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Deep Thoughts: ex-Phillies edition

Oct 12, 2012, 10:30 AM EDT

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Forgot to mention this earlier, but I was really wondering last night how it felt for Phillies fans to see Raul Ibanez play hero on Wednesday night and then, less than 20 hours later, seeing Jayson Werth play the hero for the Nats.

If Scott Rolen had gone yard instead of striking out to end the Giants-Reds game, it may have been pandemonium.  And I wonder if it’s too late for the Yankees to get Shane Victorino to replace Granderson in center tonight …

  1. shaggylocks - Oct 12, 2012 at 10:36 AM

    I always thought your “trolling Phillies fans” reputation was a bit overblown, but now, I’m not so sure.

    Also, the Phillie Phanatic. What’s UP with that thing?

    • Craig Calcaterra - Oct 12, 2012 at 10:38 AM

      This was more of a command performance. A bunch of Phillies people on Twitter asked me if I was gonna do this kind of post after Werth’s homer.

      It’s getting to be like Don Rickles, with people asking him to insult them. Sometimes I just oblige.

      • phipfwe76 - Oct 12, 2012 at 3:37 PM

        As a Phillies fan, the Ibanez one doesn’t bother me at all. He really holds no value to any team in the NL right now at 40 with no fielding skills. He would just be taking up a roster spot here. So it’s nice to see him find a niche (even if it is with the hated Yankees)

        Werth on the other hand…. I was one of many that laughed when he fled for the sad, sad Nationals. Now I sit here and silently weep.

  2. kvanhorn87 - Oct 12, 2012 at 10:41 AM

    Since the Nats spent like crazy, no ill will here. Since The phillies spent poorly they didn’t have the flexibility to take the chance on Raul. Good luck to him and job well done. Scott Rolen leaving was a good move. Without Victorino and Pence the Phillies played better. Nice attempt but I think most of us feel good for Raul and Werth is a fun rivalry.

    • ml3939 - Oct 12, 2012 at 10:54 AM

      How was Rolen leaving a good move? He wanted to leave because at the time they weren’t a team that was going to spend money to build around him. Excuse him for wanting to win.

      • biasedhomer - Oct 12, 2012 at 1:37 PM

        The Phils offered him a $100M contract. They were willing to open their wallets.

    • deepstblu - Oct 12, 2012 at 1:06 PM

      Home/road splits (OPS .895/.634, BA .273/.208, HR 14/5 with a few more road plate appearances) suggest that the Phillies, the Yankees and Raul all made the right decision.

  3. kvanhorn87 - Oct 12, 2012 at 10:42 AM

    And I surely would trade another epic failure by the Braves for any possible resentment over Raul and Werth.

  4. sdelmonte - Oct 12, 2012 at 10:44 AM

    Here’s a list of players who have been in Philly in the past and were on playoff rosters. It could be Thome’s turn tonight.

    • moogro - Oct 12, 2012 at 11:53 AM

      I know. I have been yearning for Thome to bring it. But he’s looking pretty helpless on breaking balls on the outer half. They’ll just keeping doing that.

  5. mdpickles - Oct 12, 2012 at 10:46 AM

    How is Omar Infante doing for the Tigers? Would anyone in Atlanta even care if he became a postseason hero?

    • phinphan85 - Oct 12, 2012 at 10:49 AM

      Half of them probably wouldn’t even know he played for their team for 3 years.

    • bravojawja - Oct 12, 2012 at 11:41 AM

      Omar Infante was never a Thing in Atlanta like Werth or Pence or Ibanez was. If someone like Francoeur had gone on to win in the postseason, that would have been different.

      Omar was a nice story here, but nobody expected the team to be built around him and nobody expected him to command any huge payday or prospect haul once he left.

    • Francisco (FC) - Oct 12, 2012 at 11:56 AM

      Pffft, what about Nate McClouth?

  6. DelawarePhilliesFan - Oct 12, 2012 at 10:51 AM

    You left out Scott Rolens error in Game 3.

    Phillies fans are happy for Ibanez (seriously), and no one in Philly is saying “Gosh, if only he had a different Left Handed Platoon outfielder this year”. Ibanez = no Juan Pierre, and frankly, that would have been a downgrade this season (check the stats). Unless Ibanez had some middle relief chops, having him would make no difference.

    He needed to move on, and glad it is working for him

  7. Francisco (FC) - Oct 12, 2012 at 10:51 AM

    And I wonder if it’s too late for the Yankees to get Shane Victorino to replace Granderson in center tonight …

    I think Granderson would feel more stung with that remark than any Phillies fan! LOL.

  8. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Oct 12, 2012 at 10:57 AM

    Don’t forget about Hunter Pence being the new spiritual leader of the Giants

    • areyesrn - Oct 12, 2012 at 2:35 PM

      what a frickin fraud…Pence, that is…

  9. phillyphannn83 - Oct 12, 2012 at 10:58 AM

    Happy for Raul, but he had to go. Hes a liability in the field as an everyday player. When we didnt re-sign him, everyone and their mother knew he was headed to the AL. Im still confused by the Victorino deal, it HAD to be about the money because he skills certainly arent diminished. Personally I liked Werth as a player, despite his wierd swing. A lot of Phillies fans didnt like him and he does strike out alot, especially with RISP.

    As for your trolling…Id love to say “how nice to see you back to your ways now that your Braves are watching the games from the same place we are” but I must refrain, for I will draw the ire of your personal protector/defender/worshipper/ball-washer UtleysHair. Im surprised hes not here commenting on this post giving you a round of applause and a back rub for another great troll job. Where is he Craig? Ironing your clothes? Mowing your lawn? Pressing your (sweat)pants? It must feel great to have someone you know will protect you against all critics. Youre so lucky!

    • Utley's Hair - Oct 12, 2012 at 11:25 AM

      Hi, there!!! But, ya know, that would’ve been a nice, snappy, non-whiny retort.

    • mrwillie - Oct 12, 2012 at 11:44 AM

      How much does a ball-washer get paid these days?

    • areyesrn - Oct 12, 2012 at 2:35 PM

      Raul is such a class act that I’m actually rooting for the Yankees…and I HATE the Yankees

      • Utley's Hair - Oct 12, 2012 at 4:34 PM

        It is possible to root for the players and not the team.

  10. themuddychicken - Oct 12, 2012 at 11:00 AM

    I really really really hope that Thome gets in on this action tonight.

  11. cur68 - Oct 12, 2012 at 11:07 AM

    Werth the hero? meh. My Phan Phriends don’t seem to care one way or the other. But Raul Ibanez? Well….RA-uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuullllllllll….as the Phans say. It seems every time that guy does something, the Phans love it. Doesn’t seem to matter to them what uniform he wears. They just love the guy. Gonna probably have to get better material than THAT if you wanna troll the Phans, Craig.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Oct 12, 2012 at 11:15 AM

      Well said. There is something about Ibanez that makes me root for him no matter what team he plays for.

    • Utley's Hair - Oct 12, 2012 at 11:28 AM

      I take exception to your assertion that it doesn’t matter what uniform. He’s wearing Yankee pinstripes. Good for Rauuuuuullllll, I just wish it wasn’t in the Bronx…or any of the Five Boroughs, for that matter.

    • IdahoMariner - Oct 12, 2012 at 12:53 PM

      That’s because Raul rocks. I miss him as a Mariner, and that was a million years ago.

      Also, Mariners fans for the past five or six years have been tracking (and bemoaning) how many former Mariners end up in the playoffs (because so many of our former players end up playing better than they did as Mariners. Huh.). We usually have a pretty sizable contingent, this year less so. But the two obvious ones will probably get a ring, and I couldn’t be happier for Ichiro! and Rauuuuuuuuuuuuuuul!

      • cur68 - Oct 12, 2012 at 1:07 PM

        Heya Mariner. I forgot Raul was a Boatman. That reminds me of something…but what? What??!! I know. It reminds me of this…

        Game after game, game after game,
        We struckout, nor walked nor reached on error;
        As idle as a Punto
        Upon a chalked line.

        Water, gatorade, every where,
        And all the strikezones did shrink;
        Players, great players, every where,
        But still, The Mariners did stink.

      • IdahoMariner - Oct 12, 2012 at 5:56 PM

        Niiiiiiice. :)

    • DelawarePhilliesFan - Oct 12, 2012 at 4:05 PM

      Yea, but I do miss when you get to the Post Season and uninformed chumps like Dick Stockton or Tim McCarver would hear “Rauuuuuuuuuuul” and chime in with “And the Phillies fans are really rainingg the ‘boos’ down on Ibanez, I can’t understand why” Yea, listen closely dumb-ass! Same thing with Chooch

  12. stex52 - Oct 12, 2012 at 11:28 AM

    Remarkably restrained trolling response today. I think that’s why we like you guys. You self-troll so easily, but in the end you seem to get over it pretty quickly. That’s a good trait in baseball; you never know what next year will bring.

    • moogro - Oct 12, 2012 at 11:54 AM

      Self-troll. Good.

  13. kaitgamer - Oct 12, 2012 at 11:31 AM

    I’m happy for Jason Werth and Raul Ibanez…never liked Rolen very much..

    just remember every time Craig posts, he comes from the land of the poster children for losing in the playoffs and obnoxious bottle throwing fans…

    just because they got totally robbed by even needing to play that wild card in the first year of this format, and just because they lost because they choked and had the worst call in recent memory go against them, and just because this was the year they had the best chance, as hudson gets older, jones is retired, mccann can’t play anymore and closers except for mariano rivera never have two great years in a row is no reason to throw bottles on a field for 20 minutes

    • natslady - Oct 12, 2012 at 12:13 PM

      Raul was a Nats-killer, so it was hard to root for him even in Yankee-land. But if Jayson likes him, I like him. :)

      I don’t see Atlanta as out of it next year, that’s a little pessimistic. Medlen full season, I didn’t see any sign of Kimbrall slowing down, and although Larry put in a great final year, it was time. Without knowing what off-season moves are made, it seems like three teams bunched in the East, and two leftovers (Mets and Fish).

  14. makeham98 - Oct 12, 2012 at 11:35 AM

    Rolen left because he didn’t want to play for Larry Bowa. The spending excuse was a fraud, beginning with the Phillies offering th largest contract in their history. And the Phillies have been spending and spending ever since.

  15. ame123 - Oct 12, 2012 at 11:46 AM

    As soon as Rolen left they spent big bucks on Thome and ushered in the era of never ending a season being below .500 again.

  16. hisgirlgotburrelled - Oct 12, 2012 at 11:48 AM

    I’m not sure what there is to think. “Oh I wish we still had them”??? Well that wouldn’t make sense. It’s a funny coincidence.

    Oh, no, actually did aslo think “are the tickets Werth gives to family and friends always in right field?”

  17. mrwillie - Oct 12, 2012 at 12:04 PM

    It’s baseball….other than a very small few, who doesn’t come from somewhere else?

  18. temporarilyexiled - Oct 12, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    Not that I’d expect any of you to let Craig troll you this easily, but if you’re ever wavering, have some perspective. How about what it felt like when the Giants decided it was smart to part with a few outfielders…as in George Foster…Bobby Bonds…Garry Maddox…Gary Matthews…for four magic beans.

  19. greymares - Oct 12, 2012 at 12:34 PM

    Happy for Raul and I hope Werth breaks his balls,LITERALLY

  20. deathmonkey41 - Oct 12, 2012 at 12:47 PM

    It would have been even better had the eventual WS winner picked up Pat Burrell. It always drives the people here at work crazy when I refer to him as Two-Time World Champion, Patrick Brian Burrell. Three-time World Champion would even be better.

  21. xmatt0926x - Oct 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM

    Ibanez is universally loved by Phillies fans. You never truly know the real person but he is perceived to be a great guy, like Thome. Pence? He was here for maybe a year total. I think everyone came to understand that he wasn’t going to be the savior for the offense and was heading to becoming an overpaid free agent. He’s a nice player at $8 million but will be a huge overpay when he gets his 5 years at $15 million per. Another great guy but I don’t think Phillies fans necessarily miss him or hate him for any success with the Giants. One thing about Rolen. He was obviously disliked by the time he left. He was never going to sign and he went at Bowa and the fans as his excuse to leave. it’s been argued over the years as to whether he was ridden out or he was always going to leave anyway because of his stated desire to go back to the midwest. A couple years ago Bowa was on the Mike Missanelli radio show in Philly and Bowa said he and Rolen patched things up and Rolen admitted to him that he never planned on resigning with the Phillies. He planned on signing with a midwest team when he got his free agency all along.

  22. dugldo - Oct 12, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    Phillies? How about those Mariners? Really a bummer knowing how many former Ms have gone to the Yankess and won in the playoffs. Currently ARod ( though he sucks) Ichro and Rauuuuull freakin Ibanez. I want Baltimore to win this just so they don’t.

  23. lancer255 - Oct 12, 2012 at 5:43 PM

    I would love to know your problem with Philadelphia?

  24. schmedley69 - Oct 12, 2012 at 7:34 PM

    I was very happy for Raul. He is a class act all the way and will be welcomed back in Philly with open arms when his playing days are over.

    Werth, on the other hand, is a different story. He had some good years with the Phils, and if he would have handled his exit better he might be welcomed back someday, but not now. He has just made too many stupid comments and his antics during the Nats last visit to Philly this year (where he faked-tossed balls to kids in the stands) have cemented his status on the Mt. Douchemore of ex-Phillies, along with Rolen, J.D. Drew and Billy Wagner.

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