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	<title>Comments on: Watch Harold Reynolds argue why the infield-fly rule was the right call</title>
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		<title>By: strasburgshutdownsux</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s still arguable because it&#039;s very easy to say the example with the Cubs was called late as well. For almost every outside shitty pitch that&#039;s called a strike in the playoffs, I can show you footage from the regular season where it was also called a strike. Showing another crappy example that an ump made another late call in the regular season isn&#039;t changing my opinion.

In addition, did Kozma get out of the way because he heard the ump call for Infield Fly or because of miscommunication between the Left Fielder Matt Holliday? Harold claims that Kozma let the ball drop because he heard the ump, however there is no concrete proof of this. It behooves the player to always catch the ball unless they are out to deceive the runner. Catching the ball ensures that the runners have to get the hell back to their base, especially in the playoffs where you don&#039;t want to risk them advancing on a dropped IF (the ball is still live, remember?).

Now that we&#039;ve established that most players want to catch the ball in the playoffs regardless of the situation and are not going to risk deception, it means that Kozma most likely screwed up and thought Holliday called for it. As a result, if the Iinfield Fly was not called, Atlanta has bases loaded 1 out (i.e. in very very good position to win the game) instead of 2nd/3rd, 2 outs. Instead, Kozma misses it and gets bailed out by the ump&#039;s late call.

Summary: 
1) Another crappy example from the regular season does that not change the fact that it&#039;s still a late call in both scenarios.
2) I strongly believe that Kozma would have caught that ball if he could, but miscommunication prevented that from happening regardless of whether Infield Fly was called or not.
3) The ump&#039;s late Infield Fly bails out Kozma from missing the ball, and Atlanta is screwed out of a rosy bases loaded 1 out scenario.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s still arguable because it&#8217;s very easy to say the example with the Cubs was called late as well. For almost every outside shitty pitch that&#8217;s called a strike in the playoffs, I can show you footage from the regular season where it was also called a strike. Showing another crappy example that an ump made another late call in the regular season isn&#8217;t changing my opinion.</p>
<p>In addition, did Kozma get out of the way because he heard the ump call for Infield Fly or because of miscommunication between the Left Fielder Matt Holliday? Harold claims that Kozma let the ball drop because he heard the ump, however there is no concrete proof of this. It behooves the player to always catch the ball unless they are out to deceive the runner. Catching the ball ensures that the runners have to get the hell back to their base, especially in the playoffs where you don&#8217;t want to risk them advancing on a dropped IF (the ball is still live, remember?).</p>
<p>Now that we&#8217;ve established that most players want to catch the ball in the playoffs regardless of the situation and are not going to risk deception, it means that Kozma most likely screwed up and thought Holliday called for it. As a result, if the Iinfield Fly was not called, Atlanta has bases loaded 1 out (i.e. in very very good position to win the game) instead of 2nd/3rd, 2 outs. Instead, Kozma misses it and gets bailed out by the ump&#8217;s late call.</p>
<p>Summary:<br />
1) Another crappy example from the regular season does that not change the fact that it&#8217;s still a late call in both scenarios.<br />
2) I strongly believe that Kozma would have caught that ball if he could, but miscommunication prevented that from happening regardless of whether Infield Fly was called or not.<br />
3) The ump&#8217;s late Infield Fly bails out Kozma from missing the ball, and Atlanta is screwed out of a rosy bases loaded 1 out scenario.</p>
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		<title>By: shadowrun1</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 03:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sad to see harold join the dark side of the force...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sad to see harold join the dark side of the force&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tekneek211</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tekneek211]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 01:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What about the &quot;ordinary effort&quot; standard in the rules? Given that Holbrook openly admits that he watched Kozma to determine when/if he would make the call, how does that correlate with the objective standard in the rulebook?

&quot;ORDINARY EFFORT is the effort that a fielder of average skill at a position in that league or classification of leagues should exhibit on a play, with due consideration given to the condition of the field and weather conditions.
Rule 2.00 (Ordinary Effort) Comment: This standard, called for several times in the Official Scoring Rules (e.g., Rules 10.05(a)(3), 10.05(a)(4), 10.05(a)(6), 10.05(b)(3) (Base Hits); 10.08(b) (Sacrifices); 10.12(a)(1) Comment, 10.12(d)(2) (Errors); and 10.13(a), 10.13(b) (Wild Pitches and Passed Balls)) and in the Official Baseball Rules (e.g., Rule 2.00 (Infield Fly)), is an objective standard in regard to any particular fielder. In other words, even if a fielder makes his best effort, if that effort falls short of what an average fielder at that position in that league would have made in a situation, the official scorer should charge that fielder with an error.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the &#8220;ordinary effort&#8221; standard in the rules? Given that Holbrook openly admits that he watched Kozma to determine when/if he would make the call, how does that correlate with the objective standard in the rulebook?</p>
<p>&#8220;ORDINARY EFFORT is the effort that a fielder of average skill at a position in that league or classification of leagues should exhibit on a play, with due consideration given to the condition of the field and weather conditions.<br />
Rule 2.00 (Ordinary Effort) Comment: This standard, called for several times in the Official Scoring Rules (e.g., Rules 10.05(a)(3), 10.05(a)(4), 10.05(a)(6), 10.05(b)(3) (Base Hits); 10.08(b) (Sacrifices); 10.12(a)(1) Comment, 10.12(d)(2) (Errors); and 10.13(a), 10.13(b) (Wild Pitches and Passed Balls)) and in the Official Baseball Rules (e.g., Rule 2.00 (Infield Fly)), is an objective standard in regard to any particular fielder. In other words, even if a fielder makes his best effort, if that effort falls short of what an average fielder at that position in that league would have made in a situation, the official scorer should charge that fielder with an error.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: tekneek211</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tekneek211]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 01:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The ordinary effort standard, in the rules, is based on the ordinary effort of an average skilled player. It has nothing to do with the particular fielder involved and is an objective standard. When Holbrook says he looked at Kozma being under the ball before making the call, he isn&#039;t following the standard in the rules. The invoking of the infield fly rule actually has nothing to do with any of the players on the field. By the rules, it is to be called whenever an average skilled infielder, or outfield player stationed on the infield, could catch a fly ball with ordinary effort (with runners on first and second or bases loaded). 

Given the way the rule is defined in the rule book, it actually has nothing at all to do with what Kozma was doing and Holbrook&#039;s reliance on watching Kozma reveals a poor application of the rules.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ordinary effort standard, in the rules, is based on the ordinary effort of an average skilled player. It has nothing to do with the particular fielder involved and is an objective standard. When Holbrook says he looked at Kozma being under the ball before making the call, he isn&#8217;t following the standard in the rules. The invoking of the infield fly rule actually has nothing to do with any of the players on the field. By the rules, it is to be called whenever an average skilled infielder, or outfield player stationed on the infield, could catch a fly ball with ordinary effort (with runners on first and second or bases loaded). </p>
<p>Given the way the rule is defined in the rule book, it actually has nothing at all to do with what Kozma was doing and Holbrook&#8217;s reliance on watching Kozma reveals a poor application of the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: skids003</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 18:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I usually take up for the umpires, but doesn&#039;t Holbrook have a &quot;history&quot; with the Braves?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually take up for the umpires, but doesn&#8217;t Holbrook have a &#8220;history&#8221; with the Braves?</p>
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		<title>By: barrywhererufrom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[barrywhererufrom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 11:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Watch as Barrack Obama argues that our economy is doing well..people could argue any side doesn&#039;t make them right just like Barry and Harold Reynolds]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watch as Barrack Obama argues that our economy is doing well..people could argue any side doesn&#8217;t make them right just like Barry and Harold Reynolds</p>
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		<title>By: cur68</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 06:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mom&#039;s calling: get out of the basement and come to dinner]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mom&#8217;s calling: get out of the basement and come to dinner</p>
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		<title>By: somekat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[somekat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 04:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regardless, it&#039;s amazing to me the pass the braves fans have gotten from the national media. Would this story of been covered the same way if it happened in Philly? Me thinks not]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless, it&#8217;s amazing to me the pass the braves fans have gotten from the national media. Would this story of been covered the same way if it happened in Philly? Me thinks not</p>
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		<title>By: mattcerrone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mattcerrone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 04:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So on an infield fly rule, the fielder can drop the ball BUT the batter is out.  I know this is what the rule has always been BUT it makes no sense for the batter to be out IF the fielder drops the ball, either intentionally or through error.  The fielder should be required to catch the ball - even on an infield fly rule.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So on an infield fly rule, the fielder can drop the ball BUT the batter is out.  I know this is what the rule has always been BUT it makes no sense for the batter to be out IF the fielder drops the ball, either intentionally or through error.  The fielder should be required to catch the ball &#8211; even on an infield fly rule.</p>
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		<title>By: bowltr</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bowltr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 01:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What are you a fool? He had no need to? Yes he did because it&#039;s the RULE! Get over it everyone the call was correct. It happens hundreds of times during the course of the year and now people bitch? The ump was right period. Braves fans should be upset at their shoddy D their inexperienced SS as to why they lost. Not some call that had no need to be called.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you a fool? He had no need to? Yes he did because it&#8217;s the RULE! Get over it everyone the call was correct. It happens hundreds of times during the course of the year and now people bitch? The ump was right period. Braves fans should be upset at their shoddy D their inexperienced SS as to why they lost. Not some call that had no need to be called.</p>
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		<title>By: atfinch1984</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 23:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When a batted ball bounces off home plate, its NOT a foul ball. Therefore, infield fly is the right call and not a foul ball. Very clear call.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a batted ball bounces off home plate, its NOT a foul ball. Therefore, infield fly is the right call and not a foul ball. Very clear call.</p>
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		<title>By: mattcerrone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mattcerrone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 23:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well then I think the rule should be that when the umpire calls an infield fly rule so that the fielder can not intentionally drop the ball so as to cause an easy double play that the fielder STILL has to catch the ball - and IF he does not make the catch the umpire then grants the hitter first base and advances each baserunner one additional base  Seems much fairer to me that way.

The problem with the infield fly rule (as we saw in the Braves-Cardinals Wild Card game) is that it can bail out a fielder when he simply is unable to catch the fly ball.  I think the fielder should ALWAYS accomplish the actual feat of catching the fly ball.  If he does not make the catch - either because he is trying to fool the baserunners into running off the base OR he simply makes an error - then the offensive team should not be penalized by granting an out to the defensive team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well then I think the rule should be that when the umpire calls an infield fly rule so that the fielder can not intentionally drop the ball so as to cause an easy double play that the fielder STILL has to catch the ball &#8211; and IF he does not make the catch the umpire then grants the hitter first base and advances each baserunner one additional base  Seems much fairer to me that way.</p>
<p>The problem with the infield fly rule (as we saw in the Braves-Cardinals Wild Card game) is that it can bail out a fielder when he simply is unable to catch the fly ball.  I think the fielder should ALWAYS accomplish the actual feat of catching the fly ball.  If he does not make the catch &#8211; either because he is trying to fool the baserunners into running off the base OR he simply makes an error &#8211; then the offensive team should not be penalized by granting an out to the defensive team.</p>
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		<title>By: bigharold</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 23:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From one Harold to another, . he nailed it.

You can NEVER have enough Harold&#039;s to get things right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From one Harold to another, . he nailed it.</p>
<p>You can NEVER have enough Harold&#8217;s to get things right.</p>
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		<title>By: lgwelsh1</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 22:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harold couldn&#039;t have explained it better, the call was 100% correct on the field.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harold couldn&#8217;t have explained it better, the call was 100% correct on the field.</p>
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		<title>By: jdillydawg</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 22:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe they should just do away with the infield fly rule. That way, batters won&#039;t hit routine pop ups in the infield anymore. What with Seattle bringing in the left field fence, a long fly ball to left field won&#039;t be anything but a long fly ball to short stop, so really, why have the rule at all?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe they should just do away with the infield fly rule. That way, batters won&#8217;t hit routine pop ups in the infield anymore. What with Seattle bringing in the left field fence, a long fly ball to left field won&#8217;t be anything but a long fly ball to short stop, so really, why have the rule at all?</p>
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		<title>By: skerney</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[skerney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 21:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harold, you get to hug all the ladies in the office today. Just today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harold, you get to hug all the ladies in the office today. Just today.</p>
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		<title>By: sophiethegreatdane</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sophiethegreatdane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 21:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good explanation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: sophiethegreatdane</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 21:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish I could give another 10 thumbs up, because to me this is the crux of the argument and you are 100% correct.  There is nothing extraordinary about the effort of a SS drifting into left field to catch a pop-up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could give another 10 thumbs up, because to me this is the crux of the argument and you are 100% correct.  There is nothing extraordinary about the effort of a SS drifting into left field to catch a pop-up.</p>
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		<title>By: hittfamily</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 20:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree Cur.  This play should be treated like defensive offsides in football or icing in hockey, where a the ref throws a flag or puts his arm up to signal an infraction, but play continues.  After the play is over, a ruling will be made. 

My first instinct was to suggest no forceout could be made on an infield fly, but that hurts the defensive team, as Holliday likely had a play at second or third.  

Upon consideration, I believe the best thing to do is to have the umpire announce infield fly, but not call the batter out.  Instead allow the play to finish, then give the offensive coach the choice of either the outcome of the play, or the batter being called out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Cur.  This play should be treated like defensive offsides in football or icing in hockey, where a the ref throws a flag or puts his arm up to signal an infraction, but play continues.  After the play is over, a ruling will be made. </p>
<p>My first instinct was to suggest no forceout could be made on an infield fly, but that hurts the defensive team, as Holliday likely had a play at second or third.  </p>
<p>Upon consideration, I believe the best thing to do is to have the umpire announce infield fly, but not call the batter out.  Instead allow the play to finish, then give the offensive coach the choice of either the outcome of the play, or the batter being called out.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 20:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But that&#039;s exactly why the infield fly rule was created in the first place.

Picture guys on first/second with nobody out. The ball is hit to the SS who&#039;s playing at his standard position. The runners aren&#039;t going to go off the bag, because it&#039;s an easy catch.

Except the SS let&#039;s the ball drop, allowing him to throw to third for one out and second for the other. So he gets the double play.

The infield fly rule prevents that, so even if the fielder drops it as in my example the batter is automatically out.

Forcing the fielder to catch the ball effectively eliminates the whole idea behind the infield fly rule. Which is to prevent the runners from being doubled up on a routine fly ball.

So long story short, no, the fielder shouldn&#039;t be required to catch the ball.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But that&#8217;s exactly why the infield fly rule was created in the first place.</p>
<p>Picture guys on first/second with nobody out. The ball is hit to the SS who&#8217;s playing at his standard position. The runners aren&#8217;t going to go off the bag, because it&#8217;s an easy catch.</p>
<p>Except the SS let&#8217;s the ball drop, allowing him to throw to third for one out and second for the other. So he gets the double play.</p>
<p>The infield fly rule prevents that, so even if the fielder drops it as in my example the batter is automatically out.</p>
<p>Forcing the fielder to catch the ball effectively eliminates the whole idea behind the infield fly rule. Which is to prevent the runners from being doubled up on a routine fly ball.</p>
<p>So long story short, no, the fielder shouldn&#8217;t be required to catch the ball.</p>
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		<title>By: mattcerrone</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 20:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can someone tell me why the player is not required to catch the ball once an infield fly rule is called? Shouldn’t the fielder STILL be required to catch the ball?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone tell me why the player is not required to catch the ball once an infield fly rule is called? Shouldn’t the fielder STILL be required to catch the ball?</p>
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		<title>By: wlschneider09</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wlschneider09]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 19:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The rules also don&#039;t say anything about when to call a ground rule double or out of play ball, but there are standard practices that umps use for those situations, just as there are for the infield fly rule. That&#039;s the point of Reynolds&#039; spiel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rules also don&#8217;t say anything about when to call a ground rule double or out of play ball, but there are standard practices that umps use for those situations, just as there are for the infield fly rule. That&#8217;s the point of Reynolds&#8217; spiel.</p>
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		<title>By: nofunleague</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nofunleague]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 19:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the problem is it doesn&#039;t happen often, and those of us who think we know all of the rules, were just schooled.  This why the umps go to school and spend years getting to the majors.  throw the ball away three times and you lose.  Learn the rules fans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the problem is it doesn&#8217;t happen often, and those of us who think we know all of the rules, were just schooled.  This why the umps go to school and spend years getting to the majors.  throw the ball away three times and you lose.  Learn the rules fans.</p>
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		<title>By: deep64blue</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 19:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not in the rules but it is in the Umpires Mechanics guide and quoted in The Umpire&#039;s Handbook, co-written by longtime major-league umpire Joe Brinkman

&quot;The call should be made when the ball has reached its highest point and is about to fall.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not in the rules but it is in the Umpires Mechanics guide and quoted in The Umpire&#8217;s Handbook, co-written by longtime major-league umpire Joe Brinkman</p>
<p>&#8220;The call should be made when the ball has reached its highest point and is about to fall.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: cur68</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cur68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 19:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Precisely. If he waits to call IF AFTER the ball drops and he sees the Bravos advance, 1 out, bases loaded, he NEVER calls IF. He called IF to save the Braves from being doubled off (precisely what the rule is for) without ever seeing if being doubled off was likely (resulting in what the rule ISN&#039;T for: victimizing the base runners &amp; batting team). Its a judgement call IN EITHER ITERATION OF THE RULE, but at least in the scenario I&#039;m proposing he has much better chance of applying the rule correctly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Precisely. If he waits to call IF AFTER the ball drops and he sees the Bravos advance, 1 out, bases loaded, he NEVER calls IF. He called IF to save the Braves from being doubled off (precisely what the rule is for) without ever seeing if being doubled off was likely (resulting in what the rule ISN&#8217;T for: victimizing the base runners &amp; batting team). Its a judgement call IN EITHER ITERATION OF THE RULE, but at least in the scenario I&#8217;m proposing he has much better chance of applying the rule correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: cur68</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cur68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 19:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its a judgement call all the way as it is. My suggestion is to make it AFTER the ump see what happens, where they don&#039;t have to guess. No worse than what&#039;s going on right now and might get a better result going forward.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a judgement call all the way as it is. My suggestion is to make it AFTER the ump see what happens, where they don&#8217;t have to guess. No worse than what&#8217;s going on right now and might get a better result going forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim's Neighbor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim's Neighbor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 19:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The rule doesn&#039;t need to be changed.  It&#039;s a great rule.  In this case, the umpire did poorly in using it.  

1. He called it way too late even had Kozma caught it.
2. He called it after Kozma had moved away from the ball.
3. It&#039;s never ordinary when two defenders are on a course into each other.
4. The rule is to prevent the double-play, no way in hell can someone drop a ball there and double up the runners.

The only thing I could think that they could change in the rule would be for playoffs and stating that an OF umpire cannot call an infield fly.  That seems like common sense now, but obviously it wasn&#039;t placed in the rules beforehand.  

It&#039;s a tough job, but it just seems like the umpire was trying too hard to be perfect here.  You gotta let them play sometimes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rule doesn&#8217;t need to be changed.  It&#8217;s a great rule.  In this case, the umpire did poorly in using it.  </p>
<p>1. He called it way too late even had Kozma caught it.<br />
2. He called it after Kozma had moved away from the ball.<br />
3. It&#8217;s never ordinary when two defenders are on a course into each other.<br />
4. The rule is to prevent the double-play, no way in hell can someone drop a ball there and double up the runners.</p>
<p>The only thing I could think that they could change in the rule would be for playoffs and stating that an OF umpire cannot call an infield fly.  That seems like common sense now, but obviously it wasn&#8217;t placed in the rules beforehand.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a tough job, but it just seems like the umpire was trying too hard to be perfect here.  You gotta let them play sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: kehnn13</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 19:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only similar example you give is the tuck rule, and I&#039;m pretty certain that most observers of that play still feel that the raiders got jobbed on that play...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only similar example you give is the tuck rule, and I&#8217;m pretty certain that most observers of that play still feel that the raiders got jobbed on that play&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: albertmn</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 19:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very good explanation by Reynolds.  Whether or not you agree with the call, once the ump called it, you really can&#039;t change it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good explanation by Reynolds.  Whether or not you agree with the call, once the ump called it, you really can&#8217;t change it.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 19:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It isn&#039;t the frequency that the play happens that is relevant, it is the effort required.  Ordinary effort is exactly what Kozma gave, he didn&#039;t have to sprint, he drifted back under control and would have caught the ball easily if he didn&#039;t peel off; if he caught it, everyone would have regarded it as a routine catch, because it is....and it happens all the time, and umpires always call it an infield fly when the proper conditions exist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t the frequency that the play happens that is relevant, it is the effort required.  Ordinary effort is exactly what Kozma gave, he didn&#8217;t have to sprint, he drifted back under control and would have caught the ball easily if he didn&#8217;t peel off; if he caught it, everyone would have regarded it as a routine catch, because it is&#8230;.and it happens all the time, and umpires always call it an infield fly when the proper conditions exist.</p>
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