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Quote of the Day: Nats players pining for Strasburg

Oct 10, 2012, 8:52 AM EDT

Stephen Strasburg, Davey Johnson AP AP

Ken Rosenthal has a “the Nats need Strasburg” column up today.  At the beginning, this nugget:

“If we had ‘Stras, we’d be up 2-0,” one player told me Tuesday.

It’s not like anyone can know that, but yikes that anyone would even say that in the first place, anonymously or not.  And, according to Rosenthal, it’s not just a random veteran who sees 2012 as the last best chance to get a ring. He says the clubhouse is divided, and that younger players are upset about it too.

Can’t help but think that if the Nats get bounced from the playoffs due to poor pitching, it’ll be ugly city, with people actually willing to go on the record about the shutdown.

  1. paperlions - Oct 10, 2012 at 8:59 AM

    If they had the Stras from the 2nd half, they very well could be 0-2. The Cardinals gave away the game Gonzalez pitched….and it isn’t like Stras was better than Zimmerman down the stretch. This kind of stuff is similar to the backup QB being the most loved player on a team…yeah, until you have to rely on him. Wistful assumptions of untapped awesomeness are generally unwarranted.

    • e5again - Oct 10, 2012 at 10:50 AM

      Only problem is Stras is the ace, not the backup QB.

      • prionogenic - Oct 10, 2012 at 11:52 AM

        The point is that the guy on the bench that never gets in the game will always look better because he didn’t get the chance to fail and the optimists will always say he could’ve done better

      • kevinbnyc - Oct 10, 2012 at 1:31 PM

        But the point still stands that he, in the grand scheme of things, is their best pitcher.

  2. greymares - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:01 AM

    The decision to shut Stasburg down will turn out to be one of the blunders of all time. people just don’t know how hard it is to reach the playoffs. this group may never be in this position again. I understand how many in the fan base will be laughing at that statement but it has been proven many times.

    • escapingexile - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:31 AM

      It’s also been proven many times that throwing a baseball 100+ times every five days for six months causes extraordinary amounts of strain on a pitcher’s arm/shoulder. So, by your philosophy, it’s better to ignore the fact that all signs point toward this team being in contention for years to come given their young nucleus of signed players, and go all in now (when nothing is guaranteed) risking a second TJ surgery for your 24 year old stud pitcher?

      • greymares - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:41 AM

        did you start watching baseball yesterday pichers have been known to pitch back to back 9/10 inning outings on 3 days rest if you pitch your a pitcher and if your a pitcher you take the ball every 4th day and do the absolute best for your team your argument (for me ) doesn’t hold water throwing a measley 100 pitches does more harm than to go out there and throw 150 piches every 4 days. If you require T.J. SURGERY OR ANY OTHER,.it’s about not being properly conditioned. and by the way the decision should come down to the player not the G.M., unless the G.M. doesn’t think he’s good enough.

      • escapingexile - Oct 10, 2012 at 10:13 AM

        Lol…. Have you watched baseball recently? There’s this new experiment they are trying called a five man rotation which dictates that pitchers pitch on five days rest and sometimes six. Management is often tasked with the responsibility to protect the player from themselves. Statistically and factually speaking, for me, your argument is not valid.

      • escapingexile - Oct 10, 2012 at 10:18 AM

        Edit function…. Every fifth day or every sixth day. Not five and six days rest. Damn work messing up my train of thought.

  3. Francisco (FC) - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:02 AM

    Admit it Craig… you’re feasting on this stuff.

    • natstowngreg - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:27 AM

      Yup. He needed a replacement for trolling Phillies fans, and Nats fans came along at just the right time.

      • greymares - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:43 AM

        a nats fan wouldn’t make a pimple on a Phillies fan’s butt.

      • natstowngreg - Oct 10, 2012 at 10:48 AM

        Gee, did you think of that all by yourself?

    • DelawarePhilliesFan - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:56 AM

      Perhaps some trolling is going on over all, but this one is not. This is a story, unless Rosenthal is wrong or the player was misquoted

      • Francisco (FC) - Oct 10, 2012 at 12:27 PM

        Sure it’s a story, but the reaction was predictable and that’s why I say he’s feasting. He knows the loony ones will come out of the woodwork.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Oct 10, 2012 at 12:52 PM

        True, you were playing up the “feasting” angle. And yes, Craig is lovin’ every minute of it

  4. goskinsvt - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:02 AM

    jfc would everyone just calm down. The Nats split a road series, which was really what they were hoping for in the first place.

  5. pdowdy83 - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:04 AM

    Boy you have it in for trolling Nats fans today, eh?

    Rosenthal is just trying to get a few extra readers today. All he did was completely rehash the same things he was writing when they shut him down and put 2 new paragraphs at the beginning of it and sprinkle in an anonymous quote or two. It isn’t news that some of the players didn’t like the shut down. Adam Laroche and a couple others came out and said they didn’t like it but that it was something they had to deal with and there was no reason to dwell on it. Now by Rosenthal bringing it back up he is just hoping for people to spread the article and get some extra traffic.

    • Craig Calcaterra - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:10 AM

      If there was no reason to dwell on it, why are players still telling reporters that it’s a problem? I think it’s news that, in the middle of a playoff series, they’re dwelling on it.

      Tip: when reporters report things you don’t like, it’s not always because they want more traffic. It could be because things you don’t like are happening.

      • pdowdy83 - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:51 AM

        Tip: when someone uses an anonymous quote without providing any context at all it lacks some credibility. My “likes” and “dislikes” had nothing to do with my post.

        Who is to say that quote didn’t come from Jordan Zimmermann with the context of “If Strasburg had pitched instead of my horrible game, we would be up 2-0.” Nobody knows who said it and how it was said outside of the player and Rosenthal. It could have been a completely tongue and cheek statement or it could have been doom and gloom but Rosenthal did nothing to put it into perspective and simply rehashed the same things he said a month ago.

        As a constant reader here I do appreciate you actually responding to comments. It gives this site a much more personal feel.

      • shawndc04 - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:54 AM

        Then let him tell us who said it and what the entire conversation was. Without that, I don’t believe a word Rosenthal says. Reporters never make stuff up, or do they, Craig?

      • Craig Calcaterra - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:56 AM

        If you think that Ken Rosenthal is manufacturing quotes, you’re beyond help.

      • shawndc04 - Oct 10, 2012 at 10:09 AM

        Sorry Craig, but Rosenthal is wrong so often that it’s laughable. Don’t patronize us with this ex cathedra stuff.

      • nategearhart - Oct 10, 2012 at 10:33 AM

        shawndc04, if an article by Ken Rosenthal featured an anonymous quote from a player saying “I think shutting Strasburg down was the right move”, would you be questioning whether the quote is real? I doubt it.

      • shawndc04 - Oct 10, 2012 at 10:43 AM

        @nategearhart

        No I wouldn’t question it because sounds reasonable. Rosenthal’s quote just sounds like manure-stirring to create controversy and readership while he hides behind anonymity. Having followed the Nationals since they’ve been here, including this year, I don’t believe that there are guys on this team who would say that at this time. Until Rosenthal provides names and the full conversation, I don’t believe him.

      • natstowngreg - Oct 10, 2012 at 10:57 AM

        I agree with Craig. This is not about Rosenthal. Sounds like one or more players making excuses for the team’s utter failure Sunday. That’s the disturbing thing.

        Did the Cards make excuses for not having Adam Wainwright last year? Did America make excuses after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Of course not. A few guys in the Nats’ clubhouse need to stop making excuses and play better.

      • pdowdy83 - Oct 10, 2012 at 4:18 PM

        Craig, there is a difference between “manufacturing a quote” and providing context for one coming from an anonymous person. I understand keeping the anonymity of the person being quoted but his article makes it sound like a player sought him out for the sole purpose of complaining about the shut down.

        Glad the best response you could come up with is “you’re beyond help”. That was very insightful.

    • escapingexile - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:23 AM

      I would have to disagree with you here. With the exception of maybe New York, where Jeter can’t even take a leak without there being some sort of strife in the clubhouse, it is a safe assumption in most cities that if there is some smoke, that might be the signs of a fire. The onus is on the players to carry on and deliver, despite their agreement or disagreement with the decisions of management. Indeed, if they are still publicly talking about it, that in itself is a problem.
      Just a thought: Rosenthal is pretty entrenched in what he does, and I find it hard to believe that he needs to drum up some extra traffic. It’s not like we are talking about TJ Simers here.

  6. stex52 - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:18 AM

    I think it was an unwise choice. But he could have walked out and wrecked his shoulder or taken a pitch in the face in his next start, too. Or he could have pitched a no-hitter. Or he could have been bombed in the playoffs. We won’t know.

    What seems bad to me now is that the players are discussing it. If it starts influencing the clubhouse, they have a real problem.

  7. illcomm - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:22 AM

    If something has a negative vibe, you can garuntee that Craig will write one of his dumb blogs on it.

  8. willclarkgameface - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:23 AM

    Don’t say these kinds of things around these parts – Nats fans are TESTY.

    The fact of the matter is this: the person that was quoted is right. The Nats should have had their entire staff together for this series, not just Gio, Zim, and the rag tag bunch.

    DC Fans: stop sticking up for this decision. I mean, you will once the Nats lose handily. But really, just stop defending Rizzo. It’s not healthy.

    • shawndc04 - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:51 AM

      Total BS. Strasburg was fading down the stretch just as Zimmermann did last year. Check your facts before you emulate Calcaterra and post something stupid.

    • 18thstreet - Oct 10, 2012 at 11:48 AM

      Dear Nats fans:

      Everyone likes you better when your team sucks. Once you start winning, you’re entitled losers. Just enjoy the playoffs.

      Signed,
      Red Sox fans

  9. atom55 - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:25 AM

    Though I disagree with shutting Strasberg down, it’s not like he was going to be taking Jordan Zimmerman’s place in the postseason rotation.

    How about this: If Edwin Jackson gets hammered and they lose, *then* you can start grumbling.

  10. vcupats - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:27 AM

    “Ugly city” was Atlanta on Friday night.

  11. unlost1 - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:36 AM

    Nationals players should just boycott on the pretene that they too might get injured from overexertion.

  12. unlost1 - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:37 AM

    Nationals players should just boycott on the pretense that they too might get injured from overexertion.

    • nategearhart - Oct 10, 2012 at 10:35 AM

      Good idea! Then they wouldn’t have to worry about traffic, too.

  13. paperlions - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:37 AM

    If Stras would have kept pitching great, they may have not decided to shelve him….but he wasn’t nearly as good in the 2nd half as he was in the first…considering his historical work loads, it is reasonable to guess/assume (and maybe the team has evidence) that he was tiring and fatigued. Every study on pitching mechanics concludes that pitchers are more susceptible to injury when they are fatigued.

    In short, if he showed no signs of fatigue and declining performance, he’d probably still be active….but he did, for months, so he’s not.

  14. nolanwiffle - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:41 AM

    That’ll teach the Nats not to go on the road and split two games with the defending World Series champs. The sky is falling!!

  15. hisgirlgotburrelled - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:48 AM

    Call Jimmy Rollins and ask him what “ifs” are worth this year.

    • hisgirlgotburrelled - Oct 10, 2012 at 10:00 AM

      Besides, it’s not that great of an argument. The bullpen allowed 8 runs in game 2. Strasburg did pitch well against the Cardinals a month ago, but who is to say he wouldn’t have allowed a run again and after being taken out for his high pitch count after 6 or 7 innings that the bullpen wouldn’t have allowed runs either? No one… Not to mention why you’re still worrying about game 2 at all knowing you have to win 2 of 3 at home.

  16. bigleagues - Oct 10, 2012 at 9:54 AM

    Division Series TIED 1-1 and even one player complaining that Strasburg isn’t available to pitch is most definitely news – not to mention, it’s not a good sign of the clubhouse psyche.

    Not only that, but it’s sort of a backhanded slap at Zimmerman.

  17. spudchukar - Oct 10, 2012 at 10:30 AM

    Early starting time, wish we still had our Ace, and too many white shirts in the stands. When you are resigned to creating excuses your mind is not in the right place. Not only have the Nats replaced the Pheelies as the champs of the East, they are beginning to sound like them too.

  18. akismet-e6748cca3a16ea6e8283008d25583adc - Oct 10, 2012 at 10:52 AM

    Such a cherry-picking BS gutless story. Find the one guy in the clubhouse who has the opinion that enables you to write what you want to write, then anonymously quote him and write the same regurgitated BS that we’ve been hearing about Strasburg for weeks.

  19. kappy32 - Oct 10, 2012 at 3:50 PM

    I still can’t, for the life of me, understand why they shut him down. As the season went on & they had a healthy lead in the NL East, they could’ve went to a 6-man rotation with Strasburg throwing bullpens in between to keep fresh. They could’ve also skipped him in the rotation a couple times down the stretch to limit his innings, while throwing simulated games on his turn to keep him fresh. Being that they shut him down completely, there’s no chance he comes back & that is a complete slap in the face to the other players on that team. There are players there who may not be on this team after this year & may never find themselves in the playoffs again. Had they thrown a 1-3 of Gonzalez, Stras, Zimmerman, they would CLEARLY be the favorites to come out of the NL. It’s such a damn shame that after decades of Expos/Nats futility that they pissed away their chances by being overly cautious with Strasburg. I’m a Mets fan, but I like the Nats; I travel down there to see a lot of games, including all the games v. The Mets. If the Mets weren’t going to be there, which was obvious from a week before the ASB, I was pulling for the Nats. One problem I can see coming out of this is that players may be less likely to go there via free agency when the team has shown the baseball world they will not go all-in to win.

  20. goodellisruiningtheleague - Oct 10, 2012 at 4:11 PM

    THANK GOD! I was wondering when another article trolling the Nationals fans was going to show up by Craig!

    Can we get some more articles on the Yankees/Orioles series that the Orioles could possibly win

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