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Bobby Valentine goes to pinch-hitter with 2-2 count

Sep 16, 2012, 4:41 PM EDT

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Bobby Valentine’s quotes and actions have gotten more erratic by the day. If he isn’t complaining about Alfredo Aceves and the rest of his “weakest roster ever,” he’s making a bizarre in-game choice, like inserting pinch-hitters mid-at-bat.

That’s what he did in the seventh inning of a scoreless game today against the Blue Jays. Valentine opted to stick with a .071-hitting Jose Iglesias with a man on first and two outs in the top of the frame. However, after Pedro Ciriaco stole second base, Valentine had a change of heart, inserting Daniel Nava into the game with a 2-2 count on the hitter.

Nava, predictably, grounded out to end the frame, and the Red Sox went on to lose 5-0.

Now, the Red Sox were 66-80 anyway. They’re certainly at the point of the season at which they should be evaluating youngsters. No, that one at-bat isn’t going to tell us much more about Iglesias than we already know (he’s not ready to hit in the majors), but if you’re going to let him start it, then you sure as hell ought to let him finish it.

Instead, Valentine chose to embarrass his young shortstop nationally. Make no mistake: he knew when he made that move that the Boston media was going to take it and run with it. No, maybe it won’t make Sportscenter, but everyone in the baseball community was going to notice it. Blown out of proportion or not, the Red Sox manager made a statement that he has no faith at all in Iglesias’ ability to hit.

At this point, it’s really a sick joke that the Red Sox haven’t fired Valentine. Everyone assumes it’s coming as soon as the season ends anyway, so why keep up the charade?

  1. cosanostra71 - Sep 16, 2012 at 4:43 PM

    is this real life

    • ptfu - Sep 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM

      Is this just fantasy?
      Caught in a landslide
      No escape from reality
      Open your eyes
      Look up to the skies and see
      I’m just a poor boy, I need no sympathy
      Because I’m easy come, easy go
      Little high, little low
      Any way the wind blows, doesn’t really matter to me, to me

  2. randygnyc - Sep 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM

    Valentine knows his players better than the media. STOP SECOND GUESSING THIS GENIUS!! Ownership can end this distraction by announcing the multiple year extension valentine has earned.

    • Old Gator - Sep 16, 2012 at 5:18 PM

      The league is getting kinda crowded with geniuses lately, dontcha think? Let’s not be so…liberal…in our assessments.

      • sdsockers - Sep 16, 2012 at 10:51 PM

        “Crowded”? Hmmm, I’m not sure about that, you might want to be more …’conservative’… in your estimate.

    • raysfan1 - Sep 16, 2012 at 5:53 PM

      …sayeth the Yankee fan!

  3. illadelphiasphinest - Sep 16, 2012 at 4:56 PM

    Bobby V is a tool. Actually hes not even worthy of that label. He’s an idiot, bafoon, sped, moron.

    • cosanostra71 - Sep 16, 2012 at 4:58 PM

      He seems like more of a jabroni to me.

    • mazblast - Sep 16, 2012 at 7:21 PM

      What a maroon!—Bugs Bunny

      • yahmule - Sep 16, 2012 at 9:50 PM

        A regular Tarara GOON de ay!

      • bozosforall - Sep 16, 2012 at 10:41 PM

        Yet Bobby is still smarter than the crybaby Boston fan base.

      • bigharold - Sep 17, 2012 at 6:05 PM

        “… Tarara GOON de ay!”

        Outstanding, .. I haven’t heard that one in 35 years. You made my day.

    • cur68 - Sep 16, 2012 at 8:46 PM

      Womp rat?

  4. thebadguyswon - Sep 16, 2012 at 4:59 PM

    Is this early stage dementia?

  5. professor30 - Sep 16, 2012 at 5:06 PM

    The fact that this clown still has a job speaks volumes about Larry Lucchino. Might as well resign Valentine while your check book is out.

    • vallewho - Sep 16, 2012 at 5:55 PM

      I hope they give him a 5-year extension. Fun times.

  6. mickeylolich1968 - Sep 16, 2012 at 5:14 PM

    The big problem is they can’t/won’t get Larry Lucchino out of the General Manager’s chair.
    Ben Cherington should run the baseball business.
    Larry Lucchino should be in charge of commemorative plaques and brick sales.
    If this is not rectified Ben Cherington will soon bolt Fenway in Theo’s gorilla suit.

    • teaspoon1731 - Sep 16, 2012 at 6:21 PM

      didn’t you post almost exactly the same comment on the article about lucchino’s extension?

      • mickeylolich1968 - Sep 16, 2012 at 7:04 PM

        Yes, a “cut and paste-piss and moan”

    • bozosforall - Sep 16, 2012 at 10:46 PM

      Yet Lucchino is the only man known to have World Series rings (Orioles ’83, Red Sox ’04 and ’07)[7], a Super Bowl ring (Redskins ’83) and a Final Four watch (Princeton, ’65). You, meanwhile, are a pathetic Boston loser who has nothing.

      • mickeylolich1968 - Sep 17, 2012 at 6:22 PM

        I’m not a Boston loser, I’m a Detroit loser and happy at that.
        Also, as for having nothing sir, it is not true fo rI have you, to be clueless comic straight man to my most excellent wit! (Think, like, you know, Bud Abbot to Lou Costello, Oliver Hardy to Stan Laurel, Elmer Fudd to Bugs Bunny.)

      • bozosforall - Sep 17, 2012 at 9:35 PM

        Dream on, loser.

  7. j0esixpack - Sep 16, 2012 at 5:26 PM

    It’ll be a loonnnngggg time before Red Sox players take a player’s manager like Francona for granted again.

    Might as well let that sink in a little longer for the players. Besides, what’s to be gained by brining in an internal interim coach?

    • teaspoon1731 - Sep 16, 2012 at 6:39 PM

      The whole beer and chicken thing was blown way out of proportion (since the ’04 Sox were doing worse and managed to win a world series). Yeah, they had a horrible collapse in September, but they missed the playoffs by one game. A game they were winning until the rain delay. A game they didn’t need if the Yankees won, which was also happening until rain delay. One win and none of that would have mattered. One win and we never would have had to deal with Bobby Valentine.

      • thebadguyswon - Sep 16, 2012 at 7:54 PM

        This is still on those players. Sure, Valentine needs to go and was the wrong choice. But the players are the problem in Boston; not Bobby Valentine. The media creates a frenzy around BV because he is good copy….but it takes focus away from the real problem.

        It still amazes me how people give Theo Epstein a pass when he was the one that created this mess. And once it started going bad, he bailed!

    • baseballisboring - Sep 16, 2012 at 9:57 PM

      I don’t think they’re doing the team any harm by not letting him go. It’s just stupid that they haven’t, since it’s clearly about pride at this point. Am I wrong to assume that? He’s already lost the clubhouse, fans and media. Bone headed moves like these aren’t helping his case, and he seems well aware of it.

  8. Stiller43 - Sep 16, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    I sometimes do that in my video game when it goes to 0-2 or 1-2 so the guy i like better doesnt get a strikeout on his stats…

  9. proudlycanadian - Sep 16, 2012 at 5:38 PM

    The Sox were having trouble scoring, so Bobby V decided to try something different. Lester pitched a fine game for the Red Sox. He had only given up 1 hit (to Vizquel) before he gave up a 2 out single to Yan Gomes in the bottom of the 7th. (Gomes is still below the Mendoza line.) Pinch runner Rajai Davis naturally stole second and was driven home by a Vizquel single. Toronto’s rookie SS Hechavarria (a favorite of Matthew’s) then hit his second career homer to put the game out of reach. Hechavarria and Inglesias had been team mates on the Cuban national junior team. Inglesias had to play second on that team. The old timer Vizquel, who is best known for his glove, is now only 1 hit behind Babe Ruth in all time career hits. Vizquel thinks that Hechavarria has a fine future ahead of him. Vizquel who wants to be a manager, did not discuss Bobby V; however, I suspect that he thinks that he would do a better job.

  10. hojo20 - Sep 16, 2012 at 5:51 PM

    “Valentine chose to embarrass his young shortstop nationally.”

    He wasn’t embarrassed nationally. No one watched the game with the Patriots & the NFL on at the same time. Only the media cares about it.

    • teaspoon1731 - Sep 16, 2012 at 6:25 PM

      The game was in Toronto, so I imagine he embarassed Iglesias in front of the entire canadian population watching. So there are now five people in Saskatoon thinking that poor kid will never make it in the majors.

      (And yes, I realize the lack of truth there, I just really like saying Saskatoon)

      • mazblast - Sep 16, 2012 at 7:27 PM

        I know what you mean about “Saskatoon”. One of my favoritesto say is driving into/out of Milwaukee on I-94 and seeing the Wauwatosa Wawa Towa.

      • proudlycanadian - Sep 16, 2012 at 7:41 PM

        This just in, the entire population of Thunder Bay feels sorry for the kid. Thunder Bay knows what it is like to be in the middle and ignored. PS I have never been there as east/west flights always fly over it.

      • nbjays - Sep 16, 2012 at 8:48 PM

        Not to mention that the entire population of Saskatoon was actually crying into their Kokanee’s over the Roughriders getting beat and the NHL lockout, so no one was watching the Jays’ game anyway.

      • cur68 - Sep 16, 2012 at 8:49 PM

        What about Winterpeg? Don’t forget poor ole Winterpeg. No one likes that place: it the redheaded stepchile of middle Canuckistan.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Sep 16, 2012 at 10:03 PM

        so I imagine he embarassed Iglesias in front of the entire canadian population watching. So there are now five people in Saskatoon thinking that poor kid will never make it in the majors.

        Expect a severed beaver head from cur when you wake up in the morning. You’ve been warned…

      • bjbeliever - Sep 17, 2012 at 11:01 AM

        Now that we got these new fangled things called internet and television its likely most of Boston is in the know, likewise im sure 30 teams worth of scouts/players/managers have now either heard about it or saw it… addition of course to the five people in Saskatoon

    • bozosforall - Sep 16, 2012 at 10:49 PM

      They were watching another loser team (the Pats). Hahaha

    • cur68 - Sep 17, 2012 at 2:00 AM

      Please ignore bozo, everyone. I found out the other day that he’s 12. Best not to get into a war of words with an acne ridden kid, eh? However I did find that his mom’s a classy lady. Real limber, too.

      • clevelandrocks1 - Sep 17, 2012 at 3:39 PM

        Now let’s leave the mothers out of this!

  11. proudlycanadian - Sep 16, 2012 at 5:56 PM

    Another interesting move by Bobby V. was to send out Bard to pitch in the 8th. The Jays have owned Bard since last September. Not surprisingly, he could not get anyone out, so the Jays scored another 2 runs.

  12. muir6 - Sep 16, 2012 at 6:07 PM

    Put him down

    • mickeylolich1968 - Sep 16, 2012 at 7:13 PM

      Do you mean, “send him down”, as to infer triple A Pawtucket?
      Or do you mean, “put him down”, as one would with a lame horse?
      Either way, the post works.

    • mazblast - Sep 16, 2012 at 7:29 PM

      Ok, I’ll put him down. Bobby, you’re ugly and your mother dresses you funny.

  13. theskinsman - Sep 16, 2012 at 6:09 PM

    This is funny. People thinking for a second Valentine cares if a guy who can’t and won’t ever be a hitter gets pulled for a pinch hitter.Or sending bard out to pitch more batting practice. What is there to lose? Might as well see who lokks like they might be able to contribute, and who can go to L.A. next,

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Sep 16, 2012 at 10:05 PM

      While I can’t speak for Bard, Iglesias was considered one of the best defensive SS in the minors. And people need to realize that SS isn’t the same as it was it the late 90s with Arod/Jeter/Nomar/Tejada. It’s reverted back to a defensive first position, with the bat being a bonus (like catchers) so Iglesias still has a ton of value. No sense embarrassing your SS on national TV however.

  14. melsh13 - Sep 16, 2012 at 6:11 PM

    This is starting to remind me of when Homer Simpson intentionally put on 300 pounds to get out of working …

  15. mophatici - Sep 16, 2012 at 7:04 PM

    now, i hate bobby v as a manager as much as the next man, but this tactic was used many times in the 80s. the game is different now, making such strategies obsolete, but i do not remember it being a big deal when herzog, zimmer, or larussa did it.

    • mazblast - Sep 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM

      That doesn’t mean it’s right, or that it works. LaRussa in particular came up with lots of “new ideas” that flat out didn’t work.

      Pinch-hitting is tough enough, but doing so with two strikes on you is a recipe for failure. Valentine not only humiliated Iglesias, he put Nava in a bad, bad position.

    • nbjays - Sep 16, 2012 at 8:51 PM

      … and therein lieth the problem: Bobby Valentine is stuck in the ’80s. And, coincidentally, so is the Bosox loss column.

  16. hushbrother - Sep 16, 2012 at 7:30 PM

    Is there a managerial move Valentine could make that you would approve of, Pouliot?

  17. ericellers - Sep 16, 2012 at 7:36 PM

    “By the twitching of my thumbs something wicked this way comes”. I never believed in that whole curse thing ….but, if Last September until now is anything but, then I’m sure it has to do with the sox fan trying to bury the Ortiz jersey in the new stadium in 09 ? I’m certain! LOL!! O

  18. joewilliesshnoz - Sep 16, 2012 at 7:42 PM

    What a kook-show !

  19. xmatt0926x - Sep 16, 2012 at 8:48 PM

    Bobby V is baseball’s version of the Joker from Dark Knight. He knows he getting the axe at the end of the year and he’s pissed that the Sox are making him play out the string so he’s going to light the franchise on fire on the way out. Let’s face it. He also knows he’s likely managed his last MLB team. Nobody would ever risk hiring him again so he really has nothing to lose so he’s going out giving as many people the finger as he possibly can.

    • Glenn - Sep 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

      Bingo! He’s acting like a man in a lucid dream who now realizes that he can do whatever he wants and the end result will not be changed – so have fun with it.

  20. Tim OShenko - Sep 16, 2012 at 9:25 PM

    Huh. I didn’t know you even *could* put in a pinch hitter halfway through the at-bat.

  21. tfbuckfutter - Sep 16, 2012 at 9:37 PM

    If Red Sox management had gone with a pinch-manager two months ago maybe the season wouldn’t have been such a complete and total waste.

  22. jmmsr1 - Sep 16, 2012 at 9:42 PM

    I say fire the idiot NOW and don’t pay this thief any more!

    • tfbuckfutter - Sep 16, 2012 at 10:21 PM

      Since he has a contract they kind of have to live up to the terms of the contract, which means they have to pay him whether they want to or not.

      It’s not like this is Wisconsin.

  23. bozosforall - Sep 16, 2012 at 10:54 PM

    Couldn’t be happening to a more deserving bunch of asshole fans. Great to see the Pats lose today as well.

    • 1overmind - Sep 17, 2012 at 3:07 PM

      Not true. Phillies, Yankees, Raiders, Cowboys, Penn State, LSU, Heat, Lakers, Canadiens, etc…

      • bozosforall - Sep 17, 2012 at 9:34 PM

        Yes true…New Englanders are the biggest asshole fans on Earth.

    • 1overmind - Sep 19, 2012 at 6:12 PM

      I don’t care how much of a Yankee fan you are, there is NO fanbase worse than the Phillies. They booed during the Phillies World Series ring celebration. Then there’s the Phillies fan that made himself puke on an off duty cop’s daughter… throwing batteries at JD Drew… booing some hand transplant patient for not throwing a strike during first pitch, etc.

      • bozosforall - Sep 19, 2012 at 11:33 PM

        At least Phillies fans stIck by their team through thick and thin…unlike th band wagoners in Beantown.

      • 1overmind - Sep 20, 2012 at 7:37 PM

        “At least Phillies fans stIck by their team through thick and thin…unlike th band wagoners in Beantown.”

        Really? That’s why the Phillies sellout streak ended this year when they sucked?

  24. giantssb42champs - Sep 17, 2012 at 12:28 AM

    Amen brother.

  25. thatyankeedude - Sep 17, 2012 at 9:20 AM

    I liked the dark knight comparison. Some people just like to watch the world burn, well at least the team they coach in this case.

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