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Jaime Garcia’s shoulder injury has teammates “incensed” and team “skeptical”

Oct 9, 2012, 10:47 AM EDT

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Jaime Garcia was pulled from his Game 2 start after just two innings and the Cardinals have decided to remove him from the playoff roster after the left-hander complained of shoulder problems.

And that’s where it starts to get interesting, according to Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post Dispatch.

Garcia was apparently pitching at less than full strength, but didn’t tell anyone that until after his poor start against the Nationals. General manager John Mozeliak called the team’s lack of knowledge about Garcia’s issue “frustrating” and it sounds like that’s an understatement.

Strauss reports that “several teammates were incensed to learn that Garcia started such a monumental game if indeed compromised physically.” On the other hand, Strauss also writes that “a faction within the organization has remained skeptical about the severity of Garcia’s condition.”

Which, when taken together, paints a very odd picture. Garcia’s teammates are angry he pitched hurt and Garcia’s team doesn’t believe he was all that hurt? Doesn’t that seem like it has to be one or the other, at the very least?

Garcia, who missed two months earlier this season with a shoulder injury, underwent an MRI exam yesterday. If he’s indeed removed from the NLDS roster he’ll be ineligible to rejoin the roster until the World Series.

  1. vallewho - Oct 9, 2012 at 10:55 AM

    so they are angry that he pitched hurt ….or would have been angry (and question his manhood) if he had taken himself out before the start and didn’t pitch. Gee I wonder why these things happen?

  2. fearlessleader - Oct 9, 2012 at 11:04 AM

    I’m sure there’s something to this, but let me alert non-St. Louisans to the fact that Joe Strauss, while often an excellent source of Cards-related news, is also a shameless shit-stirrer. If you don’t believe me, check out his Twitter feed, which mostly consists of smugly dissing St. Louis and its team/media/stadium/fans. His delight at being able to report negative news from the clubhouse is almost pathological, so although it’s perfectly plausible that some of Garcia’s teammates are fed up with him for one reason or another, I’m loath to get too excited about this until we know more.

    • ironpeddler255 - Oct 9, 2012 at 12:02 PM

      Well said and factually right on the money.

      Strauss should be as accurate in his writings.

      • okwhitefalcon - Oct 9, 2012 at 12:32 PM

        Strauss is indeed a shit stirrer, mostly in the fact that he seems to take delight with the reporting of anything negative.

        That said, he doesn’t report things he doesn’t hear from informed sources – he’s not a columnist who gets paid for his opinion. He’s an old school beat reporter who actually reports

        He’s was ahead of the curve on Pujols fractured relationship with the front office (he had that nailed 2 years before it actually happened) and Rasmus/Ryan wearing out there welcome and getting exiled.

        Back to Garcia, I tend to believe where there’s smoke there’s fire.

        He was already a bit of a head case, now he maybe an injury prone head case who the organization (both players and mgmt) may not trust.

        Not a good combo going forward if true.

      • paperlions - Oct 9, 2012 at 2:00 PM

        Yes, Strauss regular infuses his “reporting” with his opinion. Let’s not act like the guy isn’t hyper-biased. He doesn’t like the way the Cardinals do things now, he would have loved it if they had gone in the tank after they showed Jocketty the door, and he can’t stand they they are a good team still capable of winning.

        Remember, this is the guy that started calling all Cardinal prospects Faberge Eggs because the new regime wouldn’t just trade them all away like they were worthless chips for veterany goodness. Nearly the entire starting lineup (minus Holiday and Beltran), the majority of the bullpen, and most of the starters are ALL guys that came up through the Cardinal system (either drafted or traded for when they were low-level MiLB guys).

        Strauss is bitter, he hunts out any little kernal he can plant, water, and shine a bright light on….and take great joy in being that jerkwad.

    • fearlessleader - Oct 9, 2012 at 12:39 PM

      Falcon—agreed. I don’t doubt that something’s up. I’m just reluctant to run with “incensed” until we know for sure.

      • okwhitefalcon - Oct 9, 2012 at 2:59 PM

        I tend to think something is up but to what degree who knows.

        I doubt it’s anything close to a Rasmus/Ryan/Tyler Greene situations where exit visa’s were eminent but I wouldn’t be surprised if he got his walking papers either.

        It’ll make for a fun off season subplot no matter how it shakes out.

  3. jm91rs - Oct 9, 2012 at 11:07 AM

    Did Garcia kick someone in the head at some point in his life? I learned from St. Louis fans on this site the other day that when a pitcher gets hurt it’s payback for kicking someone in the head.

    • lazlosother - Oct 9, 2012 at 11:51 AM

      And it continues. I’m an AL fan, but I’m dying to see the Cards & Reds square off in the NLCS, even if just for the comments here.

      • stlouis1baseball - Oct 9, 2012 at 12:05 PM

        Strangely Lazlo…
        I am ALSO dying to see the Cardinals and Redlegs square off in the Championship Series.

  4. wretchu - Oct 9, 2012 at 11:41 AM

    All over St. Louis it’s well established that the guy is a headcase. When he’s going well he can be a very effective pitcher with Cy Young potential. But as soon as he lets a run come in, or if the defense boots a ball behind him, the flood gates are opened and he’s done for the night mentally.

    • forsch31 - Oct 9, 2012 at 1:58 PM

      Welcome to Narrative 101. Others like Viva El Birdos have looked at that view and found it to be patently false.

      • wretchu - Oct 9, 2012 at 2:05 PM

        I don’t see how you could. You can’t prove a guy’s mental health. I love VEB, but sometimes those guys rely too much on sabermetrics and disregard what they actually see. I mean c’mon, look no further than the debacle that happened immediately before he was put on the DL in the first place. “Hey Jaime, what’s wrong?” “Dunno, just didn’t have it.” “Well are you hurt?” “No.” “So you’re pitching 100%?” “I didn’t say that.” “So you are hurt?” “I don’t have any pain.”

  5. bovice23 - Oct 9, 2012 at 11:48 AM

    I bet lifetime hypocrite Chris Carpenter is mad for both reasons

    • stlouis1baseball - Oct 9, 2012 at 12:04 PM

      bovice: Your boy is a Warrior. Like him or not…that is a fact you simple can’t refute.

  6. willclarkgameface - Oct 9, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    So dramatic.

    I hate it when sports get reported like the people involved are on an episode of The Hills. Can’t these just be games and can’t the guys just be annoyed with Garcia because, like a great deal of athletes, he wanted to challenge himself and battle against the pain?

    I try to not follow very much media during the playoffs including pre and post game shows. The games tell the story. Watch the games.

  7. RBIs Win Games - Oct 9, 2012 at 12:08 PM

    Won’t we know when we see the results of the MRI. Speculation, kids, it’s all speculation.

  8. stlouis1baseball - Oct 9, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    The only difference between this issue and one in 2006 was the one in 2006 involved a well respected veteran.

  9. jayscarpa - Oct 9, 2012 at 12:31 PM

    He’s affordable for the next 3 years so I’m sure the Cardinals can get something for him.

  10. forsch31 - Oct 9, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    >>>”Doesn’t that seem like it has to be one or the other, at the very least?”

    Only if you think the entire team thinks the same way. From Strauss’s article, it sounds like many on the team are upset that Garcia started the game knowing he was hurt, while there’s a “faction” in the clubhouse that believes Garcia’s injuries aren’t as severe as he’s making them out to be.

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