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Brandon Phillips, Jared Hughes made nice

Sep 11, 2012, 4:11 PM EDT

In the wake of the Brandon Phillips-Jared Hughes dustup with alleged racial overtones last night, peace has apparently been achieved:

 

Thanks to Andrew McCutchen for playing the United Nations in this incident.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled Pirates’ collapse.

  1. dondada10 - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:14 PM

    I’m going to assume that nothing racist was really said, and Phillips overreacted to whatever he heard or thought he heard. I’m basing that on McCutchen being the go between.

    • The Common Man - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:46 PM

      You assume that at your own peril. In reality, we know absolutely nothing more this afternoon than we did this morning. And we probably never will.

      • andrewproughcfe - Sep 11, 2012 at 7:03 PM

        @The Common Man – “You assume that at your own peril.”

        So – You think he might die because he thinks Phillips overreacted?

      • dondada10 - Sep 11, 2012 at 7:33 PM

        Andrew, I gotta admit I was worried.

    • historiophiliac - Sep 11, 2012 at 5:15 PM

      Because, you know, it couldn’t possibly be that Phillips was the bigger man and let it go and/or forgave Hughes after he apologized. No, it makes so much more sense to assume black men are too emotional. Sheesh.

      • dondada10 - Sep 11, 2012 at 5:56 PM

        I’m a basketball coach at a high school in the Bronx. I’m white. One day at practice a black player and I got into an argument, and he was very upset.

        I told him, “Bro, relax.” The kid immediately began shouting that me calling him bro was racist. If you’ve ever been to the Bronx, people say “bro” all the time.

        Later that day his mother called me. Her son and told her that I had made a racist comment.

        About a minute into the phone call, the mother told me that she didn’t think I had made a racist comment.

        I don’t like to make blanket statements, but sometimes it’s incorrect to call somebody a racist.

        What sucks is that it’s a bell that is hard to unring. I’d imagine that knowing that is why McCutchen was the peacemaker.

      • historiophiliac - Sep 11, 2012 at 7:44 PM

        I don’t think you should assume that. You don’t know all the facts, and your assumption, btw, makes the black dude the bad guy…without the facts.

      • dondada10 - Sep 11, 2012 at 8:10 PM

        My assumption does not make “the black dude the bad guy”, it makes Brandon Phillips the bad guy.

        My assumption makes Brandon Phillips the bad guy because 2 years from now Hughes will be pitching at a park and a fan will say “He was the racist a few years ago.”

        If somebody did so something as bad as make a racial slur, don’t go to twitter with it. Handle it otherwise.

      • historiophiliac - Sep 11, 2012 at 9:58 PM

        The problem with that is that Hughes may have said something bad. You want to give him the benefit of the doubt because of what happened to you. You (white guy) side with the white guy here & assume that Phillips (black guy) is wrong without knowing the facts, and that is where we have problems. Absent the facts, you can’t make a conclusion, but you do — and it’s one that seems based on your own bias. Why must you make an assumption either way? Why can’t you just be glad they worked it out and not blame someone?

      • dondada10 - Sep 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM

        I sincerely doubt that Andrew McCutchen would’ve thrown himself into the middle of this as the “peace-maker” if he hadn’t talked to Hughes first.

        I’m basing my assumption, that Hughes never intended to make a racist comment toward Phillips, on the fact that a prominent black athlete is defending him.

        The counter-argument to that is that McCutchen is his teammate, but so are 23+ other guys. It’s not as if McCutchen and Phillips are ex-teammates of any sort. In fact, you could say that the only connection between the two is that they’re black.

        I’m not siding with the white guy simply to oppose the black guy. If anything, that subjective view of white people being these oppressive hate-mongers is, you guessed, racist.

      • historiophiliac - Sep 11, 2012 at 11:46 PM

        I don’t know if you’re trying to suggest that I’m being racist, but here’s the difference between us: where that accusation seemed to really offend your white sensibilities, it does not bother me because I know you don’t know me and your logic makes no sense. I never suggested that white people are all oppressive hate-mongers. I don’t know how you make that leap. And, I don’t think you are siding with the white guy to spite the black dude. I’m taking you at face value on that. I think your thinking is more subtly motivated by your own experience & feeling wronged and maybe you don’t see that. I don’t know why it wouldn’t make sense to you that a black man would try to be the peacemaker if Hughes did say something racist. It happens, and for a variety of reasons. I remind you of the infamous beer summit at the White House…and I’m a little nonplussed that I had to use that as an illustration so maybe it’s a good time to stop.

      • badintent - Sep 12, 2012 at 1:25 AM

        @historic
        I really glad you brought up the beer summit. The black dude had been on a PBS doc the year before where he shot his mouth off at the end of the story with the phrase”the White Boys in the ivory towers”. I was real glad to see a “White Boy Cop” arrest his black ass for breaking into a house( thanks to a white caller to 911). It’s karma that the house was his own. I hope this racist is banded from PBS ( which is paid for by my taxes) and he got a free lunch with Prez Odrama so he can write a book and go on the lecture circuit with white liberal colleges.And make tons of $$ without being a pro jock. Sucker MC

    • Marty - Sep 11, 2012 at 8:24 PM

      Without details one can only be neutral. We live in sensitive times where terms like “your boy” send black leaders into fight mode.

      So, assume whatever you want with no information… at your own peril.

  2. stlouis1baseball - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:17 PM

    No…you don’t say? Can’t be? No way. Impossible.

    • delawarephilliesfan - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:27 PM

      Does this mean other tweets may turn out to have been the product of haste and jumping to conclusions?

      • kkolchak - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:42 PM

        I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Tweet that WASN’T.

  3. delawarephilliesfan - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:25 PM

    Wait, wait, wait, wait…..wait, hold on, wait…..an unsubstantiated claim only witnessed by the alledged victim may turned out to be a misunderstanding of some sorts?

    Wow, I don’t know what to say

    • The Common Man - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:46 PM

      It may have. It also may have been a case where they simply agreed to put it behind them. Or that one guy apologized to the other.

  4. dgbk - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:25 PM

    @ don

    so because a blk guy help smooth things over nothing racist was said?? that doesnt make much sense.

    so if a white guy helped, it would mean he did say something bad? maybe mccutchen said hey guys we play a game for a gazillion dollars cut it out and they decided to be mature humans.

    • thereisaparty - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:36 PM

      The only conclusion to jump to is that nothing racist was said.

      • stlouis1baseball - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:40 PM

        Yes. And the conclusion that a whole lot of people feel really guilty about their own personal success.

      • The Common Man - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:49 PM

        @thereisaparty @stlouis1baseball bullshit on both counts. there are multiple potential explanations. And people can feel good about their own success while still getting angry that there’s still a ton of racism and racist shit going on in this country.

      • thereisaparty - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:57 PM

        CommonMan:
        That was sarcasm on my part. Also, stlouis1baseball assumes I’m white.

    • stlouis1baseball - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:39 PM

      dgbk:
      What doesn’t make much sense is people actually still questioning if racism was involved.
      Specifically, if there was even a shred of racism involved Andrew McCutchen would NOT have been involved with mediating anything. Unless it was mediating his fist against Hughes’ mouth.

      • The Common Man - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:53 PM

        Really? You don’t think McCutchen might have been a leader and taken the time to explain to his teammate why what he may or may not have said was interpreted however it was? You don’t think that he would want to help to put bad blood behind these two clubs so that he won’t get plunked tonight again?

      • thereisaparty - Sep 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM

        Why wouldn’t McCutchen take part mediating? Hughes doesn’t have to be a vile, hateful person to have ignorantly used a slur. And none of us were privy to the conversation. What if it was an apology?

      • historiophiliac - Sep 11, 2012 at 5:24 PM

        Because black men always solve problems with violence? Is that what you are saying? If they didn’t respond violently, Phillips must have been lying? So, they are either liars or brawlers? If not one, then the other? Do you not even hear what you are saying?

      • stlouis1baseball - Sep 11, 2012 at 5:39 PM

        “Because black men always solve problems with violence? Is that what you are saying?”
        Ummm….NO. A big fat…NO.
        Because if he used a racial slur he deserves to be punched in the mouth.
        Wow.

        And this right here people…is why (more and more each day) I question why I still visit HBT.
        “Because black men always solve problems with violence? Is that what you are saying?”
        Geesh! I am now going to sign off and pour myself a really stiff drink.

    • dondada10 - Sep 11, 2012 at 5:58 PM

      If you were a black guy, who you defend a white guy who made a racist comment? Team be damned, I know I wouldn’t.

      • stlouis1baseball - Sep 12, 2012 at 12:10 AM

        Hell no Don. Defending anyone who made a racist comment is deplorable. People who make racist comments deserve to have their nose’s placed behind their ears. Precisely why I absolutely feel McCutchen knows his boy didn’t say anything racist.
        If so…McCutchen would have put Hughes’ nose…behind his ear.
        On a separate note…I really want to put Philiac’s nose behind his ear.
        Does this make me racist or otherwise a bad person?

  5. kevinleaptrot - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:25 PM

    Ebony,
    Ivory,
    Living in perfect harmony…..

    • delawarephilliesfan - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:30 PM

      http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/14115/

  6. indaburg - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:33 PM

    Is McCutchen available to mediate this message board?

    • cur68 - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:39 PM

      He’s got a collapse to oversee. Maybe the off season?

      • stlouis1baseball - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:42 PM

        Hahaha! So even for you Cur…their impending collapse is a foregone conclusion?
        Alert People:
        When Cur gives up hope you better grab your ankles and kiss your ass goodbye.

    • kevinleaptrot - Sep 11, 2012 at 7:33 PM

      Obama should send McCutchen to Chicago to mediate the teachers strike.

  7. The Common Man - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:45 PM

    God, you people are idiots. Just because Hughes and Phillips have put it behind them doesn’t mean a damn thing. We still know absolutely nothing more this afternoon than we knew this morning. We don’t know if there were apologies. We don’t know if they agreed to disagree. We don’t know if there was a misunderstanding and Phillips was wrong. But pretending that you definitively know what went down based on your gut feelings about Phillips and about how race is handled in America continues to tell me that you guys have some racial baggage you’d do well to unpack.

    • stlouis1baseball - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:51 PM

      TCM:
      The only baggage I can definitely see is the baggage you carry around trying to pigeon hole everyone. It is baggage that is obviously dragging you down.
      I realize some people only empathize with others when their is some perceived “common ground” to empathize with.
      This in mind…say these things with me very slowly.
      Everyone. Is. Not. Racist.
      Sometimes. There. Are. Misunderstandings.
      It. Is. Okay. To. Disagree.

    • cur68 - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:56 PM

      Easy there, Common. Yeah, its like you said, but I’ve had a bellyful of the whole thing already, as have most people (reasonable and unreasonable alike, I bet). Since Phillips and Hughes can play nice and make up (even if it’s likely it did take McCutheon to see that’s how it unfolded) I’m kinda hoping we all let this one go.

    • thereisaparty - Sep 11, 2012 at 5:04 PM

      RE: Common Man
      The level of subconscious racism in this nation is still staggering. Comment threads like the one earlier today help remind me

      • cur68 - Sep 11, 2012 at 5:17 PM

        See, I don’t know if its racism or just a kind of intellectual laziness. Its easy to assume that Phillips is a bit of a nut who’ll go off all butt-hurt into a tirade against racism if he feels slighted in some way. That way, rather than acknowledge that there might be a problem symptomatic of a much larger problem, you can just dismiss Phillips as a nut. I bet if it was clear, John Rocker clear, what was said and by whom, a goodly number of those comment threads read differently. But, because there’s some work involved, some mental lifting to do, you get what we got there.

        With that out of the way, I love how its the guy with the dreads brokering peace. Bob Marley would have been proud.

  8. elmo - Sep 11, 2012 at 4:48 PM

    Well, that was awkward.

  9. stlouis1baseball - Sep 11, 2012 at 5:41 PM

    Bob Marley should be proud Cur. McCutchen is a straight up dude.

  10. vikesfansteve - Sep 11, 2012 at 6:19 PM

    Phillips is full of shit, point blank.

  11. cggarb - Sep 11, 2012 at 6:43 PM

    There are about a half dozen possible explanations for what happened, some much more likely than others:

    – McCutchen: “Brandon, he said ‘xxx.’ That’s what YYY heard too. I believe him.”
    – McCutchen: “I’ve explained to Hughes why he shouldn’t say that to black men. He’s sorry.”
    – McCutchen: “Jared, we need to focus on baseball. I know you didn’t say what he thinks you said, but apologize anyway.”
    – McCutchen: “You guys are both looking stupid. We’ll settle it some other time, but let’s make this go away now.”
    – McCutchen: “Brandon, for some reason, Hughes calls everyone ‘boy,’ black and white. I had told him it was okay among us.”
    – Hughes: “I’m a racist jerk. Live with it, forgive me, whatever.”
    – Phillips: “I”m a race-baiting jerk who made the whole thing up. Sorry, bro. Please forgive me.”

    All of those conversations could possibly end up with Phillips’ statement from this afternoon. Some are obviously (much) more likely than others, but if you can’t see how most of them are plausible – if you think “It’s definitely the last one,” then you have your own issues to work out.

    • stlouis1baseball - Sep 12, 2012 at 12:25 AM

      cggarb: You sir…are the Man. Your post is a work of art. Outstanding!
      Please know I am a big fan of each explanation.
      That in mind…I have TWO favorites.

      #1 & #1A:
      “McCutchen: “Brandon, for some reason, Hughes calls everyone ‘boy,’ black and white. I had told him it was okay among us.”

      “if you think “It’s definitely the last one,” then you have your own issues to work out.”

      Both are direct commentaries on society in general.
      And for the record…I still very much want to punch Philiac in his cocksucker.

  12. ningenito78 - Sep 11, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    I would to know what was actually said, because until further notice Brandon Phillips is that race card guy.

  13. randygnyc - Sep 11, 2012 at 7:07 PM

    I’m pretty sure I know what was said, but because the state of the union is as divided as it is, I’ll refrain from any further comment about race.

  14. ugglasforearms - Sep 11, 2012 at 7:32 PM

    “People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along?”
    Rodney King

  15. ravensoriolesnation - Sep 11, 2012 at 8:17 PM

    WHITE OR BLACK SHOUD NOT MATTER : NICE TO SEE THEY COMMUNICATED AND CLEARED THINGS UP , BITTERNESS IS A DARK STATE OF MIND

  16. raider2124 - Sep 11, 2012 at 8:20 PM

    Typical that someone black calls someone white a racist. Your right Phillips America is spooking racist that we elected an incompetent idiot a’s a president. The same racist white America go see you play each ANC every night while only making 1/100 of what you make in a year. I am so sick and tired if the word racism that every time I hear it, I assume it’s a lie and will never believe the messenger. Between al sharpron and jesse Jackson using it every other word. I cannot stand it. I have come to the belief in that people who say the word racism, it is an excuse used by dome to blame others for their failures.

  17. raider2124 - Sep 11, 2012 at 8:25 PM

    Just to prove my point. Yesterday a principal of a school called peanut butter and jelly sandwiches of all things racist

  18. randygnyc - Sep 11, 2012 at 8:33 PM

    Apparently, he called him “boy”.

  19. raider2124 - Sep 11, 2012 at 9:01 PM

    Apparently black guys cannot be called boy because it’s racist. Maybe they would prefer to be called girl.

  20. dutchman45 - Sep 11, 2012 at 11:13 PM

    Anyone see Brandon Phillips one man demolition of the Bucs tonite? He was not smiling and all business . I am proud of him and the way he plays the game. Best second baseman I have seen in the field in 51 years of watching the game. Hope all is peaceful as there is enough nonsense and racial problems in the world. One more thing most important:the JollybRoger not flying tonite. Go Reds!

  21. Chris Fiorentino - Sep 12, 2012 at 1:42 AM

    In reading the actual blog post, it sounds like Hughes said something to the effect of “Blah, blah, blah boy!!” Using the term “boy” to refer to a black man is racially insensitive. Period. Whether he apologized or not, it is not something that should just be glossed over and it is something that the league should definitely look into. I am not saying Hughes is a racist. What I am saying is that Hughes used a racially insensitive term to refer to Phillips directly.

    Don’t be surprised if this isn’t the end of this story.

  22. ningenito78 - Sep 12, 2012 at 11:14 AM

    Dutchman45- try watching Robinson Cano sometime.

  23. raider2124 - Sep 12, 2012 at 6:09 PM

    At Louis baseball you are a racist. Why dinghy assume mccutchen can fight, because he’s black. Please, Hughes knocks him out one punch

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