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	<title>Comments on: Strasburg&#8217;s doctor: there are no studies supporting the Nats decision to shut him down</title>
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		<title>By: natstowngreg</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 21:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apologies. Need to remember to check for updates to the post first. 

*bangs head against wall*

Still, few will see the update, where Dr. Yocum corrects the original (erroneous) report. That is unfortunate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies. Need to remember to check for updates to the post first. </p>
<p>*bangs head against wall*</p>
<p>Still, few will see the update, where Dr. Yocum corrects the original (erroneous) report. That is unfortunate.</p>
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		<title>By: natstowngreg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[natstowngreg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 21:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for posting the link to Kilgore&#039;s piece, even if hardly anyone will see it. I&#039;ve been waiting for Craig or one of the other bloggers to post on this, since it answers the questions about the extent to which Dr. Yocum was consulted. As I suspected, it was just a misunderstanding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting the link to Kilgore&#8217;s piece, even if hardly anyone will see it. I&#8217;ve been waiting for Craig or one of the other bloggers to post on this, since it answers the questions about the extent to which Dr. Yocum was consulted. As I suspected, it was just a misunderstanding.</p>
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		<title>By: avietar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[avietar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 21:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Yocum further notes that it’s GM Mike Rizzo who came up with the 160 inning shutdown standard himself. That he imposed it in the case of Jordan Zimmermann, and that he’s doing the same with Strasburg without the aide of any medical directive.&quot;

AID, Craig, not &quot;aide.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yocum further notes that it’s GM Mike Rizzo who came up with the 160 inning shutdown standard himself. That he imposed it in the case of Jordan Zimmermann, and that he’s doing the same with Strasburg without the aide of any medical directive.&#8221;</p>
<p>AID, Craig, not &#8220;aide.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: vercmj</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vercmj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to www.washingtonpost.com, a Post by Adam Kilgore, who is &quot;The Washington Post&#039;s&quot; Nationals main reporter posted at 6:53 p.m. on September 13, Link:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2012/09/13/dr-lewis-yocum-clarifies-role-in-stephen-strasburg-shutdown-decision/ &quot;The Los Angeles Times earlier reported that Yocum said the Nationals never asked him about Strasburg’s innings limit. This evening, Yocum, who is based in Los Angeles, released a statement to the Times regarding his role:
 
“I would like to correct the misimpression generated from today’s L.A. Times article, that I have not been a participant in discussions with the Washington Nationals regarding the recovery strategy for pitcher Stephen Strasburg.  In fact, I have been contacted repeatedly and have had numerous discussions with the Nationals GM Mike Rizzo and the team’s medical personnel, as recently as mid-August.  While the final decision was up to the team, as is standard practice, I was supportive of their decision and am comfortable that my medical advice was responsibly considered.”

Dr. Yokum repeatedly was consulted by the Washington Nationals GM, Mike Rizzo, as recently as mid-August, about shutting down Stephen Strasburg. Of course, Dr. Yokum is not going to give an exact number of innings when Strasburg should be shut down. As Dr. Yokum said, that is a team decision, but, in general, Dr. Yokum is supportive of what the Nationals did, and Dr. Yokum, medically supports the Nationals decision. How many times does this have to be said. There is no story here. You are trying to get one, when there is not one. This is typical sensationalism journalism. I am sick of it. It’s one reason people do not give blogs credence nor watch television news and television sports commentators; they are sensationalism promoters, instead of news reporters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com</a>, a Post by Adam Kilgore, who is &#8220;The Washington Post&#8217;s&#8221; Nationals main reporter posted at 6:53 p.m. on September 13, Link:  <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2012/09/13/dr-lewis-yocum-clarifies-role-in-stephen-strasburg-shutdown-decision/" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2012/09/13/dr-lewis-yocum-clarifies-role-in-stephen-strasburg-shutdown-decision/</a> &#8220;The Los Angeles Times earlier reported that Yocum said the Nationals never asked him about Strasburg’s innings limit. This evening, Yocum, who is based in Los Angeles, released a statement to the Times regarding his role:</p>
<p>“I would like to correct the misimpression generated from today’s L.A. Times article, that I have not been a participant in discussions with the Washington Nationals regarding the recovery strategy for pitcher Stephen Strasburg.  In fact, I have been contacted repeatedly and have had numerous discussions with the Nationals GM Mike Rizzo and the team’s medical personnel, as recently as mid-August.  While the final decision was up to the team, as is standard practice, I was supportive of their decision and am comfortable that my medical advice was responsibly considered.”</p>
<p>Dr. Yokum repeatedly was consulted by the Washington Nationals GM, Mike Rizzo, as recently as mid-August, about shutting down Stephen Strasburg. Of course, Dr. Yokum is not going to give an exact number of innings when Strasburg should be shut down. As Dr. Yokum said, that is a team decision, but, in general, Dr. Yokum is supportive of what the Nationals did, and Dr. Yokum, medically supports the Nationals decision. How many times does this have to be said. There is no story here. You are trying to get one, when there is not one. This is typical sensationalism journalism. I am sick of it. It’s one reason people do not give blogs credence nor watch television news and television sports commentators; they are sensationalism promoters, instead of news reporters.</p>
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		<title>By: delawarephilliesfan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[delawarephilliesfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right there with ya, brother. 

I was actually going to pick another one,  but that guy had the catchiest URL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right there with ya, brother. </p>
<p>I was actually going to pick another one,  but that guy had the catchiest URL</p>
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		<title>By: sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tendons don&#039;t know when they are in playoff races.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tendons don&#8217;t know when they are in playoff races.</p>
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		<title>By: sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 14:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chiropractors aren&#039;t REAL doctors, so no harm done here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chiropractors aren&#8217;t REAL doctors, so no harm done here.</p>
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		<title>By: 12strikes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[12strikes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 12:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@pdowdy83 - I have zero problems with him pitching at the end of last season.  my point is, if he could pitch last season, take the winter off and pitch 5 1/2 months this season, how can they say that pitching another 2 months is bad?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@pdowdy83 &#8211; I have zero problems with him pitching at the end of last season.  my point is, if he could pitch last season, take the winter off and pitch 5 1/2 months this season, how can they say that pitching another 2 months is bad?</p>
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		<title>By: alexb64</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alexb64]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 01:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay &amp; AGAIN, I was not seriously saying it was possible. I thought I made that clear, but I guess not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay &amp; AGAIN, I was not seriously saying it was possible. I thought I made that clear, but I guess not.</p>
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		<title>By: mrbiz8505</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mrbiz8505]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 21:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But they weren&#039;t in a playoff race the yr they shut down Zimmerman....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But they weren&#8217;t in a playoff race the yr they shut down Zimmerman&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: bringingthepain</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/13/strasburgs-doctor-there-are-no-studies-supporting-the-nats-decision-to-shut-him-down/comment-page-1/#comment-364021</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bringingthepain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 21:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This has nothing to do with baseball,doctors, or the boys arm.  This is all his agent Boras doing.  Protecting his investment so he can get another deal out of him.  Plain and simple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has nothing to do with baseball,doctors, or the boys arm.  This is all his agent Boras doing.  Protecting his investment so he can get another deal out of him.  Plain and simple.</p>
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		<title>By: chadjones27</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chadjones27]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 21:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rizzo had to make some, if not all, of this public. He wanted Strasburg shut down. The questions would be asked why. And I doubt anyone in the media would have accepted, &quot;because I am the law!&quot; So, Rizzo would have had to explain why.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rizzo had to make some, if not all, of this public. He wanted Strasburg shut down. The questions would be asked why. And I doubt anyone in the media would have accepted, &#8220;because I am the law!&#8221; So, Rizzo would have had to explain why.</p>
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		<title>By: pdowdy83</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pdowdy83]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 20:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[12strikes, bringing Strasburg back last year makes PERFECT sense.  His rehab was only partially done when the minor league season ended last season and so they brought him back to finish pitching through his rehab.  A lot of people are missing a lot of points with this story.

The Mets are shutting down Harvey at 170 innings.  There is talk about the Cubs shutting down Samardjza.  The Nationals shutting down Strasburg is on that same plan.  He has never pitched more than 120 innings in a season so they gradually build up his arm.  I don&#039;t understand why so many people have latched on to the TJ surgery aspect and not the fact that he has no career base for innings at this stage.  The only thing the TJ surgery really has to do with it is it kept him from building that base of innings in his rookie season and last year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>12strikes, bringing Strasburg back last year makes PERFECT sense.  His rehab was only partially done when the minor league season ended last season and so they brought him back to finish pitching through his rehab.  A lot of people are missing a lot of points with this story.</p>
<p>The Mets are shutting down Harvey at 170 innings.  There is talk about the Cubs shutting down Samardjza.  The Nationals shutting down Strasburg is on that same plan.  He has never pitched more than 120 innings in a season so they gradually build up his arm.  I don&#8217;t understand why so many people have latched on to the TJ surgery aspect and not the fact that he has no career base for innings at this stage.  The only thing the TJ surgery really has to do with it is it kept him from building that base of innings in his rookie season and last year.</p>
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		<title>By: sgtr0c</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sgtr0c]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 20:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is so hard to get to the world series, so hard......    It is a diservice to the Nat fans, not to to use any and all talents available to them.  Especially, during a season the have set themselves up so nicely.  It is so hard to get there, anything can happen in future years, their time is now.  And they shut down their ace.......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is so hard to get to the world series, so hard&#8230;&#8230;    It is a diservice to the Nat fans, not to to use any and all talents available to them.  Especially, during a season the have set themselves up so nicely.  It is so hard to get there, anything can happen in future years, their time is now.  And they shut down their ace&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 20:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I get that.  Saying &quot;bah, who needs him we&#039;ll still win not 1, not 2, not 3.....&quot; isn&#039;t exactly caution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get that.  Saying &#8220;bah, who needs him we&#8217;ll still win not 1, not 2, not 3&#8230;..&#8221; isn&#8217;t exactly caution.</p>
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		<title>By: florida727</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[florida727]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 20:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Baseball people are, by nature, statistic freaks (see: Bean, Billy).  So here&#039;s some math/stats for you...

160 innings.  6 innings per outing = 26.6 (call it 27) starts.  Pitching once every 5th GAME (not DAY) = 135 games.  Last I checked, they play 162.  That means they&#039;d NEVER have Strasburg for pennant chase, let alone the post-season.  Eventually, Rizzo will wise up.  Either that, or don&#039;t start him until, what, July?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baseball people are, by nature, statistic freaks (see: Bean, Billy).  So here&#8217;s some math/stats for you&#8230;</p>
<p>160 innings.  6 innings per outing = 26.6 (call it 27) starts.  Pitching once every 5th GAME (not DAY) = 135 games.  Last I checked, they play 162.  That means they&#8217;d NEVER have Strasburg for pennant chase, let alone the post-season.  Eventually, Rizzo will wise up.  Either that, or don&#8217;t start him until, what, July?</p>
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		<title>By: alexb64</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alexb64]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 20:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...You’d think that would be a perfectly justified use of research money &amp; time.” I&#039;m going to teach you a neat little trick about internet comments, not everything someone says is meant seriously. Sometimes people will drop hints of this by saying things, just for example, that it would be perfectly justified to use medical research money &amp; time to study the effect of innings on young pitchers&#039; arms for no other reason than that they make a lot of money &amp; their employers don&#039;t want to pay them to not be valuable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;You’d think that would be a perfectly justified use of research money &amp; time.” I&#8217;m going to teach you a neat little trick about internet comments, not everything someone says is meant seriously. Sometimes people will drop hints of this by saying things, just for example, that it would be perfectly justified to use medical research money &amp; time to study the effect of innings on young pitchers&#8217; arms for no other reason than that they make a lot of money &amp; their employers don&#8217;t want to pay them to not be valuable.</p>
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		<title>By: sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 20:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Again, this guy pitches in 20% of the games, and about 66.7% of the innings in those games. In the playoffs if it might go up to 25% of the games, but the Nats have some pretty nice alternatives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, this guy pitches in 20% of the games, and about 66.7% of the innings in those games. In the playoffs if it might go up to 25% of the games, but the Nats have some pretty nice alternatives.</p>
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		<title>By: woodenulykteneau</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[woodenulykteneau]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 20:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure, right after you pass your TOEFL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, right after you pass your TOEFL.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dangerous Mabry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Dangerous Mabry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly what criteria are you using to call Strasburg their best pitcher?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly what criteria are you using to call Strasburg their best pitcher?</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Except, of course, that he didn&#039;t say they were wrong...he just said he there wasn&#039;t sufficient evidence to make a decision.  Again, if you have to guess, it is best to act with caution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except, of course, that he didn&#8217;t say they were wrong&#8230;he just said he there wasn&#8217;t sufficient evidence to make a decision.  Again, if you have to guess, it is best to act with caution.</p>
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		<title>By: natslady</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[natslady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The headline could read, &quot;Strasburg&#039;s surgeon supports Rizzo, says shutdown could be model for future.&quot;

And the lede:   Despite a lack of conclusive medical studies, Dr. Lewis Yokum respects Mike Rizzo&#039;s decision... etc., etc.

But that slant wouldn&#039;t support your position, Craig, would it? Seriously, you should consider recusing yourself from Strasburg articles for about a year.

Yokum just did TJ on another Nats pitcher, Lucas Giolito, who is not a Boras client.  Don&#039;t you think (speculation, of course!) that if he didn&#039;t approve of Rizzo&#039;s program he would say, you are damaging my patients&#039; careers with over-caution, find another surgeon.

Also, there is NO evidence AT ALL to suggest Strasburg was misled by Rizzo.  Rizzo said in February he would follow the Zimmermann program.   Jordan Zimmermann and Stephen Strasburg live in the &lt;i&gt;same apartment building, and have discussed their situation.&lt;/i&gt;   Zimmermann talked to him about what was going to happen and how he (JZ) felt, with the difference that it was not in a pennant race.   If Strasburg was &quot;misled&quot; is was by his own wishful thinking, thinking that it might not happen.   That is very human, everyone hopes against hope that some dreaded--but certain--future event somehow won&#039;t happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The headline could read, &#8220;Strasburg&#8217;s surgeon supports Rizzo, says shutdown could be model for future.&#8221;</p>
<p>And the lede:   Despite a lack of conclusive medical studies, Dr. Lewis Yokum respects Mike Rizzo&#8217;s decision&#8230; etc., etc.</p>
<p>But that slant wouldn&#8217;t support your position, Craig, would it? Seriously, you should consider recusing yourself from Strasburg articles for about a year.</p>
<p>Yokum just did TJ on another Nats pitcher, Lucas Giolito, who is not a Boras client.  Don&#8217;t you think (speculation, of course!) that if he didn&#8217;t approve of Rizzo&#8217;s program he would say, you are damaging my patients&#8217; careers with over-caution, find another surgeon.</p>
<p>Also, there is NO evidence AT ALL to suggest Strasburg was misled by Rizzo.  Rizzo said in February he would follow the Zimmermann program.   Jordan Zimmermann and Stephen Strasburg live in the <i>same apartment building, and have discussed their situation.</i>   Zimmermann talked to him about what was going to happen and how he (JZ) felt, with the difference that it was not in a pennant race.   If Strasburg was &#8220;misled&#8221; is was by his own wishful thinking, thinking that it might not happen.   That is very human, everyone hopes against hope that some dreaded&#8211;but certain&#8211;future event somehow won&#8217;t happen.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would love to see that scenario.  TJ surgery is fairly specialized/rare compared to other invasive procedures.  More importantly, you can&#039;t evaluate recovery for MLB level pitchers by evaluating recovery for people that are not pitchers with both a history of and ability to throw a baseball 90 mph.  I&#039;m pretty sure your comment shows more about your lack of understanding of the importance of context than my understanding of rigorous experimental design.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would love to see that scenario.  TJ surgery is fairly specialized/rare compared to other invasive procedures.  More importantly, you can&#8217;t evaluate recovery for MLB level pitchers by evaluating recovery for people that are not pitchers with both a history of and ability to throw a baseball 90 mph.  I&#8217;m pretty sure your comment shows more about your lack of understanding of the importance of context than my understanding of rigorous experimental design.</p>
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		<title>By: kevinleaptrot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kevinleaptrot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Strasburg ain&#039;t going to pitch again this year.  &quot;CASE CLOSED.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strasburg ain&#8217;t going to pitch again this year.  &#8220;CASE CLOSED.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: stikolaboloni</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stikolaboloni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Countless variables in play for why he pitched poorly his last two outings. Even if you could clearly define &quot;pitching tired&quot; the argument isn&#039;t that pitching tired correlates to injuries anyway. Barring a CG, every pitcher comes out of every game at some point when they&#039;re deemed &quot;tired.&quot; In Game 1 of the season if a guy throws 8 innings and then comes out because he&#039;s tired, then goes out to start 30 more games that year and pitches 10 years in the majors.. did his career wind down because he pitched when he was tired in Game 1?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Countless variables in play for why he pitched poorly his last two outings. Even if you could clearly define &#8220;pitching tired&#8221; the argument isn&#8217;t that pitching tired correlates to injuries anyway. Barring a CG, every pitcher comes out of every game at some point when they&#8217;re deemed &#8220;tired.&#8221; In Game 1 of the season if a guy throws 8 innings and then comes out because he&#8217;s tired, then goes out to start 30 more games that year and pitches 10 years in the majors.. did his career wind down because he pitched when he was tired in Game 1?</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I&#039;ve been saying this all along, and got mocked and ridiculed by nationals fans.  Now a doctor with legit credentials is raising the same points, and gets mocked and ridiculed by nats fans.

The noise in DC is beginning to sound like a Cheezitz  commerial:  LA LALA CAN&#039;T HEAR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;ve been saying this all along, and got mocked and ridiculed by nationals fans.  Now a doctor with legit credentials is raising the same points, and gets mocked and ridiculed by nats fans.</p>
<p>The noise in DC is beginning to sound like a Cheezitz  commerial:  LA LALA CAN&#8217;T HEAR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: natstowngreg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[natstowngreg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hear hear. Someone makes a phony argument, then knocks it down.

The decision was not just about medicine. It&#039;s also about the ability of someone to perform on a Major League team. The former is the province of Dr. Yocum, Dr. Andrews, and others with vast experience in the care and treatment of orthopedic injuries. The latter is the province of Mike Rizzo and other scouts and personnel types with vast experience in evaluating baseball talent. In the end, the responsibility rested not with the doctor, but the personnel type.

Yes, the medical evidence is lacking. As Dr. Yocum suggested, the Zimmermann and Strasburg rehabs may well become the precedents. Certainly, they should spark research that will provide insights on rehabbing from TJS. Yes, Mike Rizzo made, and is responsiblefor, the decision. Duh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear hear. Someone makes a phony argument, then knocks it down.</p>
<p>The decision was not just about medicine. It&#8217;s also about the ability of someone to perform on a Major League team. The former is the province of Dr. Yocum, Dr. Andrews, and others with vast experience in the care and treatment of orthopedic injuries. The latter is the province of Mike Rizzo and other scouts and personnel types with vast experience in evaluating baseball talent. In the end, the responsibility rested not with the doctor, but the personnel type.</p>
<p>Yes, the medical evidence is lacking. As Dr. Yocum suggested, the Zimmermann and Strasburg rehabs may well become the precedents. Certainly, they should spark research that will provide insights on rehabbing from TJS. Yes, Mike Rizzo made, and is responsiblefor, the decision. Duh.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this comment shows you have less understanding of how clinical trials work than you think you do.  It&#039;s easily possible. And you should see what is researched these days, something like this would be easily justifiable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this comment shows you have less understanding of how clinical trials work than you think you do.  It&#8217;s easily possible. And you should see what is researched these days, something like this would be easily justifiable.</p>
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		<title>By: 12strikes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[12strikes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well your goal CAN’T be to win this year if you’re shutting down your best pitcher.  
“Potential Benefit”… Another name for that is World Series Championship.

Oh in case you are interested since 2000 there have been 4 WS-MVP’s that have been pitchers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well your goal CAN’T be to win this year if you’re shutting down your best pitcher.<br />
“Potential Benefit”… Another name for that is World Series Championship.</p>
<p>Oh in case you are interested since 2000 there have been 4 WS-MVP’s that have been pitchers.</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;no hard data to support that capping his innings at a random number will in fact help or hurt his career&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But what if there&#039;s data to show that Strasburg was wearing down, that he might be getting tired, and then we can show studies that &quot;prove&quot; that pitching tired has a direct increase on injuries.  Would that be enough?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>no hard data to support that capping his innings at a random number will in fact help or hurt his career</p></blockquote>
<p>But what if there&#8217;s data to show that Strasburg was wearing down, that he might be getting tired, and then we can show studies that &#8220;prove&#8221; that pitching tired has a direct increase on injuries.  Would that be enough?</p>
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