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Blue Jays president: “I’m pissed off”

Sep 20, 2012, 9:47 AM EDT

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The Blue Jays and their fans have, for years, lamented the fact that in the stacked and moneyed AL East, no team besides Boston and New York stood a chance. Well, first Tampa Bay put lie to that notion and this year the Orioles and the second wild card are doing that same.

So tell us, Blue Jays President Paul Beeston, how does that make you feel?

“I’m actually pissed off about it … Everybody’s got a shot. Getting into the playoffs gives you a chance to win. A lot of teams can with the World Series, starting with the play-in game. I’m more pissed off because that could have been us.”

I bet you’re not alone in that sentiment.

  1. cur68 - Sep 20, 2012 at 9:51 AM

    Join the club, Beeston.

    • chill1184 - Sep 20, 2012 at 10:17 AM


      Fans of the Royals, Indians, Mets, Mariners, Pirates, Astros, Cubs, Padres, and Rockies

    • okwhitefalcon - Sep 20, 2012 at 11:28 AM

      The “Rasmus Effect” has taken hold North of the border.

  2. proudlycanadian - Sep 20, 2012 at 9:52 AM

    Too many injuries first to the pitchers and then to the hitters made this a difficult season. The Beast still thinks that the Jays will make the playoffs next year and will target starting pitchers in the off season.

    • dirtyharry1971 - Sep 20, 2012 at 9:04 PM

      Just make sure you keep Abe or i mean Brad Lincoln, thats the best prospect ive seen in years for the jays!!! Oh and keep dreaming about the playoffs cause thats not going to happen in your life time old man

      • proudlycanadian - Sep 20, 2012 at 9:12 PM

        Harry the mouse roars again. Yawn.

  3. KR - Sep 20, 2012 at 9:56 AM

    The “payroll” argument has always been a poor excuse. The Mets show it every year: spending lots of money doesn’t mean anything. Boston and Philly are helpfully adding to the body of evidence this year.

    • rooney24 - Sep 20, 2012 at 10:26 AM

      Just because one or two teams that spend a lot are poorly run does not mean that the payroll disparity isn’t a factor for teams. Payroll makes a difference. You still need to spend it wisely, and have a solid farm system, but it does make a difference.

      A small market team can get lucky by either developing a few good players and/or getting career years of out of guys. That will allow them to compete for a few years. But, they will then have to face tough decisions on who to keep and who to try to trade. If big payroll teams develop a good player, there is no question that they will throw a lot of money at the player to keep him. Had Robinson Cano come up with a team like the Royals or Astros, do you think they could have afforded to keep him once he was past team control? No. The Yankees never have to make a hard decision. They can always take on salary, and can throw money around to retain anybody they develop. There should be a cap, so they have to make some tough decisions once in a while.

      • bigharold - Sep 20, 2012 at 12:53 PM

        “There should be a cap, so they have to make some tough decisions once in a while.”

        Tel it to the Players Association. They’re the reason there is and likely never will be a cap.

    • Jeremy Fox - Sep 20, 2012 at 12:19 PM

      For reference, here are the correlations between team payroll and team wins for every season from 1977-2011:

      The correlation is always positive, but over time has ranged from very weak (0.7).

      The linked article makes some very interesting points about what’s driven changes in the payroll-win correlation over time. For instance, low correlations in the mid-80s correspond to when the owners were colluding to hold down free agent salaries.

      • Jeremy Fox - Sep 20, 2012 at 12:20 PM

        WordPress ate part of my comment. Should’ve said that the correlation is always positive, but over time has ranged from very weak (less than 0.2) to very strong (more than 0.7).

    • georgebrett - Sep 20, 2012 at 5:36 PM

      You are right and wrong. Yes, payroll does give you a better chance at winning but it’s who you decide to spend that money on that makes your team better or not. The Yankees spend a ton but they bring in proven talent that has been doing it each and every year, where the Mets will spend tons of money on guys that just came off a career year.

  4. dirtyharry1971 - Sep 20, 2012 at 10:01 AM

    He is pissed off? Better get used to it cause the cheap owner isnt opening up his wallet anytime soon and you should clean house in the scouting department because every can’t miss prospect falls flat on his face (just see synder, drabeck, and now gose). It would be best if you just nuke the organization and join the expos already

    • silversun60 - Sep 20, 2012 at 10:29 AM

      The cheap owner named Rogers Communications?

      • dirtyharry1971 - Sep 20, 2012 at 9:05 PM

        It doesnt matter if the catholic church owns the Jays the bottom line is they will NOT open their wallets and if you dont believe that watch what they sign over the winter. It won’t be any top free agents that much i can promise you

    • mathieug79 - Sep 20, 2012 at 10:41 AM

      first of all, drabek got tommy john surgery and right until he got it, he was pitching great, second of all how can syndergaard be a can’t miss prospect? he’s had what 2 years in pro ball? and Gose? your really gonna call quits on him with the few ABs he had? you must be a redsox fan. First of all, you missed the real can’t miss prospects…. D’arnaud who will likely start the season next year with the jays (if he’s not traded), Hecheverria is proving he can hit MLB pitching, and i think its just a matter of time before Gose can hit. We’re going to count him out like we did with travis Snider. I do agree with you on one thing, the owner’s wallet might not open after all, but redsox owner’s wallet opened up in the last 2-3 years, and gave them more problems than anything. PS if you are actually a Redsox fan, YOU CAN HAVE JOHN FARRELL ALLREADY!!!!

      • proudlycanadian - Sep 20, 2012 at 10:58 AM

        Harry is a Yankee fan. He hates the Red Sox more than he hates the Jays.

      • dirtyharry1971 - Sep 20, 2012 at 9:08 PM

        Drabek pitching great? Thats never happened on the major league level sorry junior. Gose is terrible i dont care if he had 500 at bats or 5,000. Abe or i mean brad lincoln? Yea im impressed with him as im writing this, keep him!!! Sierra? not impressed with him either, this team is a long long long way from being even a .500 team. they are going backwards instead of forward

      • mathieug79 - Oct 24, 2012 at 9:09 PM

        HAHAHA your an idiot! and probably a yankees fan!

  5. redguy12588 - Sep 20, 2012 at 10:17 AM

    Wanna hear a joke?
    Parity in the MLB

    • nategearhart - Sep 20, 2012 at 10:59 AM

      I don’t remember the last time I sat down to watch a baseball game and thought “This team has NO chance of winning this game, and there’s absolutely nothing the front office could have done differently to change that.”

      • Francisco (FC) - Sep 20, 2012 at 11:42 AM

        True but I distinctly remember thinking: “The Mets have NO chance of a winning season this year”, but that’s not payroll related…

      • natstowngreg - Sep 20, 2012 at 1:45 PM

        I had a feeling like that watching the Cubs play the Nats.

  6. hk62 - Sep 20, 2012 at 10:27 AM

    I realize I am likely in the minority on this, and I am not a Blue Jays fan, but I am totally missing on all this “promise” people see in A Gose. Yes he’s fast, yes he is a very good CF – but he’s not going to hit his weight in the MLB – looks very lost. TOR’s front office putting their hopes in Gose for anything beyond excellent defense (at a very low cost of course) is puzzling. (I know the pundents have said great things about him – just not seeing it)

    • geoknows - Sep 20, 2012 at 10:44 AM

      I will join you in that minority. Gose is the classic tools hound – a guy that you hope might one day figure out that hitting thing enough so that his speed will actually be an offensive asset. Once in a while it all comes together, but that’s the exception rather than the rule.

    • jaysjunkie - Sep 22, 2012 at 5:54 AM

      I was also pretty skeptical about his batting performance the first time ’round, but according to some CBS Sports fantasy baseball site “so far this month, in eight games, Gose is batting .381 with four steals and six runs scored. He also has his only home run in that stretch. Overall, Gose has raised his season average from .181 to .233 in those eight games.” Still striking out too much but he’s looked much better, even though it’s not a large sample size (and nor was his first time up). We have to remember that he was expected to be at Triple A for the whole season (maybe with a September callup) until the injuries hit.

  7. hushbrother - Sep 20, 2012 at 10:37 AM

    Well Paul, do a better job of assembling your team and maybe you will make the playoffs, and then you’ll feel better.

    • cur68 - Sep 20, 2012 at 11:11 AM

      He did a great job in the pre-season, him and Anthopolous. They put together a great team. The trouble is the MASH Unit that is the Beaver Wrestler roster now. The starting rotation has been KILLED by injuries. Bullpen, too. The Beav’s biggest hitter blew out his wrist. Bad backs, obliques, broken bones accounted for the rest. No one could have looked at the opening day roster and thought they would have this record (well, maybe ‘dirtyharry’ up there, but that’s ’cause he’s a chimp). But the simple fact is that the opening day roster bears little resemblance to the team playing for the past 3 months.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Sep 20, 2012 at 11:41 AM

        The starting rotation has been KILLED by injuries. Bullpen, too.

        Have there been any grumblings about how this has to be a little more than bad luck (a la the Orioles with pitching prospects the last few years?) IIRC it’s been a couple of years now that the Jays have had to do with significant pitching injuries (both majors and minors). Anything thoughts on changes/updates/training methods?

      • Francisco (FC) - Sep 20, 2012 at 11:44 AM

        No one could have looked at the opening day roster and thought they would have this record (well, maybe ‘dirtyharry’ up there, but that’s ’cause he’s a chimp).

        Cur, I must protest. That characterization you just used is insulting to chimps everywhere on the planet. I suspend you for three Jays games and you must submit to chimp sensitivity training.

      • cur68 - Sep 20, 2012 at 12:03 PM

        FC, I am not chimpaphobic. In fact, some of my best friends are chimps. Why the one I saw at the zoo the other day is a very convivial fellow. Rather than hurl his own poo like ‘harry, he hordes rocks in strategic locations to fling. His speciality is picking off fat guys, whom he seems to really loathe. Another pretty good chimp character I’ve seen is one that has learned to entice blonde women near him and then sits there “gratifying” himself while leering at them. They make me laugh. See? I like chimps just fine, I have nothing against them at all. But then I’ not fat nor am I a blonde woman. I can see how those 2 demographics might have issue. I shall serve my suspension, though. Beaver Wrestler games are so stress filled. I never know who’s going to collapse in a heap next.

        As to that point, COPO, I don’t know that the training staff really comes in for scrutiny. These are not nagging injuries that were mistreated. TJS (which the Beav should get a discounted rate for, since they bulk-buy) tends to be pretty common in pitchers who throw hard: all the guys who went down for TJS had mid 90’s stuff. Broken bones were as a result of plays. Bautista’s wrist as a result of his one handed swing. The team’s coaching staff have done a damn good job of protecting E5’s wrist with his 2 handed short-hack. Lawrie’s injuries have been as a result of playing like he’s on fire all the time. Rasmus has been great in the field, but at the cost of a sore and nagging groin injury (and probably a jammed shoulder: I think he’s hiding that). The only fault I land on them is frost biting Rajai Davis’s finger with ice. If anyone’s blaming the training staff for anything beyond that, well they’re just flinging their own poo.

      • proudlycanadian - Sep 20, 2012 at 12:30 PM

        I have to disagree slightly Cur. I think that an appropriate equivalent for Harry is a mouse.

      • bigharold - Sep 20, 2012 at 12:58 PM

        “His speciality is picking off fat guys, whom he seems to really loathe.”

        The more days suspension and “fat guy” sensitivity training.

      • cur68 - Sep 20, 2012 at 1:36 PM

        “Fat Guy Sensitivity Training”?? WTF for? Words don’t hurt (so Ive been informed repeatedly by HBT readers). They’re just words, fat people. You people can’t expect us skinnies to change the way we are just for you! What about my 1st Amendment Rights to be a Skinny Douche? At least you can do something about being fat: you can go back to FatLand, where you came from. Being fat is against god, too. If god had wanted fat people he’d have made Adam and Large Marge . . . or Fat ALbert & Eve . . . or something*.

        *gosh I hope I did all that properly. I had to look back at the comments section of several different posts to get the phrasiology just right. This stuff isn’t easy for an amateur.

      • Reflex - Sep 20, 2012 at 1:38 PM

        The MASH unit of pitching was predicted by people who pointed out that the Jays are trading for guys with timing problems and bad arm actions. The Nationals have the same issue, and can expect the MASH unit to pay them a visit as well over the next few years.

      • dirtyharry1971 - Sep 20, 2012 at 9:10 PM

        Only a a$$ clown would think the jays put together a “great team’. Not surprised you feel that way. Hope you are enjoying Lincoln tonite as much as i am, maybe he can give a better speach after the game then the way he throws

  8. number42is1 - Sep 20, 2012 at 11:09 AM

    Better than being pissed on i guess…..

  9. pondbridge - Sep 20, 2012 at 11:09 AM

    Hooray— Farrell to Sawks.

  10. dan1111 - Sep 20, 2012 at 11:10 AM

    There is definitely a relationship between payroll and success. Teams in large markets, especially NY, have an inbuilt advantage that wouldn’t exist in a perfect world.

    However, salary caps are horrible. They may create parity, but they are also collusion among owners to keep the money away from players. And this fight over who gets the money inevitably leads to play-disrupting labor disputes. Just look at the NHL at it again his season, after they just recently had a lockout.

    Baseball’s system may be imperfect, but it is much better than the alternative.

    • kellyb9 - Sep 20, 2012 at 1:15 PM

      I’m sure this will not be received well on this board, but I disagree. Most labor disputes in the NFL, NHL, or NBA have nothing to do with the salary cap issue itself. It’s usually how the league plans on dividing revenue between the players and owners. I’m wondering if it’s easier to reach an agreement in the MLB without the existence of salary floor. Some owners can throw out the bare minimum and still turn a profit. The NFL and NHL (not sure about the NBA) both have salary floors, and the NHL, in particular, has some extremely unprofitable, non-traditional hockey markets like Phoenix.

      As for keeping money away from players, have you seen the contracts in leagues with salary caps? Talented NHL, NBA, and NFL players do very well in free agency. The NFL is probably the only league where the players probably deserve more based on the revenue that each team makes.

  11. willclarkgameface - Sep 20, 2012 at 12:05 PM

    What is this guy pissed about?

    The fact that the computer geeks didn’t tell him that all these young pitchers weren’t physically able to complete 66% of a Major League season?

    I’m officially tired of the Blue Jays popping into conversation at the end of EVERY season with the “you just wait” attitude. We’re waiting. We’ve been waiting. In all that time we’ve been waiting, we’ve watched the Rays get remarkably better. The Orioles are more than competitive – they are going to the playoffs this year. We’ve seen a big spending club hit the basement. The Yankees aren’t even that good this year, scoring 47% of their runs on the long ball. This could have (and probably should have) been your year Toronto.

    Instead, you sit back and lament the season, all pissed off about the outcome. I don’t know what to tell these guys. Since 2004 it’s been the same nonsense.

    I have talked to some surface-level baseball fans and the one thing I get quite a bit is questions about Toronto.

    “Why do they have such a miserable playing surface?”
    “Why does no one go to their games?”
    “Weren’t they good?”
    “What happened?”

    I don’t think they draft well and they don’t sign good free agents and NEVER find themselves in the trade market due to having a shit farm system.

    You made this bed Toronto. Now sleep in it, in the basement, with Boston, for years to come.

    • bigharold - Sep 20, 2012 at 1:02 PM

      “The Yankees aren’t even that good this year, scoring 47% of their runs on the long ball.”

      The Yankees are in first place 22 games over .500. And, even if one ignores their injury issues that pretty good.

      • willclarkgameface - Sep 20, 2012 at 1:40 PM

        You must be a YES Network Kool Aid drinker.

        The Yankees are a mess and will appear as flat in the playoffs this year as they have the last couple, if not worse.

        They can’t manufacture runs. They wait for the homer and when you have guys hanging out on the bases with thumbs up their asses, you will look like the Red Sox teams of old, and I know you Yankees fans want NOTHING to do with that image.

      • Jeremy Fox - Sep 20, 2012 at 3:01 PM


        So, the Yankees are “a mess” and “aren’t even that good this year”, which means they’ll be…”flat in the playoffs”?

        I’m looking forward to your explanation of how a team that’s a mess and not even that good can even *make* the playoffs. In the same way that NASCAR fans look forward to crashes.

        And speaking of Toronto’s young pitchers breaking down because they aren’t “physically able to complete 66% of a MLB season”, that’s why the Rays have always relied on veterans with many years of experience, like David Price and Matt Moore and Jeremy Hellickson and Wade Davis…oh wait.

  12. jaysfan64 - Sep 20, 2012 at 1:56 PM

    As a Jays fan since day one, I can’t recall a more disappointing season than 2012 – someone described it as “annis horribilis” – that sums it up perfectly…the only things that really piss me off about this season tho are the Escobar thing, Zaun’s timing in taking a dump on the entire organization the other day, the way the Bautista injury was handled, and Buck Martinez in general…the last time I recall Beeston being “pissed off” was Alomar’s final weeks in a Jays uniform (which were ugly, for those who don’t remember)…I expect some changes for 2013 for sure (not just adding some starters but coaching changes)…tell ya, I think this club misses Hentgen’s daily presence in uniform more than they thought they would…he was a positive influence not just on the pitching staff but the whole team…

    • dirtyharry1971 - Sep 20, 2012 at 9:13 PM

      the jays were founded on disappointment, you should be used to it but if you are not. I got a crying towel i can send you cause you will need it for the next few years cause this team isnt even close

    • jaysjunkie - Sep 22, 2012 at 6:02 AM

      I share your thoughts on this being a massively disappointing season. I don’t share your thoughts on Buck (excellent IMO) and Zaun. What does his timing have to do with anything? He’s been ripping guys when they deserved it all season and I think he’s a HUGE breath of fresh air as far as not being afraid to speak his mind.

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