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If the Red Sox want John Farrell, the Blue Jays won’t stand in the way

Oct 5, 2012, 8:23 AM EST

Matthew outlined a pretty good case against the Red Sox hiring former pitching coach and current Blue Jays manager John Farrell to be their next skipper.  But if they don’t heed Matthew’s advice, it seems like they’re going to have access to him:

 

Now, what “aren’t expected to stand in the way” means is a good question. It could just mean that they will let Boston talk to him.  It does not necessarily mean that they can simply hire him, because Farrell is under contract with Toronto still, and the Jays would be silly to let him go for nothing, even if they have no interest in him in the long term.  Leverage being leverage and all.

  1. gpatrick15 - Oct 5, 2012 at 8:33 AM

    Whoever they choose, I hope for their own sake that they take their time and think it out, rather than rush into it. Interview some candidates and choose the best option of the choices.

    • paperlions - Oct 5, 2012 at 9:02 AM

      They did that last year….then someone that wasn’t Cherrington nixed that selection and hired Valentine.

  2. churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Oct 5, 2012 at 8:35 AM

    For PC/cur or any other beaver fan out there, what’s the deal with Farrell? Two years ago I thought y’all liked him as a manager, when the Jays wouldn’t let him go for a lateral move? Now they are willing to give him away? What gives?

    • silversun60 - Oct 5, 2012 at 8:40 AM

      Lots of mental errors from players… accusations of the ship not being as tight as it should…. I think Blue Jays nation overall is just sour from a crappy season… Pretty hard to evaluate him considering the injuries. But there were times the team seemed to just give up…

    • proudlycanadian - Oct 5, 2012 at 8:58 AM

      All these reports are coming from Boston, not Toronto. In a TV interview AA has said that Farrell will return to manage the Jays next season. Take a look at a column by Shi Davidi on Rogers Sportsnet.com. Now if Boston offered Pedroia or Buchholz in return, then the answer may be yes. Toronto has more important things to do in the off season than conduct a manager search.

      • indaburg - Oct 5, 2012 at 9:17 AM

        What other important things? The Jays underachieved badly–true, Bautista was hurt, but still. Some ugliness going on in beaverland. There are also some good candidates (and some not so good ones, cough, Valentine, cough) out there. If the Jays were inclined to get rid of Farrell, this seems like the best way to get something good out of a bad situation. Just cause the GM said Farrell will return doesn’t mean he will. If the GM wants to make a deal with Boston, he’s not exactly going to say, “Yeah, I’m firing his ass tomorrow.”

      • hammyofdoom - Oct 5, 2012 at 10:27 AM

        If Theo Epstein is worth a middling prospect, then theres no way that Farrell is worth anything more than a Daniel Nava

    • cur68 - Oct 5, 2012 at 11:57 AM

      My fellow Beaver fans may disagree but Farrell lost me when he apparently didn’t take the bull by the horns and get another player-leader in that clubhouse to step up. It was different culture there when Bautista was there. When he was away for surgery and recuperation, they just tanked and some stupid shit took place.

      Also, this season had WAY more to do with injuries to just Buatista. The starting rotation was decimated. Only Romero and Alvarez threw the whole season. Tommy John Surgery claimed Hutchison & Drabek, an oblique took Morrow away for months, and the replacement number 5 guy was basically long relief from the BP (a BP which had its own injury issues: Perez TJS, Frazor’s neck, and so on). On top of that, Lind’s back, Cooper’s back, Lawrie’s oblique, Arencebia’s broken hand, Rasmus’s groin, Johnson’s groin, AND Bautista’s wrist. I’m not even mentioning Litsch & McGowan: they never made it put of ST. They were just doomed once that bill got paid.

  3. jayscarpa - Oct 5, 2012 at 8:40 AM

    Maybe the Jays agree with Matthew and hope to get rid of him without paying him.

  4. natslady - Oct 5, 2012 at 8:51 AM

    Won’t the Jays get a player or a decent prospect from Boston if they give up Farell?

    • proudlycanadian - Oct 5, 2012 at 9:03 AM

      Pedroia or Buchholz would fill a hole in the roster. The Jays do not need another prospect. They have enough decent prospects in their farm system. It is Boston that is tampering in their lust for Farrell, and if they get Farrell, it will cost them.

      • proudlycanadian - Oct 5, 2012 at 10:52 AM

        I am going to throw out a trade idea that might appeal to the Jays. Pedroia for Escobar and Farrell.

      • bigleagues - Oct 5, 2012 at 11:04 AM

        It’s not tampering when one organization asks another for permission to interview an employee and the parameters of potential compensation are set.

        If Toronto was bold enough to ask for Buchholz or Pedroia, then the Red Sox would almost certainly end any possibility of hiring Farrell right there and then.

        In other words, you are fantasizing.

      • poprox13 - Oct 5, 2012 at 11:19 AM

        “Pedroia for Escobar and Farrell.”

        ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!

      • Alex K - Oct 5, 2012 at 3:47 PM

        bigleagues- I see you’ve learned something from the whole Theo/Cubs thing. Thinking that the Sox would get Garza or Castro is just a crazy as what PC said.

    • indaburg - Oct 5, 2012 at 9:03 AM

      Yes, they should.

    • paperlions - Oct 5, 2012 at 9:04 AM

      No one has ever received a decent player/prospect in return for hiring away a manager (or FO person). They usually get a bench guy or a couple of low ceiling organizational players….that’s about the best they could expect.

      • proudlycanadian - Oct 5, 2012 at 9:09 AM

        It depends on how much a team wants somebody. Boston’s lust for Farrell is unprecedented. They have been leaking stories about their lust for him for several months.

      • motobus - Oct 5, 2012 at 10:08 AM

        There was that rumor a few years ago that the Marlins were willing to part with Mike Stanton for Ozzie Guillen. I’m sure someone is regretting that.

      • paperlions - Oct 5, 2012 at 1:45 PM

        There is no way that rumor was true. None. Just because someone in Chicago wondered aloud if they could get Stanton for Ozzie doesn’t mean that Miami was willing to do it.

      • Alex K - Oct 5, 2012 at 3:49 PM

        PC- I would say that the Cubs wanted Theo more than the Sox want Farrell. You’re crazy if you think they would get a quality major leaguer for a manager.

      • bigharold - Oct 5, 2012 at 6:01 PM

        “… the Cubs wanted Theo more ..”

        Nuff said.

        There isn’t a snowflakes chance in hell that the RS are giving anything special up if the get Farrell. And, as was pointed out, if the rumors are true that Farrell’s leadership qualities are lacking he’s not the guy to be in charge of these jar heads in Boston anyway.

        The RS need an established manager that can get these guys in the boat and rowing in the same direction. It should be easier next season because some of the higher profile mutineers have been jettisoned. If they go with a younger and or less experienced guy he better have a strong personality,

  5. crispybasil - Oct 5, 2012 at 8:55 AM

    As a Red Sox fan, I’d much rather see some new blood at the head of the dugout. If the team is going to turn around and hire Farrell, who seems like Tito Light to me, then what was the point of firing Francona and suffering through a year of Bobby V. in the first place?

    • proudlycanadian - Oct 5, 2012 at 9:05 AM

      Farrell liked Francona a lot and was pissed off at the way he was treated by the Red Sox. An unanswered question is whether Farrell wants to manage in Boston.

  6. nybostonfan - Oct 5, 2012 at 9:23 AM

    Did anyone on Yawkey Way look at what transpired in Toronto? Farrell might be a great baseball mind but his leadership skills are subpar. How will he thrive in Boston if he can’t lead? I hope the reports are false. These last 2 season were very difficult to endure for Red Sox Nation. Bringing in someone like Farrell is NOT THE ANSWER!!

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Oct 5, 2012 at 9:31 AM

      Did anyone on Yawkey Way look at what transpired in Toronto

      Ricky Romero went from a CY caliber season to godawful, almost every pitching prospect got hurt, and the best slugger in the game the last two years only played 92 games. Which of those is Farrell’s fault?

      • indaburg - Oct 5, 2012 at 9:51 AM

        Ask Vizquel.

  7. myopinionisrighterthanyours - Oct 5, 2012 at 9:47 AM

    My question would be why the hell would Farrell be interested in the train wreck that is the Bo Sox.

    • bigleagues - Oct 5, 2012 at 11:06 AM

      Fans of Canada’s team will hate this answer, but Farrell would be interested in Boston because he has a great rapport w/ the players and most of all he has a better long term chance of success in Boston than in Toronto.

      • myopinionisrighterthanyours - Oct 5, 2012 at 11:28 AM

        Better chance of long term success? Based on what? That wonderful front office running things? Those players who don’t give a crap, some of whom were finally offloaded too late, and for which the Red Sox are still on the hook for money wise for the next 3 years. Yeah. I’ll take my chances with Joey Bats and the others in Toronto, thanks. And I’m not even a Jays fan.

      • bigleagues - Oct 6, 2012 at 4:30 PM

        First, I must commend you on a great moniker.

        Now to disprove that moniker.

        Since 2003:

        BJ 803-816, .496
        RS 908-712, .560

        BJ’s are potentially headed in the right direction, but its been a long time since they’ve had anything resembling a consistent pitching staff. Yes, the Red Sox staff has been abysmal for the past 13 months. But overall, they have a far better track record than that of the BJ’s. And given that Lester and Buchholz are still young, Lackey will finally be healthy, depth with Morales & Doubrant, approaching prospects in Barnes, De la Rosa and Webster and the Red Sox mammoth payroll flexibility – well, you can choose Joey Bats all you want. But pitching wins titles and now even Romero is a big ol’ question mark.

  8. bigleagues - Oct 5, 2012 at 11:09 AM

    Contrary to the media reports about BJ’s discontent with Farrell, I’m not a fan of hiring him immediately just because he might be immediately available.

    I’d like to see an interview process take place with a decent array of candidates. Also, I can’t for the life of me understand why Arnie Beyeler hasn’t been included in the list of prospective candidates. He DESERVES an interview.

  9. pastabelly - Oct 5, 2012 at 2:36 PM

    You don’t give up your best player for an unproven manager like Farrell. Interview Ausmus, Sandberg, and others. Farrell is part of the past. MOVE ON or move out.

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