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The Marlins are probably going to fire Ozzie Guillen

Oct 4, 2012, 9:57 AM EDT

Buster Olney reports:


This would be the first “aggressive” thing the Fish did all year.

And it would be aggressively stupid.  Ozzie Guillen did not cause this team to flounder. And changing your organization’s philosophy every year is no way to run a railroad.  Guillen has three more years on his contract. If you expected the playoffs in one year and considered missing the playoffs to be an utter failure, why give him a multi-year deal in the first place?

  1. deepstblu - Oct 4, 2012 at 10:00 AM

    Modest proposal: Trade Ozzie to the Red Sox for Bobby V.

    • bloodysock - Oct 4, 2012 at 10:15 AM

      Haven’t the Marlins suffered enough?

      • vallewho - Oct 4, 2012 at 10:36 AM


  2. kevinleaptrot - Oct 4, 2012 at 10:00 AM

    As has been noted before, this is Jeff Loria’s pattern. Ozzie’s not the first, and as long as Loria’s in charge, Ozzie probably won’t be the last. Kind of like Loria’s the Dan Snyder of MLB.

    • brewcrewfan54 - Oct 4, 2012 at 10:43 AM

      At least you can accuse Snyder of trying to buy a championship. Until this past year you could never accuse Loria of that.

  3. easports82 - Oct 4, 2012 at 10:04 AM

    This is pretty SOP for S.FL owners:
    Publicly court a replacement before firing the current.
    When that fails, do a huge mea culpa and let the guy flounder for another year.
    Then fire him.

  4. anderswa - Oct 4, 2012 at 10:08 AM

    Flounder. I get it.

    • chumthumper - Oct 5, 2012 at 10:10 AM

      Calabash-style is really good.

  5. kiwicricket - Oct 4, 2012 at 10:13 AM

    Eating the final 3 years of a mangers salary would be incredible….although it’s either Ozzie or Bell at this point. Ozzie would be the more economical axing.

    • ptfu - Oct 4, 2012 at 10:44 AM

      Hmm. Good point. They don’t call him Scrooge McLoria for nothing.

      Then again, it wasn’t Ozzie who gave up so many walks, homers, and late inning leads. So if the Feesh care more about winning games than saving a few bucks…ahahahah never mind.

  6. kkolchak - Oct 4, 2012 at 10:13 AM

    Classic example of wanting to make a splash by bringing in a “name” without regard to whether it made sense for the team.

    • kiwicricket - Oct 4, 2012 at 10:23 AM

      ‘splash’. I get it.

  7. sdelmonte - Oct 4, 2012 at 10:16 AM

    Waiting for Old Gator to check in on this.

    But while he didn’t do anything wrong on the field, he seems to be a distraction in ways that would justify trying to change things. I wouldn’t fire him so fast, but I suspect he will never do well there.

    Then again, I think no one will. His predecessors are proof to some degree that the best thing that can happen is leaving for better venues.

  8. chill1184 - Oct 4, 2012 at 10:19 AM

    I wonder if this is the icing on the cake or is their more Marlin goodness to follow

  9. gogigantos - Oct 4, 2012 at 10:22 AM

    He is, and behaved all season as, the same dude he has always been. His still the same guy they hired. This speaks of some way poor management, that is not news for this club.
    So, does the slobbering one go home, or travel, Cuba might be a good spot, and collect some checks, or does he get another job?

    • mazblast - Oct 4, 2012 at 11:59 AM

      If he is offered and accepts another managerial job, he forfeits the remaining Marlins salary. Why do that? He’ll get a job with ESPN and collect two big salaries while being his usual blowhard self.

  10. pisano - Oct 4, 2012 at 10:49 AM

    The sooner the better, send this loud mouth back to Venezuela and keep him there. Maybe he and Bobby V. can team up down there.

  11. mrwillie - Oct 4, 2012 at 11:40 AM

    I’d say it’s past the point of no return now anyways. If he were to stay, Ozzie is not the type of guy to let the talk of him being potentially railroaded go quietly. He’ll never have trust on Loria again, nor should he.

    It would make a colorful year in Miami if he were to stay, but even then he’d never make it the full 4 years. Simply put Ozzie will be better without Miami than Miami will be without Ozzie.

  12. ndirishfan1 - Oct 4, 2012 at 11:41 AM

    This is what the kids would call an epic fail.

  13. cavemanna - Oct 4, 2012 at 12:20 PM

    I can’t imagine in what way Ozzie is a positive for any organization or it’s players. Ya they made a mistake. So live with it for a couple more years? Nah.

  14. Old Gator - Oct 4, 2012 at 12:23 PM

    The local spawrts tawrk raydeeo and print media scuttlebutt on Slobbering Ozzie has been oscillating keep/fire for weeks now. Scrooge McLoria needs a scapegoat – not for P/R reasons so much as to salve his ego over his stewardship of such a monumental bust of a team. Yesterday the slob-o-meter was twitching over to the green side, today the red. Tomorrow, who knows? Another thing to consider: who knows, really, how much input Scrooge had on the signings last season – or the season before, when the ridiculous $18 million commitment to Black Hole Buck got made? I’m still shaking my head over that one. But Scrooge is reputedly as hands-on as a grope on the Broadway Line at rush hour. As far as the repeated comments about how much money the team spent on free agency last year, that’s been a bit of a red herring all along. It’s easy and proper to blame Larry Beinfest for the Buck signing, which set the precedent for Heath Bell this season (and really, of the three big 2012 signings, it was only Bell who badly tanked – the rest of the disaster was having holdovers like Buck, the Hanster and Tweeter continue to non-produce, and some of the holdovers from last year’s boolpen, Dunn especially, follow Bell down the drain).

    I’m no fan of Slobbering Ozzie’s, but to hang the blame for this season’t mega-fusterflunker while leaving Beinfest and the teflon Chihuahua in place, unscathed, strikes me as hypocrisy in motion.

    • scratchnsniffnblog - Oct 4, 2012 at 12:45 PM

      I thought it was Samson’s job to rub salve on Loria’s “ego.”

      • Old Gator - Oct 4, 2012 at 1:43 PM

        The salve in this case would be Slobbering Ozzie’s head on a platter. It’d be the Feesh’s equivalent to Captain White’s head in a jar of cheap tequila in Blood Meridian.

  15. Brinke - Oct 4, 2012 at 12:29 PM

    Every photo of OG, his mouth is open.
    IMAGINE that.

    • Old Gator - Oct 4, 2012 at 1:52 PM

      Shows how little you know about Feesh. Once water stops flowing over his gills, he suffocates.

  16. scratchnsniffnblog - Oct 4, 2012 at 1:01 PM

    Issue: Will Ozzie be fired?

    Rule: Managers are often scapegoats for under-performance of the team. Loria doesn’t like to spend money if he doesn’t have to. Loria does not get along well with managers. The Marlins need a manager.

    Analysis: The team did not perform as expected and Ozzie may be partially to blame. However, Ozzie did not add or subtract any personnel from the team, and firing him would not necessarily improve the performance of the players on the current roster. It would cost a good bit of change to fire Ozzie so early into his contract. That money would not be immediately recouped on the balance sheet through higher ticket sales. Chances are Loria would love the new manager only as long as it took for him (or her) to get on Loria’s bad side.

    Conclusion: Unless Loria can find a way to reduce the cost of firing Ozzie, I think he’ll be around for another year. Especially if Loria can find another scapegoat who is replaceable at a much lower cost.

    Alternate Conclusion: Loria’s first love is art and his decisions often defy logic. So, I expect Art Howe to be hired as the next Marlins manager within days based on his experience of having a desirable first name.

  17. thejotapee - Oct 4, 2012 at 1:16 PM

    The problem with the Marlins has never been the manager or the players. It’s the ownership and front office. This team needs changes from top to bottom. We want Mickey Arison!

  18. whit0101 - Oct 4, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    The Marlins front office is a train wreck, from the owner to his stepson who is club President. Just ask the fans in Montreal about these two. The Marlins will not ever be competitive on an ongoing basis under the current ownership.

  19. lew24 - Oct 4, 2012 at 1:32 PM

    The Marlins…flounder…excuse the pun!

    I love it!

  20. drewsylvania - Oct 4, 2012 at 2:03 PM

    Oh please. You say this like Ozzie’s just a garden-variety manager. Ozzie is a train wreck, both inside the clubhouse and out. Sometimes I think you just invent things to rail against.

  21. classygentleman7 - Oct 4, 2012 at 2:18 PM

    Just throwing this out there: Not even 5 minutes after watching The Franchise, I wanted to kick Jeffrey Loria square in the nuts.

    • Old Gator - Oct 4, 2012 at 2:59 PM

      Get in line behind the entire population of Montreal.

    • scratchnsniffnblog - Oct 4, 2012 at 7:18 PM

      How do you kick that which is not there?

      Are you in the Matrix?

  22. orangeclipper - Oct 4, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    Adios, boga grande. The hijo de P$$A deserves to get fired. What a big jerk.

  23. denny65 - Oct 4, 2012 at 8:06 PM

    Yeah, but can Ozzie bicycle and text at the same time?

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