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	<title>Comments on: MLB really has no plan when it comes to PED punishment</title>
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		<title>By: pasta09man</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 12:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@frn27, I like your idea a lot.  Games taken away from the Team based on your WAR.  Even better, lets decrease your yearly statistical output by subtracting your WAR against your statistics.  I&#039;m talking to you Barry Bonds for an example.   If you subtract each seasons WAR against each seasons HR totals.  Bonds would have a revised carer HR total of 594 HR&#039;s rather than 762.  Still HOF worthy but not the all time Home Run King!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@frn27, I like your idea a lot.  Games taken away from the Team based on your WAR.  Even better, lets decrease your yearly statistical output by subtracting your WAR against your statistics.  I&#8217;m talking to you Barry Bonds for an example.   If you subtract each seasons WAR against each seasons HR totals.  Bonds would have a revised carer HR total of 594 HR&#8217;s rather than 762.  Still HOF worthy but not the all time Home Run King!</p>
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		<title>By: willclarkgameface</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 12:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harsher rules and bigger consequences are always on the tips of our tongues.  I say can the offender for 162 games, no pay.  And if he comes back and tests positive again, another 162 games, no pay.  

Wouldn&#039;t THAT send a message?  Like you said, those of us in the general work force would get fired for a positive test.  These guys get to take a 50 game vacation, spending the millions they already made, only to come back and have their job waiting for them.  It might not be there in playing time, but with the way these MLB contracts are allowed to exist, you ride the pine you still get paid so I ask again, what do these guys care?

The problem with all of this is that the Union will strong-arm any attempt by Bud (mostly weak attempts) to clean up the game because they know their guys are using and they don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to have such harsh penalties and that these guys need to provide for their families...boo fucking hoo...

Don&#039;t take drugs.  It&#039;s that easy.  I know most of these dopes weren&#039;t around in the 80s to hear Nancy Reagan preach about this shit, but it&#039;s true in any decade: don&#039;t do drugs.  

But again, this always comes back to the money and I just don&#039;t think Bud, the owners, the players, or the fans for that matter want the game to be clean.  And when I say fans I mean pink hat fans, the johnny-come-latelies that sit in the stands and text and use Facebook to post pictures of their $12 nachos.  

We watch a filthy, economically spoiled sport.

Now what?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harsher rules and bigger consequences are always on the tips of our tongues.  I say can the offender for 162 games, no pay.  And if he comes back and tests positive again, another 162 games, no pay.  </p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t THAT send a message?  Like you said, those of us in the general work force would get fired for a positive test.  These guys get to take a 50 game vacation, spending the millions they already made, only to come back and have their job waiting for them.  It might not be there in playing time, but with the way these MLB contracts are allowed to exist, you ride the pine you still get paid so I ask again, what do these guys care?</p>
<p>The problem with all of this is that the Union will strong-arm any attempt by Bud (mostly weak attempts) to clean up the game because they know their guys are using and they don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to have such harsh penalties and that these guys need to provide for their families&#8230;boo fucking hoo&#8230;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t take drugs.  It&#8217;s that easy.  I know most of these dopes weren&#8217;t around in the 80s to hear Nancy Reagan preach about this shit, but it&#8217;s true in any decade: don&#8217;t do drugs.  </p>
<p>But again, this always comes back to the money and I just don&#8217;t think Bud, the owners, the players, or the fans for that matter want the game to be clean.  And when I say fans I mean pink hat fans, the johnny-come-latelies that sit in the stands and text and use Facebook to post pictures of their $12 nachos.  </p>
<p>We watch a filthy, economically spoiled sport.</p>
<p>Now what?</p>
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		<title>By: willclarkgameface</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[willclarkgameface]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Braun did test positive.  

And are you going to sit there and believe that MLB players aren&#039;t a step ahead of Buddy boy&#039;s PED list?  Please.  While I don&#039;t believe that most of the individual athletes are all that smart, the chemical technicians they hire to keep them &quot;in shape&quot; are in fact smart and I do believe that the players do get the real deal conversation of what exactly is going into their bodies.  

(most) Players are NOT clean.  If you believe that, you&#039;re just silly.  There is too much money at risk and as we&#039;ve seen over the last 30 years of baseball, that&#039;s really all that matters in the end.  Any time money is involved in American conversation, it always wins.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Braun did test positive.  </p>
<p>And are you going to sit there and believe that MLB players aren&#8217;t a step ahead of Buddy boy&#8217;s PED list?  Please.  While I don&#8217;t believe that most of the individual athletes are all that smart, the chemical technicians they hire to keep them &#8220;in shape&#8221; are in fact smart and I do believe that the players do get the real deal conversation of what exactly is going into their bodies.  </p>
<p>(most) Players are NOT clean.  If you believe that, you&#8217;re just silly.  There is too much money at risk and as we&#8217;ve seen over the last 30 years of baseball, that&#8217;s really all that matters in the end.  Any time money is involved in American conversation, it always wins.</p>
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		<title>By: frn27</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[frn27]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 09:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am and have been a very avid fan of baseball and I damn well care. Harsher rules, bigger consequences period. If any working man tests positive for an illegal substance say goodbye to your job. MLB gives you two chances and still let&#039;s you win awards in the same season you get caught for using, dumb. First offense, 100 game suspension, your team gets wins taken away based on your WAR, sateam also gets fined. Make it know we don&#039;t tolerate this in the slightest. How do we know steroids make a difference? Players wouldn&#039;t be risking taking them if they didn&#039;t. If nothing else they help with injury and recovery time. This isn&#039;t rocket science. What about everyone else who is using that doesn&#039;t get caught? If they haven&#039;t gotten caught nothing you can do about them. That shouldn&#039;t be a reason or excuse to not punish the ones who did get caught. Wake up! Bring integrity to what appears to be the most dirty game in sports. You use and there ate consequences, period. Why is this so difficult to understand or implement?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am and have been a very avid fan of baseball and I damn well care. Harsher rules, bigger consequences period. If any working man tests positive for an illegal substance say goodbye to your job. MLB gives you two chances and still let&#8217;s you win awards in the same season you get caught for using, dumb. First offense, 100 game suspension, your team gets wins taken away based on your WAR, sateam also gets fined. Make it know we don&#8217;t tolerate this in the slightest. How do we know steroids make a difference? Players wouldn&#8217;t be risking taking them if they didn&#8217;t. If nothing else they help with injury and recovery time. This isn&#8217;t rocket science. What about everyone else who is using that doesn&#8217;t get caught? If they haven&#8217;t gotten caught nothing you can do about them. That shouldn&#8217;t be a reason or excuse to not punish the ones who did get caught. Wake up! Bring integrity to what appears to be the most dirty game in sports. You use and there ate consequences, period. Why is this so difficult to understand or implement?</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 03:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He could very well still be using PEDs.  The idea that just because someone has not been caught means that they are innocent is naive.  Baseball is not clean just because there is testing.  It is not hard to beat the MLB protocol.  Cycling and the Olympics have much more rigorous testing and athletes in those endeavors cheat on a regular basis.  I have no idea if Ryan Braun is cheating or not, but you cannot say for sure that he is not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He could very well still be using PEDs.  The idea that just because someone has not been caught means that they are innocent is naive.  Baseball is not clean just because there is testing.  It is not hard to beat the MLB protocol.  Cycling and the Olympics have much more rigorous testing and athletes in those endeavors cheat on a regular basis.  I have no idea if Ryan Braun is cheating or not, but you cannot say for sure that he is not.</p>
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		<title>By: Lukehart80</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lukehart80]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 03:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As someone pointed out earlier today, disqualifying Cabrera from the batting title means that Ryan Braun hit .500 or so for the next two weeks and McCutchen and Posey both slump, Braun could end up winning the Triple Crown, which would lead to some pretty hilarious doubling back and/or even more convoluted decisions by Selig.

That would be a treat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone pointed out earlier today, disqualifying Cabrera from the batting title means that Ryan Braun hit .500 or so for the next two weeks and McCutchen and Posey both slump, Braun could end up winning the Triple Crown, which would lead to some pretty hilarious doubling back and/or even more convoluted decisions by Selig.</p>
<p>That would be a treat.</p>
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		<title>By: saints97</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[saints97]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 02:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He still tested positive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He still tested positive.</p>
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		<title>By: bla bla bla</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bla bla bla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 02:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah... because now that Braun&#039;s off the juice his numbers are way dow.... no, wait, that&#039;s not it.

Oh yeah... because his numbers last year were so much better than they had ever been befo.... no, that&#039;s not it either.

Chucklehead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8230; because now that Braun&#8217;s off the juice his numbers are way dow&#8230;. no, wait, that&#8217;s not it.</p>
<p>Oh yeah&#8230; because his numbers last year were so much better than they had ever been befo&#8230;. no, that&#8217;s not it either.</p>
<p>Chucklehead.</p>
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		<title>By: dannythebisforbeast</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dannythebisforbeast]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 01:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yea what a great rule can&#039;t Play in the all star game. That only effects players caught in the first 30 -35 games. After that suspension carries thru the all star game and obviously the second half of the season rule is null.  Bud your a dope]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea what a great rule can&#8217;t Play in the all star game. That only effects players caught in the first 30 -35 games. After that suspension carries thru the all star game and obviously the second half of the season rule is null.  Bud your a dope</p>
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		<title>By: dannythebisforbeast</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dannythebisforbeast]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 01:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or an MVP... Yea I&#039;m talkin to you Ryan Fraud]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or an MVP&#8230; Yea I&#8217;m talkin to you Ryan Fraud</p>
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		<title>By: fuddpucker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fuddpucker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 01:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the most important thing to come out of this issue is that PED&#039;s are still a huge problem in baseball&#039;s cheating culture.

 If players in KC (Melky, Frenchy) are using PED&#039;s then it&#039;s just rampant throughout the league.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the most important thing to come out of this issue is that PED&#8217;s are still a huge problem in baseball&#8217;s cheating culture.</p>
<p> If players in KC (Melky, Frenchy) are using PED&#8217;s then it&#8217;s just rampant throughout the league.</p>
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		<title>By: psunick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[psunick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 00:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe so.

But, the All-Time Award for the stupidest sports rule ever?

The &quot;Tuck Rule&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe so.</p>
<p>But, the All-Time Award for the stupidest sports rule ever?</p>
<p>The &#8220;Tuck Rule&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Calcaterra</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig Calcaterra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 23:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;the rule is stupid&quot; is a silly argument. For it is a rule, just like any other baseball rule.  I think the save rule is stupid. Shall we ignore that too?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the rule is stupid&#8221; is a silly argument. For it is a rule, just like any other baseball rule.  I think the save rule is stupid. Shall we ignore that too?</p>
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		<title>By: psunick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[psunick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 23:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why on earth does Selig get blamed for this?

 - Cabrera took the steroids

 - the rule is stupid to begin with (wait until the NFL tries it for the QB rating. &quot;If he had played, and threw 40 incomplete passes, he would win!)

 - all parties agreed to this action.

I just think that, when writers have nothing to write about, they use the &quot;Bud Selig is ruining baseball&quot; angle.

But, he isn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why on earth does Selig get blamed for this?</p>
<p> &#8211; Cabrera took the steroids</p>
<p> &#8211; the rule is stupid to begin with (wait until the NFL tries it for the QB rating. &#8220;If he had played, and threw 40 incomplete passes, he would win!)</p>
<p> &#8211; all parties agreed to this action.</p>
<p>I just think that, when writers have nothing to write about, they use the &#8220;Bud Selig is ruining baseball&#8221; angle.</p>
<p>But, he isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: willclarkgameface</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[willclarkgameface]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 22:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I bet Selig got Melky and his reps behind closed doors and told them to piss and moan in public so the egg on the PED face of MLB isn&#039;t as bad as it should have been.

Melky should have won that batting title and just because Bud saw that it was probably going to happen I think he finally got off his used car salesman ass and tried to cover it up.  

Bud sucks.  We need a new commish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet Selig got Melky and his reps behind closed doors and told them to piss and moan in public so the egg on the PED face of MLB isn&#8217;t as bad as it should have been.</p>
<p>Melky should have won that batting title and just because Bud saw that it was probably going to happen I think he finally got off his used car salesman ass and tried to cover it up.  </p>
<p>Bud sucks.  We need a new commish.</p>
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		<title>By: thebadguyswon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thebadguyswon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 22:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thing is, almost every baseball fan you meet couldn&#039;t care less about PEDs. 

But the whole &quot;MLB has no plan when it comes to PED punishment&quot; shouldn&#039;t surprise anyone with Bud Selig at the helm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thing is, almost every baseball fan you meet couldn&#8217;t care less about PEDs. </p>
<p>But the whole &#8220;MLB has no plan when it comes to PED punishment&#8221; shouldn&#8217;t surprise anyone with Bud Selig at the helm.</p>
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		<title>By: Reflex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reflex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 22:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MLB are the ones who made the issue public again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MLB are the ones who made the issue public again.</p>
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		<title>By: meteor32</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[meteor32]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 22:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Enough telling the writers what they should and shouldn&#039;t post on their own blog. It&#039;s been old for quite some time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough telling the writers what they should and shouldn&#8217;t post on their own blog. It&#8217;s been old for quite some time.</p>
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		<title>By: phillyphever</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phillyphever]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 21:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Craig, enough already. This is getting old.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, enough already. This is getting old.</p>
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