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Ozzie Guillen wants his hitters to quit complaining about Marlins Park

Sep 19, 2012, 11:32 AM EDT

Ozzie Guillen AP

Marlins Park is playing big and Ozzie Guillen is tired of hearing it from his hitters. Joe Capozzi of the Palm Beach Post:

“We’ve got to deal with the ballpark, and we’re going to be negative coming in here every day, ‘Oh, this ballpark is too big’?’’ Guillen asked incredulously.

“We’ve got to play in this ballpark 81 games and I don’t want to hear any more (from) my players, my hitting coach, nobody with this uniform worry about this place (being) too big. If they think this place is too big, let me know. I’ll put somebody else in who can hit bloopers behind shortstop.’’

Thing is, the whining will eventually work.  Name me one big park that has been built in the past 20 years where players complaining about it hasn’t resulted in the fences being moved in.  It happened in Comerica and Citi Field. It’s going to happen in Petco eventually.  It’s b.s. — we should have some pitchers parks in this game — but that’s how it works, no matter what guys like Guillen say.

  1. easports82 - Sep 19, 2012 at 11:36 AM

    Cut to Glavine and Maddox: “Chicks dog the long ball”

    • kiwicricket - Sep 19, 2012 at 11:39 AM

      Oops

      • Old Gator - Sep 19, 2012 at 11:53 AM

        It still works. You just need to close your eyes and imagine it.

  2. kevinleaptrot - Sep 19, 2012 at 11:39 AM

    Love him or hate him, Ozzie has a point. Same park for the home team as the visitors. But like Craig said, eventually the whiners will win and the fences will be moved in.

    • Old Gator - Sep 19, 2012 at 11:54 AM

      And then the Feesh will find other ways to leave runners stranded. It’s a tradition. If they can’t strand them with long flyouts, they’ll strand them with popups, short flyouts, double play grounders, missed bunts and strikeouts.

  3. smcgaels1997 - Sep 19, 2012 at 11:56 AM

    Regardless of the park you have to play the game. Look at SF..that ballpark while not only beautiful is cavernous but the are winning with small ball. While it does make it difficult to attract free agents so be it

  4. willclarkgameface - Sep 19, 2012 at 12:08 PM

    It’s difficult to stop bitching about the ballpark because it’s a damn travesty that it even exists in the first place. It’s horrid and Florida baseball SUCKS.

    • Old Gator - Sep 19, 2012 at 2:07 PM

      Your ignorance is showing and you sound like a skipping record with your juvenile “Florida baseball sucks” refrain. The Feesh climbed to their ’03 championship over the carcass of the Giants. Get over it. Meanwhile, Macondo Banana Massacre Field is a beautiful, spacious ballpark, fan-friendly with great sight lines, the one and only Tommy, and all sorts of amenities – if you’re a Romney/Grackleface Republican and can afford them, anyway. If you can’t, it’s ringed with great little arepa, pinchos and sausage vendors where you can pig out cheaply and happily or carry your goodies into the stadium with the blessings of the management. It’s got some of the most friendly and courteous fan service personnel I’ve ever encountered and I’ve been to most of the ballparks in the majors at one time or another. It’s got the Clevelander bar and pulchritude palace, and where else in MLB can you take solace in another Heath Bell blown save by honing your fantasies on the bikini-clad and fluffily feathered dancers right there at the ballpark? It’s a damned big improvement over Joeprodolsharklife Stadium in most aspects, that’s for sure.

      Our elected officials and their corporate pimps who made it possible to build the place against the overwhelming will of the public are bottom feeding slugs, true. But it’s difficult to bitch about them because, well, because the same public that’s bitching elected them in the first place, didn’t they? Like it or not, that building represents the will of the people. Having recalled and thrown out the mayor who oversaw its construction, said polity redeemed itself a bit. But that’s the great thing about demoligarchy, even here in Macondo: ultimately, the public gets exactly what it deserves.

      • hermitfool - Sep 19, 2012 at 2:32 PM

        The jovial and enthusiastic fans at the Feeeeeeeeeesh’s new ball park add to the fantastic baseball experience. Very much a family ball park. Our family group had as much fun as we’ve even had at a major league game. After a while, even the much-criticized esploding curiosity in center field seemed entirely appropriate. This place was built for the local fans, not for fans occasionally dropping in from points north and west.

        Why Scrooge had the good sense to go with this scheme is a mystery, but somewhere along the line he must have signed off on the idea.

        The stupid cheerleaders were the only unwelcome “innovation.” But they provided numerous opportunities for the folks in our section to boo with great gusto.

  5. steve7921 - Sep 19, 2012 at 12:08 PM

    Herzog went out and got super-fast outfielders in St. Louis and won… McGee, Coleman. It is up to the GM and Manager to field a team that gets the most out of their stadium. It still takes a couple of years to determine if it is a pitchers park or hitters park.

    • sabatimus - Sep 19, 2012 at 12:39 PM

      With Coors Field, it only took one :)

    • willclarkgameface - Sep 19, 2012 at 1:02 PM

      Wait. Are you suggesting that GMs do some eye test stuff to see if guys can actually function in a setting WITHOUT having to use computers and calculators?

      HOW DARE YOU!

      Seriously, this almost seems obvious to all of us in the armchair manager seat, but these GMs are nothing more than glorified fantasy baseball managers, always wanting to appea smarter than the next guy. The Marlins aren’t smart. We saw that last winter. I expect a repeat performance this winter.

  6. pmcenroe - Sep 19, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    hasnt happened at Target Field

    • kopy - Sep 19, 2012 at 1:39 PM

      Beat me to it.

  7. sabatimus - Sep 19, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    Ozzie hasn’t exactly created an atmosphere of “non-complaining” now has he?

  8. sfm073 - Sep 19, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    What a joke of a stadium, team and franchise. Seriously what are they going to do in 2 years when the stadium is completely empty and the team is winning 60 games and their stadium is just 3 years old?

    • Old Gator - Sep 19, 2012 at 2:13 PM

      Why’s the stadium a joke? People love it. About the only problem with it is the highway access going north on I-95, and that’s the DOT’s fault, not the team’s. We don’t like the way it was financed but it’s here, it’s staying here, we kicked out the asterisk of a mayor who oversaw its construction and so, aside from being more selective in the crooks and whores we send to the city and county councils and mayoralty in the future, might was well kick back and enjoy it.

  9. ezthinking - Sep 19, 2012 at 12:40 PM

    The Petco centerfield fence came in some a few years back.

    Philly did move there’s back.

  10. stex52 - Sep 19, 2012 at 12:47 PM

    For once, I’m with Ozzie. And I like the occasional pitcher’s park. Puts a little different spin on the game.

  11. emeraldcityfan - Sep 19, 2012 at 1:06 PM

    Mariner batters have been bitching about Safeco Field for years and it still is a pitchers park. Maybe that’s why we have a hard time attracting sluggers to play here? Naaaah…

    • willclarkgameface - Sep 19, 2012 at 1:09 PM

      That and the fact that the ballclub was run mostly in part to what wouldn’t offend Ichiro for the last decade (and it seems like everything would have). Now with that diva gone, you should move the fences in, get some more starting pitching, and COMPETE.

      • IdahoMariner - Sep 19, 2012 at 2:48 PM

        this is a ridiculous statement. Now Ichiro is responsible for the dimensions of Safeco? This might be the most sad, delusional thing I have read in a while.

  12. rooney24 - Sep 19, 2012 at 2:17 PM

    The Twins players complained a lot when Target Field opened. Then, they signed Thome, who could crush the ball out of any field, and this year added Willingham, who has more HRs at Target Field than on the road (21-13) in nearly identical PAs (299-290). They also shipped out some of the complainers (Cuddyer, Kubel). Problem solved, and no fences need to be moved.

    To be fair, Cuddyer and Kubel were likely gone either way, due to salary demands, but I am guessing the complaining didn’t help.

    • e5again - Sep 19, 2012 at 3:09 PM

      Yes, but can they bring the trees back please?

      Twins record at Target Field with trees 53-28, without trees 59-97. Coincidence?

    • JB (the original) - Sep 19, 2012 at 3:38 PM

      Huhh? Neither Cuddyer (“Mr. Team Player”) or Kubel (lucky to get 10 words out of him in an interview) complained about the park’s dimesions. They did, however complain about the trees in CF making a tough hitter’s background. Comments were made in comparing the dimensions to those at the ‘Dome, but the only real “complainer” was Morneau, who basically had to shut his trap after Thome came and started launching shots. Cuddyer wasn’t gone due to your invented “complaining”, it was due to wanting too much money for too many years for the Twin’s likings (see Torii Hunter, among others who have left under the same auspices); and Kubel, who while a good hitter (LH), is not a good (rangy) fielder in a cavernous park. The Twins were excessively LH’ed at the plate, and had signed Willingham (RH) to “replace” Cuddyer as a RH bat, and Doumit (SH) to cover for both the injured Mauer at C and the injured (and at that time “iffy”) Morneau at 1B–both positions that Kubel doesn’t play. If Mauer/Morneau/W-Ham/Doumit are all healthy, you still have 2 guys to play DH–rendering Kubel expendable (remember, Kube’s was a FA, and up for a raise, so keeping him too would have been improbable at best due to payroll).

      • e5again - Sep 19, 2012 at 5:09 PM

        Just curious, how does either of you know who the complainers are/were? I’ve never heard any of that reported on. As far as I’ve ever heard, we just know Twins hitters have complained both about the batter’s eye and the dimensions.

        I still get angry about those trees. They were one of the signature design elements of the ballpark. Removing them appears to not have affected batter’s performance, but in hindsight it seems pretty clear that they should have known better than to put them in the batter’s eye.

  13. psousa1 - Sep 19, 2012 at 4:31 PM

    All of you quit complaining – try spending $100 bucks to sit in Fenway Park. If you are over 5 foot 5 and 140 pounds it is the most uncomfortable stadium experience of your life. I’m 6’1″ 215. Not huge but I feel like I am 8 feet tall and 500 pounds trying to sit there. If you have the absolute premium seats then it is bearable. But even a simple 25 rows up is awful. Love the Sox, love looking at Fenway as soon as you walk in from the concourse but blow the friggin’ place up. Get me a Jacobs or a Camden or Pittsburgh’s stadium. Whenever I have visited another stadium I cannot get used to the fact I don’t have my knees tucked against my chest and the feeling of having a colonscopy for 9 innings.

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