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Reds expected to offer Dusty Baker a “short term” contract

Oct 12, 2012, 8:22 AM EDT

There was chatter during yesterday’s Giants-Reds game that, seeing as though he’s only under contract through 2012 at the moment, it could be Dusty Baker’s last game at the helm in Cincinnati. Which, theoretically, could be his last game as manager.

Seems that isn’t the case, though:

 

Baker’s last deal was a two-year deal, covering 2011 and 2012. The deal he had before that was a three-year contact. In August, the team’s president said he wants Baker in Cincinnati “for many years to come.”

Given the “short” talk here, it’ll be interesting to see if he merely gets a one-year extension.  And, if he does, it’ll be interesting to see if he accepts it.  The team has made long term commitments to Joey Votto and Brandon Phillips.  Does it think that Baker is the guy to take them to the promised land?

  1. urdoingitwrongreds - Oct 12, 2012 at 8:28 AM

    This might be Walt’s way to cover for not wanting him back. Offer him a deal he probably wont accept. I have a hard time really believing Walt wants him back based off the weird dynamic of never really being on the same page these 2 have had the last couple years. Wouldnt be surprised if Bob Castillini is the driving force behind it.

    • urdoingitwrongreds - Oct 12, 2012 at 8:30 AM

      Driving force behind the contract offer I mean.

  2. blacksables - Oct 12, 2012 at 8:49 AM

    In a (my) perfect world, Jockety gets rid of Baker and hire LaRussa.

    The conversation between Cueto and Phillips would be one for the ages.

  3. sailcat54 - Oct 12, 2012 at 8:53 AM

    Baker has a knack for patching together mediocre teams and taking them into the post season. Unfortunately, he just can’t take them all the way to a winning WS.

  4. willclarkgameface - Oct 12, 2012 at 8:55 AM

    Dusty always falls a bit short as a manager. Giants 1993 & 2002. Cubs 2003. Reds 2012. It’s a shame his guys can’t ever pull it together for him. They always take massive dumps at the worst possible time. Maybe he’s a decent manager, but a GREAT manager would be good at rallying the troops. I don’t feel the rally much with him at the helm.

    • Utley's Hair - Oct 12, 2012 at 9:33 AM

      Wait…2003? Wasn’t that caused solely by a goat…and a goat named Bartman?

  5. hushbrother - Oct 12, 2012 at 9:29 AM

    The biggest problem with the Reds in this series was that Darren Baker didn’t wander onto the field while the offense was rallying.

  6. contraryguy - Oct 12, 2012 at 9:35 AM

    Yeah Dusty has issues (to say nothing of the health thing), but one more year is a fair offer. Let’s see if he takes it.

    Even as a Reds fan, I’m among the last to ever defend Dusty, but to his credit the Reds were only about 90% whole this year. People talk of 5-tool players, but the Reds were a 4-tool team; they can’t run. Phillips, Cozart and Votto (the top 3 on the NLDS batting order) all were injured this year at some point, and none run well enough to consider them a base-stealing threat; this was painfully plain to see in the series as they had to rely strictly on singles and homers to create runs.

    For fast players, there’s Stubbs of course, and Dusty put him in the 2 spot much of the year; this infuriated many fans (myself included) because Stubbs can’t hit, in fact his BA has decreased every year since 2009. But Dusty kept starting him, to the exclusion of Chris Heisey or Xavier Paul, either of whom might have done better if given a chance. Put a productive, fast CF on the roster, hit him in a spot where the power guys can drive him in, and maybe Dusty looks like less of a dope.

    • jonrox - Oct 12, 2012 at 10:13 AM

      The only playoff team in the top 10 for steals this year was the giants. The Yankees, Cardinals, Reds, Tigers, and Orioles were all in the bottom 10, and the latter two were the bottom of the league. Clearly, stealing bases did not correlate with winning baseball this year.

      • contraryguy - Oct 12, 2012 at 11:11 AM

        True but what I’m really getting at is run generation, and in the regular season the Reds were the lowest scoring of the playoff teams this year. Teams like Baltimore and NYY can get by without that speed because they have a bunch of big bats. The big bat era left Cinci when Griffey and Dunn did, it’s not the kind of team that Jock seems to want to build, so it follows that speed would help.

      • jonrox - Oct 12, 2012 at 11:23 AM

        I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the Reds were ranked 21st both in runs scored and in on-base percentage. I think getting more people on base in front of Joey Votto is the key for the Reds improving next year, rather than having fewer (by virtue of getting caught stealing).

      • SOBEIT - Oct 12, 2012 at 2:06 PM

        It does if you can’t hit homers and play in a ballpark where homers turn into harmless warning track fly outs.

    • gostlcards5 - Oct 12, 2012 at 7:37 PM

      The only thing I disagree with is the end. Dusty will find a million other ways to look like a dope.

  7. jonrox - Oct 12, 2012 at 11:29 AM

    Specifically, the Reds need to keep their bottom OBP guys out of the 1 and 2 spots. This year, Stubbs (.277 OBP) took 469 plate attempts at 1 or 2, while Cozart (.288) took 583.

    • jonrox - Oct 12, 2012 at 11:30 AM

      ^Bah, that’s a reply to contraryguy

    • SOBEIT - Oct 12, 2012 at 2:05 PM

      But, but, but….Stubbs is like, you know, fast. I guess speed doesn’t matter if you can’t get on base. But that was the problem when he managed the Giants…could not steal at all.

  8. metalhead65 - Oct 12, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    bringing him back even for a year is a mistake and 2013 will be another 2011 for the reds if he does come back. they had basically the same roster this year with better pitching than the one they had when they won 2010 and look what happened in 2011. no as long as he mishandles pitchers the way he does he and the reds will come up short. his constant line up changes for no reason and his insistence on giving the hot bat days off are inexcusable. hit 2 homers in a game? great you sit tom. so stubbs can strike out 3 more times in a game. the only thing he had no control over was his bench,which had to be the weakest in baseball. but that did not stop him from using cairo or valdez as often as he could. remember he is the one who decided to keep the immortal willie harris over todd frazier to start this season and stuck with him untill he had no choice to play somebody else when they demoted him. he is the guy who decided to insert rolen back in the starting lineup over the potential roy who is the reason they were able to hang in there without the injured votto as soon as he was deemed healthy enough to play from his latest injury. this disrupted the chemistry the team had developed with Frazier playing most of the season. finally and more importantly his record in games his teams needed to win to advance to the next level in the playoffs is 1-9 in 19 years as a manager. thanks for the good times dusty now it is time to move on and head home to california and retire.

    • SOBEIT - Oct 12, 2012 at 2:10 PM

      How many men were left on base in the 6th-9th innings? That’s not his fault guys couldn’t make contact and drive in runs…the table was set each inning and your key rbi guys were at the plate.

      • metalhead65 - Oct 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM

        are you a reds fan? did watch them play at all this year? they had that problem all year but managed to win alott of games but that and his mishandling of leake and latos cost them the series. you have the best pen and do not use them? the game that means you either win or your season is over and you do not have anybody warming up when your starter is imploding like latos was? as he did all season he waited till all the damage was done before he went to the pen and of course everyone he brought in after did their job and shut them down but it was to late.again his 1-9 record in games that decide if the teams he has managed move on to the next series says it all.

      • SOBEIT - Oct 12, 2012 at 4:44 PM

        I could never be a Reds fan…I am a life long fan of the team that sent the Reds home! The only time I watched them play was against the Giants. But it sounds like you know a lot…maybe you should ask for the job…and you will find that you can put players in a position to succeed, but at the end of the day, they have to perform. And the Reds pen can hardly be called the best. Baker is a player’s coach…and goes with veterans than rooks or young guys. He could never manage a team like the A’s this year. But he is still a good manager. Where were you during the season when the Reds were cruising through the season? Didn’t hear people screaming for him to be fired. But whatever helps you ease the pain of my team crushing you little playoff spirits.

        Maybe you should look at the players who had ample chances to come back from 6-9th innings even after the Latos melt down. Or maybe you should scream at Latos for being such a tiny little baby when things go slightly against him like the ump not giving him the strikes he thought he pitched. But yeah, it’s all Dusty’s fault that the Reds didn’t hit when it counted most!

  9. stumblebum76 - Oct 13, 2012 at 4:17 AM

    I would offer him a short-term contract. How about till next Wednesday? Chris Spier would be a much better manager. But, God, don’t give us LaRussa. The ball park isn’t big enough for his ego. I’d rather lose with Spier than win with LaRussa.

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