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Sep 27, 2012, 2:00 PM EDT

Miguel Cabrera AP

Fox’s Jon Paul Morosi has been at the vanguard of the Miguel Cabrera MVP argument. The Michigan resident and former Tigers beat writer is very pro-Cabrera this year.

Which is fine, because as I’ve said before, it will not be an atrocity if Miguel Cabrera wins the MVP award. I think, personally, it’s the wrong choice, but it wouldn’t even be in the top 10 of worst award votes in the past decade. Cabrera is having a fine season, and let no amount of pro-Mike Trout arguing make you think otherwise.

But what does get me is when folks base their argument on questionable assertions like this:

Why August 24?  Do games before that not matter?  Or is it because on August 23 Mike Trout had a big game, going 3 for 6 and driving in a couple of runs and after that had an 0 for 5 while Miguel Cabrera ended an 0 for 10 stretch on August 24 and hit a homer? It has to have some other significance, does it not? Because it cannot be the case that Morosi felt it necessary to cut off things on that date simply because it bolsters his preconceived notions of the matter.

But heck, if we’re going to put so much weight on the last month, why isn’t Adrian Beltre the MVP? He’s hit just as well as Cabrera down the stretch but he isn’t killing the Rangers on defense at third base like Cabrera is the Tigers.  If the response is that the Tigers are in a closer race, well why does Cabrera get extra points simply because his team sucks more?  And if the response is, well, Cabrera has had the better overall season, why in he hell don’t you let Mike Trout back into the argument? And where do we note that, right as the Tigers are making the push past the White Sox this week, Cabrera has gone 0 for his last 12 against the Royals?

Know what? If you just like Miguel Cabrera better and think he’s more deserving for non-quantifiable reasons, just say so. Just go all-in with your subjective feelings about his game and the magical sense his season gives you or whatever.  But don’t try to have it both ways. Don’t try to say that the stats which favor Mike Trout don’t matter but the stats which favor your guys does.  Have some sort of logical consistency to your position.

  1. butchhuskey - Sep 27, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    Craig, some people are not going to like this post- your logic and reasoning are far too sound.

  2. normcash - Sep 27, 2012 at 2:05 PM

    Cabrera most assuredly isn’t “killing” the Tigers at third. He’s played a very solid third with
    a great arm. Yes, his range is limited, but “killing” the Tigers? Come on! What’s killed the
    Tigers in the field has been the sudden inability of Omar Infante to make routine plays at
    second since he came over from Miami—a true mystery.

    • 1baseballfan - Sep 27, 2012 at 2:26 PM

      Hey Norm,
      He most assuredly MIGHT be killing the Tigers at 3B.
      Fangraphs has him second from the bottom of qualified 3B (10 runs below average) and BillJamesOnline has him listed as 27th. Remember Matt Anderson? He had a great arm. Doesn’t mean much by itself.

      • normcash - Sep 27, 2012 at 4:24 PM

        Those measures, I believe, include chances he “should” have made that weren’t
        errors—this is the range issue. Anybody who watched Brandon Inge make spectacular
        plays and then horrible throws on routine grounders, appreciates Cabrera’s accurate
        strong arm…He’s been fine at third.

  3. youcantpredictbaseball - Sep 27, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    Especially after Morosi voted for Verlander last year, when on August 24th of last year, when Verlander was in the middle of his great second half run, the Tigers had a six game lead that only got bigger as the Indians faltered down the stretch.

    In fact, reading this whole article is hilarious when viewed through the lens of what Morosi is saying this year. If you want to vote for the Tigers guy, just say so.

  4. Francisco (FC) - Sep 27, 2012 at 2:15 PM

    Are you SURE you’re not having some perverse fun in this when you get the usual reactions from Tiger’s fans?

  5. blabidibla - Sep 27, 2012 at 2:16 PM

    Like it or not, voters pay more attention to the stretch run than early season games. Cabrera will win.

  6. Jeremiah Graves - Sep 27, 2012 at 2:19 PM

    I think you got his attention, Craig:

    Morosi on Twitter:

    “Yes, Adrian Beltre absolutely belongs high in the MVP discussion – in part because of what he has done for his team lately.”

  7. drmonkeyarmy - Sep 27, 2012 at 2:24 PM

    I would go with Trout. Yeah Cabrera has a higher OPS but Trout plays a more defensively “valuable” position. Furthermore, despite some of my misgivings about WAR, Trout clearly trumps Cabrera in that category.

    • The Common Man - Sep 27, 2012 at 2:40 PM

      I hate it when we agree.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Sep 27, 2012 at 3:03 PM

        Me too….I need to go take a shower now….have this dirty feeling.

  8. frank35sox - Sep 27, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    With every word he writes, Craig inches ever closer to becoming the biggest DB this side of Rick Reilly during his tenure at ESPN.

    The load of crap that come out of your liberal mouth would even make Skip Bayless puke.

    I’m sure that Colin Cowherd is your biggest fan since he knows no matter what he says, you will always be saying something more pretentious.

    • 1baseballfan - Sep 27, 2012 at 2:33 PM

      Defending Craig isn’t my job but all he did was say the statistical basis Morosi used was false – which it was.
      If you’re going to use a method that depends on metrics to support your position it’s illogical (and dishonest) to pervert that method by crafting an argument that doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.
      And no, I’m not liberal.

    • The Common Man - Sep 27, 2012 at 2:45 PM

      I’m not sure why you think Craig’s political persuasions are at all important to this debate. Unless you think liberals have a monopoly on facts, logic, and intellectual honesty. But I guess I have another reason to root for Mike Trout if Miggy Cabrera (despite being Venezuelan) is the darling conservative candidate for AL MVP.

      • stlouis1baseball - Sep 27, 2012 at 3:11 PM

        TCM: Wow…and now I agree with YOU.
        Mike Trout for MVP.

        A moderate conservative

      • historiophiliac - Sep 27, 2012 at 3:51 PM

        What if Cabrera is the Socialist candidate and Trout is the Liberal one? They’re all lefties!!!!!!!!!! It’s the apocalypse!!!!!

    • schlom - Sep 27, 2012 at 2:54 PM

      Not that Craig is a conservative obviously but if he were what would be the bigger insult, being called a liberal or that you’re friends with Colin Cowherd?

    • mrfloydpink - Sep 27, 2012 at 2:58 PM

      And yet you continue to read and comment. If it was me, and I really hated a particular blog or blogger or website, I think I might choose a different solution to the problem than the one you seem to have chosen…

    • stlouis1baseball - Sep 27, 2012 at 3:09 PM

      Careful there…Big Hurt. The fanboys will be out in droves. Brace yourself for the onslaught.

      • Alex K - Sep 27, 2012 at 4:29 PM

        Are they really to be considered “fanboys” if they are just plain right?

      • stlouis1baseball - Sep 27, 2012 at 4:39 PM

        I understand where you are coming from Alex.
        However, right or wrong isn’t really what I was getting at Alex.
        It seems whenever anyone disagrees with or otherwise criticizes Craig everyone falls all over themselves defending him to the point of it being a perpetual slow jack.
        It’s almost like a competition. And it is almost sickening.
        If I didn’t know any better I would think they were on the payroll.
        The Man is quite capable of defending himself. In fact, he is damn good at it.

  9. skids003 - Sep 27, 2012 at 2:39 PM

    This is what happens when you let the writers pick MVP.. Some are very knowledgable, most seem to be like Skip Bayless.

    • nategearhart - Sep 27, 2012 at 3:17 PM

      Yes, this is what happens when a bunch of writers get together, invent an award, and then decide amongst themselves who should get it.
      You DID know that the MVP is a BBWAA award, right?

      • skids003 - Sep 28, 2012 at 8:19 AM

        Uh, yes, I did. That doesn’t change the fact that 3/4 of them are clueless.

  10. historiophiliac - Sep 27, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    Not taking the bait.

  11. detroitr1 - Sep 27, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    Great Moments in Selective Endpoints


  12. jayscarpa - Sep 27, 2012 at 3:28 PM

    You are too easy to rile CC.

  13. vallewho - Sep 27, 2012 at 3:55 PM

    Moronsi just got Calcaterrad

  14. stlouis1baseball - Sep 27, 2012 at 4:07 PM

    historiophiliac: “What if Cabrera is the Socialist candidate and Trout is the Liberal one?”
    Hahaha! At the end of the day…is there really a difference? As you said…they are both Lefties!
    Regardless…I am picking Trout. He is my new favorite “Non-Cardinals” player.

    • historiophiliac - Sep 27, 2012 at 6:21 PM

      You know, I just kinda think there doesn’t need to be a political litmus test for getting a baseball award. Good for you, backing a player just because you like the way he plays. Also, way to go branching out from the NL there. There’s hope for you yet, Woodpecker.

      • stlouis1baseball - Sep 28, 2012 at 9:42 AM

        Hahaha! Thanks for the props little buddy!

  15. dawgpoundmember - Sep 27, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    Maybe? Just maybe, he chose that day because the Angels and Tigers started a series against each other that day.

  16. corecontrarian - Sep 28, 2012 at 8:00 AM

    When Morosi was with the Free Press, he was a very big Tiger booster and I saw him more as an extension of the team rather than any kind of independent reporter.

    Objectivity, or even the pretense of it, was not at all his thing.

    Embarrassing really.

  17. Royceratops - Sep 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM

    “Don’t try to say that the stats which favor Mike Trout don’t matter but the stats which favor your guys does.”

    I’m a Tigers fan, admittedly, but I also thinkTrout should win the MVP. But doesn’t everyone kind of do this? Hell, aren’t Trout supporters doing this? “The Triple Crown stats don’t matter, WAR does.” Now, I agree, but it’s because I’m making a decision that WAR is a better stat than those other stats. Morosi made a decision that some stats are better than some other stats. Everyone does that every year in every non-obvious MVP/Cy Young race.

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