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Ryan Braun, y’all

Sep 21, 2012, 12:46 PM EDT

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Presented without comment …

Ryan Braun‘s numbers, by season:

        2011     2012
AVG     .332     .311
OBP     .397     .388
SLG     .597     .596
OPS     .994     .983
HR        33       40
RBI      113      105

(Normally this is where I’d say something like “Talent 1, Narratives 0” but I already promised to present this whole thing without comment.)

  1. poreef - Sep 21, 2012 at 12:49 PM

    See! His OPS went down.

    • redguy12588 - Sep 21, 2012 at 12:51 PM

      I wish I could thumb this up more than once.

  2. bennyandthemets - Sep 21, 2012 at 12:50 PM

    Ryan Braun deserves to win the NL MVP…if the writers screw him out of it because of the PED nonsense it’s a JOKE

    • number42is1 - Sep 21, 2012 at 12:51 PM

      I’m pretty sure that Michael Young will win it

      • redguy12588 - Sep 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM

        Cutch has been better this year. The Pirates collapse is in no way his fault, he’s been consistently awesome all year.

      • kevinleaptrot - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:27 PM

        That would be incredible, especially given that Michael Young plays in the American League.

      • scatterbrian - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:49 PM


        As John McClane would say, “Welcome to the party, pal!”

    • deadeyedesign23 - Sep 21, 2012 at 12:57 PM

      To be fair he shouldn’t have won it last year (PED’s aside) Kemp should have so if he loses this one I won’t feel bad for him.

      • bennyandthemets - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:00 PM

        I agree

      • nightman13 - Sep 21, 2012 at 2:53 PM

        Absurd in every way especially after looking at this season too.

        Braun IS the Brewers. Fielder gone, tons of injuries, TERRIBLE bullpen and sellers at the deadline Braun has still performed at a high level and has the Brewers in playoff contention.

        Kemp misses a ton of time and life goes on for the Dodgers.

        There is no logical way to say Kemp deserved anything over Braun last year and once you factor in this year it makes any hindsight even more clear that Kemp never deserved consideration in 2011.

      • Lukehart80 - Sep 21, 2012 at 3:16 PM

        After looking at this season too? Then I guess we’d better wait til next years ends before we decide who deserves the 2012 MVP.

      • deadeyedesign23 - Sep 21, 2012 at 3:28 PM

        @nightman13 Kemp last year put up identical, if not better number playing a more difficult position and played it better than Braun plays his. Your argument that being in playoff contention should be taken into consideration is irrelevant. The award for having the better season is the MVP, the award for having the better teammates is the playoffs.

      • nightman13 - Sep 21, 2012 at 4:02 PM


        I’m not saying the playoffs have anything to do with individual awards other than Braun played his best when it mattered most. He carried his team on his back which is one of the most difficult things to do in sports. So being clutch when all the cards are on the table is very valuable.

        Most Vaulauble Player – Ryan Braun Best Stat Collector – Matt Kemp

      • deadeyedesign23 - Sep 21, 2012 at 5:52 PM


        But it doesn’t matter more then. Every game is worth the same. The fact that at the end of the year the circumstances of each win is more apparent is irrelevant. It’s all a narrative. The most valuable player is the one who performs the best. Braun isn’t more valuable because he played on a better team.

        And for the record Kemp’s numbers in Sept. and Oct. last year when it “mattered most” were 344 / 419 / 667

    • lumpyf - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:27 PM

      Buster Posey will win it. As he should.

    • adeedothatswho - Sep 21, 2012 at 4:45 PM

      The MVP is Buster Posey. Simple as that.

  3. El Bravo - Sep 21, 2012 at 12:50 PM

    Man, that new PED works as well as the old one!

    • thebadguyswon - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:23 PM


  4. nategearhart - Sep 21, 2012 at 12:51 PM

    Yeah, but Barry Bonds, Craig! BARRY BONDS!

    • number42is1 - Sep 21, 2012 at 12:52 PM


      • indaburg - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM

        It’s Craig posting as Aaron. That sneaky, sneaky Craig.

      • nategearhart - Sep 21, 2012 at 2:42 PM

        Guh. You right, you right.

  5. legacybroken - Sep 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM

    His AVG and OPS are still very close to last seasons and the drops can be attributed to the loss of Fielder behind him.

    • alang3131982 - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:03 PM

      Or just random fluctuation….

  6. indaburg - Sep 21, 2012 at 12:55 PM

    Thems are fightin’ words, Gleeman.

    I’m in the innocent until proven guilty. Proper procedure wasn’t followed, he was exonerated, and the proof’s in the pudding. His numbers are statistically no different than last year.

    • lumpyf - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:26 PM

      Seeing as the HGH test is given just once in spring training, Braun smartened up and started the 1st day of the regular season.

      • indaburg - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:37 PM

        I thought he tested high for testosterone?

    • barrancefong - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:44 PM

      Check the facts. Braun’s test showed extremely high levels of testosterone. The suspension was overturned because the arbiter agreed that proper collection protocol wasn’t followed (i.e. sample was not submitted right away).

      You can’t “grow” testosterone in a vial of piss over the weekend. The results of the test weren’t disputed, nor was tampering considered an issue. The suspension was overturned because they didn’t follow procedure. It’s the same as one of those police situations where evidence is inadmissible because they didn’t have warrant to search.

      • indaburg - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:49 PM

        Of course, testosterone doesn’t magically grow in a vial.

        At the same time, why do proper procedures exist? Why wasn’t possible tampering considered an issue?

      • barrancefong - Sep 21, 2012 at 2:06 PM

        Of course tampering is a possible issue. It should be considered a possibility, but Braun’s side didn’t claim that the sample was tampered with, nor was there any signs that it was tampered with. They claimed that proper procedure wasn’t followed (which it wasn’t) and got off based on that.

      • nightman13 - Sep 21, 2012 at 2:55 PM


        The reason Barun’s lawyers went after the chain of custody was because it was the easiest and fastest way to reverse the suspension.

        Braun offered to submit a DNA sample to prove it wasn’t even his urine and MLB declined.

      • ufullpj - Sep 21, 2012 at 4:37 PM

        Braun’s legal team’s mission was to overturn the suspension by the most attackable point passable, not prove he was innocent. Two very separate agenda points. Think of it as a criminal trial – you can have your attorney attempt to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you’re innocent, or he / she can attack the facets of the matter that quickly and decisively acquits the client.

        As for the jointly agreed testing protocol and process handling, those are in place for a reason – both scientific as well as legal – and they were clearly violated.

        The thing with Braun is that his body size / composition hasn’t changed significantly; his stats have been insanely consistent since he’s been called up…and he’s been tested consistently since college.

        Because the result of the test was at such an extreme level, and given what I’ve mentioned above, I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt. We just don’t know all the facts, and because of that, it’s difficult to convict a guy in the court of public opinion the way he has been.

  7. illcomm - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:04 PM

    don’t assume that brain changed any of the PED habits. chances r, like Armstrong n a number of other people, the tests can be passed regardless. u must be naive not to think its possible n not happening.

    • alang3131982 - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:06 PM

      So your contention is that Braun is now taking a different PED than last year that is undetectable and that these two PEDs work roughly the same?

    • nategearhart - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:13 PM

      For God’s sake, if you can’t be bothered to form a readable sentence on your phone, then STOP POSTING FROM YOUR PHONE.

      • scatterbrian - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:55 PM

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      • number42is1 - Sep 21, 2012 at 2:15 PM

        I don’t care that you can only “thumbs up” once… i clicked it 100 times.

  8. alang3131982 - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:05 PM

    So if PEDs help someone hit a baseball, and we suppose Braun took PEDs, did the PEDs he took suck? Is he taking roughly the same PEDs this year? Do the PEDs just take 2 years to wear off?

    Man, PEDs are magical if you can take them once and then you’re set for life….poor Alex Sanchez, Guillermo Mota, etc.

  9. alang3131982 - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:08 PM

    Does that photo remind anyone else of the dude from can’t Hardly Wait/Rookie of the year?


    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:10 PM

      Combined with Neil deGrasse Tyson

  10. theawesomersfranchise - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:15 PM

    Highest, never seen before levels of testosterone never made any sense. No surprise that people don’t understand that HGH does not produce high amounts of testosterone, so what….? Braun was taking steroids….massive amounts with no masking agent?
    In 2012 Braun is taking “never seen before” amounts of old school “juice”. Sounds stupid because it is.
    Obvious why Braun wanted the test sample DNA tested is obvious

  11. nolanwiffle - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:28 PM

    If there’s any justice, Fed Ex will misplace any and all ballots that contain his name.

  12. Fink - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:31 PM

    Votto would still be the hands down MVP if he hadn’t been out forever and a half this season. Oh, and he doesn’t have googly eyes that bulge from all the JOOSE!

    • number42is1 - Sep 21, 2012 at 2:17 PM

      and if my grandmother had balls she’d be my grandfather. what exactly is your point?

  13. cshearing - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:32 PM

    @illcomm: If that stands for Ill Communication, it is very descriptive of your output. But I of course share your love for the Beastie Boys.
    By the way, this was posted from my phone, the only drawback being I cannot reply directly to a post via the NBC Sportstalk app.

    • scatterbrian - Sep 21, 2012 at 5:17 PM

      That’s why I don’t use the NBC Sportstalk app. Well that, and I have no interest in any of the other sites in the network. Just bookmark HBT and go to the actual website.

  14. eagles512 - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:35 PM

    What’s the purpose of this? Still think he’s a cheater.

    • alang3131982 - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:42 PM

      So if he’s a cheater, how did the cheating help him?

      In your opinion he was caught last year. So is he cheating the same way this year? Did he find another way to cheat that gives the same results?

      If not, then cheating clearly didnt make him the player he was last season as he is repeating the same exact numbers.

      • barrancefong - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:45 PM

        So are you saying that if cheating doesn’t help you, it’s okay?

      • alang3131982 - Sep 21, 2012 at 3:01 PM

        no, just that it’s pointless. If you’re not cheating to get an edge and give yourself an unfair advantage over competition, what’s the point?

    • nightman13 - Sep 21, 2012 at 2:59 PM

      Man people are dumb.

      There is evidence that taking a performance enhancing drug ENHANCES performance. If Braun is clean this year and put up the same numbers as last year (with a worse team) he was clean last year.

      If a=b and b=c then a has to be equal to c

  15. thetruth702 - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:40 PM

    Beast. He is a talented and consistent player.

  16. illcomm - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    yeah I post from phone. love the spell check feature. Kurt Klein seems to have the same issue with articles hr posts on this site. yes name stands for beastie boys cd. my biggest gripe is the MLB doesn’t really want the output to go down and also testing is still inefficient. the only way to truly test someone is through blood sampling. from what I have read, pee test are pretty simple to beat just as long as you get some heads up. to my understanding, players r given a number of hours to produce a sample when tested. hgh is just tested once before the season starts. this isn’t real testing to catch people, it more of show n front to appease those who want testing. u have to be a moron to think hgh or testosterone doesn’t improve performance n speed up recovery to better perform. people that say there is no proof that peds increase stats. of course they do. the number of players having terrific seasons or career seasons is just to hard to ignore.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Sep 21, 2012 at 2:25 PM

      from what I have read, pee test are pretty simple to beat just as long as you get some heads up

      Think about what you are trying to say here, and realize why it’s wrong. If it was simple to beat, no one would ever get caught.

      to my understanding, players r given a number of hours to produce a sample when tested.

      If it’s anything like the NCAA, you aren’t told you are giving a sample. You go to the trainer’s room (they use a bit of misdirection to get you there) and you are told you have to provide a sample. If you have to leave, you are escorted by someone until you come back. If you, like many of us pissed before you left, there’s lots of water to get you to go again. Failure to produce a sample constitutes failing.

      hgh is just tested once before the season starts.

      And there are zero studies showing that a healthy individual benefits, at all, from HGH.

      people that say there is no proof that peds increase stats

      No one has ever said this. They say that the increase from stats based solely on PEDs hasn’t been proven. But nice strawmanning.

      the number of players having terrific seasons or career seasons is just to hard to ignore.

      And there are just as many having mediocre/terrible years who are caught, but don’t let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

      • nategearhart - Sep 21, 2012 at 2:46 PM

        Bravo, church. The only item I disagree with is your stating that just as many players are caught while having mediocre/bad seasons; I think MORE people are caught during bad seasons (so long as you are including MiLB.)

    • ezthinking - Sep 21, 2012 at 6:40 PM

      If you weren’t so lazy, you could have answered all your testing questions by …. wait for it….. actually looking up the policy. It’s posted on and was discussed all winter with Braun’s situation.

  17. Stiller43 - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:47 PM

    So what you’re saying is all of his numbers are inferior to last year except for home runs?

  18. delawarephilliesfan - Sep 21, 2012 at 1:48 PM

    I think those numbers clearly prove that the presence of an illegal PED in his sample was due to FedEx Saturday shipping hours.

    Case closed.

  19. shaggytoodle - Sep 21, 2012 at 2:24 PM

    I truely wish, that the MLB program would have worked the way it was suppose to.

    Where the player gets his appeal before its mentioned to the public.

    No one would was suppose to have known anything about his test results .

    Only a handful of people know why his test came up the way it did.
    They aren’t going to be talking about it.

  20. djpostl - Sep 21, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    Except he didn’t pop positive mid-season. He did in the playoffs…where he hit over. 400 and had a ridiculous 9 XBH in like 40 ABs.

  21. sdemp - Sep 21, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    First off nobody knows the whole story except a handful of people. Secondly if MLB handled the Braun test correctly nobody other than those “people” would even know anything occurred. Which brings me to my next point. . . check the stats of every player since Braun entered the league and you will not find a more consistent player year to year or even month to month.

    Jealously is the root of all evil and brings out the worst in everyone as we all can see by reading these ridiculous comments.

    Braun is clearly the best player in baseball (Period)

  22. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Sep 21, 2012 at 4:45 PM

    See? PED’s don’t really help or hurt stats. Can we delete the asterisksssss now, and let Clemens and Bonds and everyone in the HoF?

  23. vallewho - Sep 21, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    wait till they start testing for HGH…

  24. jdhein22 - Sep 21, 2012 at 11:53 PM

    Improperly stored urine will result in elevated testosterone readings. This has been proven time and time again – and was proven by Braun’s defense in this case. These tests are not just counting testosterone levels in the test subject and comparing it to a normal level control. Rather, each individual’s testosterone level is different. However, the difference in testosterone is also consistent with the difference with other things in your urine. So, they compare your testosterone level to other things contained with your urine to determine whether the ratio. Then compare the ratio of the test subject to the control. That then decides what is normal or elevated. However, at certain temperatures, bacteria within your urine will EAT the other stuff, leave the testosterone alone, and resulting in an off-balanced ratio. This will then appear as elevated testosterone. That is the reason why Braun’s result was turned over – not because of a technical violation of the process but because Braun’s defense proved that the violation resulted in a corrupted test result which is due to the above science. Why people post the exact opposite in their comments as an uncontroverted fact is just sad. Braun passed every test he has ever taken except two – the two where his urine sample was stored at an elevated temperature for 36 hours. Is this too complicated to understand?

    • shaggytoodle - Sep 22, 2012 at 3:13 AM

      Don’t confuse those people, with things like facts, it takes away from trying to bash a person, hidden behind a user name on the internet.

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