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UPDATE, 11:25 AM: MLB.com has video of the argument from the NESN (Red Sox) feed.

  1. xpensivewinos - Sep 2, 2012 at 11:02 AM

    The good news is, with the team completely coming apart at the seams, we’re one day closer to Bobby Valentine being the “former manager” of the Boston Red Sox.

    • Glenn - Sep 2, 2012 at 5:45 PM

      This seems like a non-story except that Aceves seems to tell Bobby V to butt out and treats him pretty disrespectfully. Bobby V walks away and does nothing.

  2. mikeincmn - Sep 2, 2012 at 11:04 AM

    They should just cut Aceves at this point. He isnt that good of a pitcher to put up with his constant antics.

    • bigharold - Sep 2, 2012 at 6:16 PM

      Actually Aceves is a very good pitcher, he’s just not a very good closer.

      He was a good pitcher for the Yankees and he was a good pitcher for the RS last season. He was put in a role that didn’t suit his skill set and in fact did a pretty decent job of it anyway. I’d wager that his recent issues have a bit to do with Valentine’s overbearing management style.

      It’s almost certain Aceves won’t be back with the RS next year. Odds are next season will have a much better year with an other team and the Nation will wonder why he had such a poor second half of 2012. Look no further than Valentine.

      • protius - Sep 3, 2012 at 2:33 AM

        In all likelihood, he’ll be back in Yankee pinstripes next season.

  3. tfbuckfutter - Sep 2, 2012 at 11:06 AM

    Am I the only Red Sox fan who, if the team can’t be in the race I just want to see them completely implode like this?

    Because those are the only two things I enjoy in my sports teams, winning or total effing chaos.

    So this season has been entertaining to say the least.

    • andrewproughcfe - Sep 2, 2012 at 1:33 PM

      Haha – no, TB – we are all well aware that ALL Boston sports fans LOVE nothing more than watching their “heroes” fail spectacularly. You guys make New York and Philly fans look like absolute amateurs when it comes to the hatred/panic you spew at your sports teams on a daily basis.

    • tfbuckfutter - Sep 2, 2012 at 1:57 PM

      It’s more the fans reactions I find comical….BECAUSE of that general attitude.

      I like seeing everyone losing their shit over a game.

      If they aren’t going to win, I want them to be entertainingly bad, and I want everyone freaking out.

    • ike73 - Sep 2, 2012 at 4:48 PM

      Totally agree, dude. I’ve been saying this all year. If they’re going to lose, they’re should lose entertainingly. In a sense, this is a throwback to the Red Sox I knew when I was growing up: total drama queens with bad ownership and management who can’t get out of their own way. Maybe the pink hats will go away now, too, and the stands will once again be the domain of angry drunk guys getting into fistfights.

    • protius - Sep 3, 2012 at 3:06 AM

      Yes, the Spartacus syndrome.

      All the players sitting barefoot around the mound in Fenway Park in nothing but their jocks saying: I’m Spartacus, I’m Spartacus, I’m Spartacus, and then a duel to the death between Ellbury and Pedroia, and Ellbury leaves himself open and Pedroia gets him in the ribs, one last time with a pointed broken bat.

      The rest of the team are crucified with Adhesive Ace Bandages on 20′ crosses erected every so often along both sides of Beacon Street. Fans are invited to smear Ben Gay and home-made chili on them to relieve their frustration for the long dismal season.

      At the of the line of crosses are a line of garbage cans, and inside each garbage can is a Red Sox beat writer, they are each taped up hand and foot, and up-side down in their own vomit and shit. A fitting end for the liars and trouble makers, who do nothing useful in the world.

      Bobby V’s head has been removed and packed in ice, and sent to Tito in a hat back as a token of the fans appreciation for services rendered.

      • simonfoster231171 - Sep 7, 2012 at 6:39 AM

        Can we dig up Dave Egan and dump the remains of the beat writers’ garbage cans on his withered rotting corpse?

  4. raysfan1 - Sep 2, 2012 at 11:08 AM

    Another day, another episode of the melodrama “As the Red Sox Turn.”

    • Old Gator - Sep 2, 2012 at 11:34 AM

      More like Dork Shadows.

    • ugglasforearms - Sep 2, 2012 at 12:15 PM

      or “As The Stomach Turns”

  5. kmgannon - Sep 2, 2012 at 11:08 AM

    The common denominator in all of these types of stories for the Sox–dugout arguments, clubhouse grumblings, public criticisms of the manager–seems to be Dustin Pedroia. Just an observation.

    • revansrevenant - Sep 2, 2012 at 11:15 AM

      I’ve noticed that as well. Perhaps the real problem is still in the clubhouse.

      • 18thstreet - Sep 2, 2012 at 4:43 PM

        Oh, please.

        If Pedroia DIDN’T call out Aceves — who is clearly a headcase, or the Yankees wouldn’t have let him go — you people would be criticizing him for THAT. “Where’s the leadership?”

        You hate the guy, I get it. But what I see is a guy who hates his idiot manager and calls out his lazy teammates. This is NOT the problem. This is the solution.

      • Glenn - Sep 2, 2012 at 5:24 PM

        Pedroia is the one player we know does care.

      • bozosforall - Sep 2, 2012 at 5:32 PM

        Oh please18th street.

        Quit blowing Pedrioa.

        His brother did enough of that to him when he was growing up.

      • bigharold - Sep 2, 2012 at 6:20 PM

        “.. who is clearly a headcase, or the Yankees wouldn’t have let him go …”

        The Yankees let him go because his back was questionable and they had better options. Aceves is a very good pitcher that has been handled poorly.

      • bigharold - Sep 2, 2012 at 6:24 PM

        “bozosforall”

        Never has there been a more appropriate handle.

        Clearly you never heard the proverb about; keeping ones mouth shut and having people merely thing you a fool than talking and removing it all doubt.

    • vanmorrissey - Sep 2, 2012 at 11:24 AM

      Agreed. Team crapped out the last month under Francona and now full season under Valentine, so who’s the answer? No one really knows, crap shoot who can turn the team around.

    • ras1tafari - Sep 2, 2012 at 11:47 AM

      Dustin “the little manager” Pedroia

    • mickeylolich1968 - Sep 2, 2012 at 12:17 PM

      While Pedroia may have become a bit of a pita, he plays his ass off.
      Aceves, on the other hand is a total nut job and Pedrioa may have been standing up to him and his crazy ass bull s**t.

    • bigleagues - Sep 2, 2012 at 12:32 PM

      Much to the stunned amazement of some of my fellow Red Sox fans, last Winter, I had stated rather matter of factly – that then was the time to deal Dustin Pedroia.

      We need only look to a guy like Carlos Baerga to see what happens to shorter wannabe power-hitting secondbaseman as they approach 30 – and it ain’t pretty.

      We are 4-years removed from his MVP season and while he put up numbers last year every bit as good as 2008 – given the way he plays and the impact of the torque of his swing must have on his middle back . . . it’s really time to consider dealing him while the Sox can still get good value for for him – especially considering he is under contract until 2015 at approximately $10.33M per year.

      Whether or not Pedroia is one of the clubhouse problems, If you’re gonna start fresh – you gotto go all the way with it.

      And, not sure where Royster told Pedroia to be on that last pitch out, but it typically the Catcher signals something to indicate pitch-out and it’s the job of the middle infielders to pick that up and adjust. So Aceves may have had a point and Pedroia just didn’t like being called out on it.

      • bigleagues - Sep 2, 2012 at 12:35 PM

        I hate it when my GF is talking to me and I totally write the wrong thing. Doesn’t she understand that she is making me look stupid online? And then there’s moment after you hit ‘reply’ when you spot the error and feel completely helpless? Argh.

        I meant to say ‘to indicate pick-off

      • spudatx - Sep 2, 2012 at 3:13 PM

        I agree. Pedroia had a very good year in 2008 to win an MVP in a rather lackluster year for the AL. Since then, his supporters keep a vision in their heads that this guy is a perennial MVP candidate when he’s simply not. He’s a very good player, not great. He missed half a season in 2010 with and injury and since been streaky as a hitter. He gets mouthier every year and doesn’t really seem to be the clubhouse leader so much as a media jester and clubhouse dugout policeman. As hard as it might be to face, I think Sox fans needs to consider that he might very well be more a part of the problem than the answer to the team’s future success.

      • bigleagues - Sep 2, 2012 at 4:46 PM

        I get killed, you get the praise.

        Sometimes life’s just not fair.

        Then again, I guess I should be thrilled that 26+ people bothered to glance at what I wrote.

      • badintent - Sep 3, 2012 at 2:15 AM

        I’m a Yankee fan, and I would love to have Dustin on the Yankees ! Guy plays with true passion every game and Yankee fans dig that.He is a clutch hitter and never makes errors in crunch time. Yes he plays too hard sometimes for his body, but he could set an example to A-Rod about earning your $$$. The Yankees lack an emotional fireplug like Dustin.Three team trade, he comes to Da Bronx. I love it. I’m Brian Cashman and I approved this message !

      • bigleagues - Sep 3, 2012 at 10:06 AM

        badintent:

        As long as Robinson Cano is the guy coming back to the Sox, I’m fine with the Yanks getting Pedroia. I’ll get Cherington and my boy Cash hooked up on this right away.

  6. jasoncollette - Sep 2, 2012 at 11:18 AM

    What the argument looked like

    • jasoncollette - Sep 2, 2012 at 11:19 AM

      rather, http://bit.ly/UjWFrI

  7. uyf1950 - Sep 2, 2012 at 11:18 AM

    Aceves will be in his 2nd year of arbitration eligibility after the season. What are the chances the Red Sox do NOT tender him an offer? Pretty high is my guess.

    • bigleagues - Sep 2, 2012 at 12:37 PM

      I disagree.

  8. drewzducks - Sep 2, 2012 at 11:28 AM

    Aceves also attempted two pickoff throws to Pedroia when he was no where near 2nd base. Looks like he’s pointing to the nearest exit for Fredo.

  9. dawgpoundmember - Sep 2, 2012 at 11:28 AM

    The DH is the best thing to happen to baseball!

    It’s not the same game.

    Whatever.

    But we are still good on the zero percent apr right?

    Oh yeah

  10. j0ey15 - Sep 2, 2012 at 11:36 AM

    It might be time to add by subtraction and cut Aceves

  11. yanks33 - Sep 2, 2012 at 11:39 AM

    Pedroia is a punk ass and always will be, the Sox need to can his ass along with Aceves and start fresh next season

    • 18thstreet - Sep 2, 2012 at 5:20 PM

      Glad to know you have the Red Sox’ best interests in mind.

  12. randygnyc - Sep 2, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    The constant little thread that’s found to be wound through all red sox drama is Dustin pedroia. It’s like he’s got a Napoleon complex. “Dustin, you’re an average 2nd baseman on a below average team. You’re no superstar”

    • Old Gator - Sep 2, 2012 at 12:48 PM

      Dustin just likes to see leetle peeple heeting eech ohzere. In that Beanbag clubhouse, he’s a regular combination of Judge Holden and Hervé Villachaize.

  13. exibitsman - Sep 2, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    They need to cut this punk acedveos he’s a club house cancer. Bobby V needs to pull this punk to the side and smack him around a lil bit

  14. paperlions - Sep 2, 2012 at 12:05 PM

    Seriously? That discussion is worth worrying about? Who cares? That seemed animated at best, no where near heated. It was just a discussion about positioning and pick offs….one that continued in a face-to-face sit down. A lack of communication has been a large part of the RS clubhouse problem this year, I don’t see anything negative about hashing things out so that both guys understand what the other is thinking with respect to plays at 2B and holding runners close (which Aceves was clearly worried about).

    Funnies part was Aceves yelling at Valentine for grabbing his ass. Valentine is the biggest phony in the league, makes Aceves find his own way across country after his suspension ends, and then tries to act nice. Most people don’t want petty jackasses to try to act nice to them….at least be honest in your interactions. Valentine will act like he has no idea why Aceves doesn’t like him.

    • bigleagues - Sep 2, 2012 at 12:47 PM

      It’s actually a privilege to take the team flight. Just as it is a privilege to be a MLB player. And a privilege to wear a Red Sox jersey – especially when you were non-tendered by your previous ML team.

      NONE of those things are entitlements. Even the best players, if they f-up bad enough can be deemed persona non-grata overnight by a franchise.

      That Valentine (or the front office – because neither of us really know) made Aceves find his way to California after his suspension was a test as much as it was a reminder.

      As for Valentine, apparently he can’t win in some peoples eyes – no matter what he does or doesn’t do. And it’s definitely not in the job description that he ‘be liked’ by his players. I guarantee that Terry Francona wasn’t universally liked by all his players.

      • paperlions - Sep 2, 2012 at 12:53 PM

        Those are rights that come with having a MLB contract. Teams do not restrict who gets to ride the jet or who gets per diem or any of the other standard benefits that come with being on a team.

        Of course Valentine can’t win in some people’s eyes, he’s a phony narcissist. He never changes. He’s always the same guy, and he is about promotion of himself. All you have to do to understand what anyone is about (what their motives are) is to see what they do and evaluate the commonalities of the emerging pattern. Valentine’s actions are always clear and his motives always the same. There is a reason none of his players have ever liked to play for him (he was fired from both TX and NYM because everyone there hated him, the same reason he didn’t get a job with another team for so long). He’s still the same guy.

      • bigleagues - Sep 2, 2012 at 1:19 PM

        1) An employment contract describes certain rights and responsibilities of the player as well as the team itself. If the player steps out of line, the team has the right to punish that player anyway it deems fit – within the parameters of the CBA. The Red Sox suspended Aceves for three games. The start of the Red Sox West Coast trip started within the time frame of that suspension. As such Aceves was not allowed to take the team flight. Pretty straight forward and logical to me.

        As Aceves didn’t protest the suspension I really don’t understand why anyone would make an issue of it.

        Do you believe that the Red Sox shouldn’t have suspended Aceves for what was described? (Storming out of managers office, ripping his short off, then exiting the clubhouse by slamming two doors – all of which the media could witness?)

        Of course Valentine can’t win in some people’s eyes, he’s a phony narcissist. He never changes. He’s always the same guy, and he is about promotion of himself.

        You do know that you contradict your own criticism in the span of two sentence fragments, right? He may or may not be a narcissist. But either he’s phony or he never changes. Phony people, at least in my experience, are constantly changing trying to duck, dodge criticism or adjust to their surroundings in an artificial manner.

        Valentine is a lot of things, he often sticks his foot in his mouth – which may actually actually be his biggest flaw. He’s not nearly as proficient with the non-answer answer as his predecessor (but then a lot of managers aren’t). But phony? Isn’t the reason why he takes so much heat because he is anything but phony? What you see is what you get. He often speaks without a filter. Which ironically enough, is exactly what the Boston media had been begging for after so many years of Belichek and Francona press conferences.

      • bigleagues - Sep 2, 2012 at 4:51 PM

        It simply amazes me how many people believe its a ‘right’ for a player to be allowed on the team charter when that player has been suspended from the team.

        What was it Aldo Nova once sang? Ahh yes . . .

        So forget all that you see
        It’s not reality, it’s just a fantasy.

  15. getadealdonealready - Sep 2, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    Can we get a TV crew in there similar to hard knocks, this thing is about to blow, and I want a front row seat!

  16. tooz72 - Sep 2, 2012 at 12:16 PM

    cut that no talent bean eater off the team right now

    • Sign Ahead - Sep 2, 2012 at 2:29 PM

      How does what either of these guys eat have any relevance to this discussion? Are they bringing the wrong things to the team pot-luck?

  17. cur68 - Sep 2, 2012 at 12:17 PM

    Weird how Pedrioa is coming in for all this heat. I can only assume that the commenters are fans of AL teams other than the Bo Sox (in one case, that’s pretty obvious). No way this has anything to do with Pedrioa being the problem. Someone had to tell Aceves to pitch and stop acting like he ran the infield. Dropping that popup was egregiously bad and repeatedly heaving the ball to 2nd with the Pedroia no where close only made it look worse. He’s supposed to receive that instruction from the catcher or the dugout or have some signal to Pedrioa that he’s going to throw over. Clearly Aceves is doing this on his own, given how far Pedroia is. Ordinarily telling Aceves to lay off should have been Valentine’s job. Natch he’s nowhere to be seen till after the argument has been separated by Royster. THEN when he does turn up, Aceves pretty much tells him to get lost after he does NOTHING to correct Aceves. Give Pedroia some credit here: he took the bull by the horns and tried to get Aceves to lay off with the field general stuff and kept his cool when he clearly wanted to deck the idiot. Valentine’s contribution was to be told to get lost by Aceves. At this point Pedrioa is doing more to manage the team than Valentine and clearly he has to: BV is simply ineffective as a manager.

    • badintent - Sep 3, 2012 at 2:24 AM

      Damn right.! In NYC, we call this yentas gone mad !! with some fat butt J-Lo thrown in ,mixed with some Jersey Shore Snookie pisano hangover and tossed in the garbage. Where it belongs in Staten Island Arthur Kills dump.Forget about it !

  18. bigbamboom1 - Sep 2, 2012 at 12:46 PM

    Under Tito they imploded last year. Under Bobby V, they exploded like a supernova this year. Then the owners fleeced the Dodgers into buying up most of the big contracts while dumping Papelbon in the offseason. Looks to me like the owners are preparing this team for a sell. Everything will change in 2013 IMO.

    • bigleagues - Sep 2, 2012 at 12:58 PM

      The Sox owners didn’t fleece the Dodgers owners.

      The Dodgers owners are making the practice of taking on large contracts standard operating procedure.

      But most importantly, as has been published in several accounts now, the Dogers’ Stan Kasten approached John Henry and offered to take on Beckett and Crawford’s contract in order to acquire Gonzalez. The fleecing took place when Cherington got involved and insisted on prospects to also be included in the deal.

      They let Papelbon go, because despite Papelbon’s fast-becoming historic career – Papelbon wanted more money than it is worth to pay a Closer. It was a sound business decision that was kind of been a badly kept secret in Boston for some time.

      Finally, while I have no doubt they will be selling sometime in the not-to-distant future – you don’t sell a team like the Red Sox when the franchise is in a downward spiral. It’s basically selling short (even though the recent sale of the Padres would suggest that the Sox value is now astronomical compared to 10 years ago). I believe last season, somewhere John Henry mentioned that sometime around 2018 would be his target date to get out – which is still quite a ways off.

    • koufaxmitzvah - Sep 2, 2012 at 1:00 PM

      Fleeced, huh? You got 4 minor leaguers and James Loney. Beckett struck out 9 yesterday n 6.2 and he was the least interesting pickup.

      But, yeah, if it makes you feel better. Dodgers got “fleeced.”

      What is it with Beantown? Birthplace of McCourt and his $50,000 annual expenditures on hair.

  19. scatterbrian - Sep 2, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    In other news, the A’s have won 8 in a row, 14 of 16, and are 3 back of Texas.

  20. deathmonkey41 - Sep 2, 2012 at 12:57 PM

    David Ortiz just wants to know how something like this could happen to him???

  21. joeflaccosunibrow - Sep 2, 2012 at 12:58 PM

    if you listen closely, that’s the sound of the front office lighting the fuse!

  22. willclarkgameface - Sep 2, 2012 at 1:39 PM

    I love how all these Red Sox articles start with “According to Sean McAdam of CSN New England”.

    Sean McAdam is a BOZO. Get it straight. This guy is merely around to stir shit up in Boston so people will continue to pay attention to him and “the old town team”.

    Sean McAdam SUCKS.

  23. romoscollarbone - Sep 2, 2012 at 1:58 PM

    The thing between Pedroia and Ace looked rather tame. I bet Ace sure does miss the quiet life on the Yanks though.

  24. theboysofdallas - Sep 2, 2012 at 2:53 PM

    Pedroia is just a little twerp

  25. sabatimus - Sep 2, 2012 at 4:22 PM

    So?

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