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Phillies hire Wally Joyner as assistant hitting coach

Oct 15, 2012, 4:16 PM EDT

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As part of their coaching shakeup last month the Phillies fired hitting coach Greg Gross and replaced him with Steve Henderson, and today they announced that Henderson will also have an assistant hitting coach in Wally Joyner.

Joyner spent 16 seasons in the majors as a lefty-hitting first baseman, batting .289 with more walks than strikeouts and 204 homers among 2,060 total hits. He briefly served as the Padres’ hitting coach a few years ago.

MLB teams are limited in the number of coaches they can have on staff, or at least in uniform on a daily basis, but the Phillies are able to add Joyner as an assistant hitting coach because they’re apparently going without a bench coach.

Pitching coach Rich Dubee has long been manager Charlie Manuel’s right-hand man anyway and new third base coach Ryne Sandberg will presumably fill some of the usual bench coach role as well.

And now a lineup that ranked eighth and seventh among NL teams in scoring during the past two seasons will have a pair of coaches devoted to putting more runs on the board.

  1. ame123 - Oct 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM

    Good hire. I was a little afraid they’d go after Matt Stairs. Not sure I want everyone to swing for the fences on every at-bat.

    • Francisco (FC) - Oct 15, 2012 at 5:36 PM

      By that logic shouldn’t Mark McGwire have had a similar effect on Cardinal’s hitting?

  2. mazblast - Oct 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM

    “Wally World” never was able to sustain his initial splash as a hitter with the Angels, but he was a very competent professional. He was a tough out, if not one who inspired fear in the opposition.

    • pinkfloydprism - Oct 15, 2012 at 5:58 PM

      Didn’t he do roids?

      • braddavery - Oct 15, 2012 at 6:16 PM

        “In an interview with ESPN’s Buster Olney, Joyner admitted to using steroids in 1997. He described how he had asked his friend, Ken Caminiti how he could get steroids. Caminiti gave him the phone number of a steroid dealer, and he later received steroid pills in the mail via Caminiti. Joyner admitted to taking just three pills before deciding to stop. Joyner’s admission was published in an ESPN special report entitled Who Knew?”

      • pinkfloydprism - Oct 16, 2012 at 11:57 AM

        Thanks! I knew I had heard something about it before. I did not know if was as described.

  3. mdpickles - Oct 15, 2012 at 4:30 PM

    Wally Joyner, while talented, was not overflowing with talent. He is a guy who got by on smarts and intuition. This is a great hire. However, It will be tough to get through the thick skulls of guys like JRoll and Howard. If Victorino was still here, good luck with that brain too. But, if you are looking to develop young hitters like Dom Brown, Darin Ruf, Galvis and others in the future, this your guy. Now they need to make Dubee assistant Pitching Coach and convince Leo Mazzone to unretire 😉

    • DelawarePhilliesFan - Oct 15, 2012 at 4:40 PM

      Well, I think the latter is more true – that they want to develop young hitters. However, I have to say “thick skulls like Rollin and Howard”? I have heard TONS of criticism of Howard, that is the first time I have ever heard anyone call him uncoachable. And really, since when has Rollins had that wrap? People criticize other attributes, but since when does he not take advice?

      • mdpickles - Oct 15, 2012 at 4:59 PM

        There are times when to swing for the fences and there are times to utilize situational hitting. Considering they are on their 3rd hitting coach in 4 years indicates that you cannot fire the player.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Oct 15, 2012 at 8:38 PM

        But that is getting into exceution – in what way to Rollins and Howard not take advice? Honestly, neither one of them have that wrap.

        Howard can’t lay off the sliders, but that is getting overly anxious, he doesn’t go up there and say “They can’t tell me what to do!”

  4. ncphilliesguy - Oct 15, 2012 at 5:25 PM

    I have inside information (won’t divulge source). Howard is uncoachable.

    • greymares - Oct 15, 2012 at 7:29 PM

      divulge the source or S.T.F.U.

      • chadjones27 - Oct 16, 2012 at 8:55 AM

        You can’t make a true professional baseball blog commentor to divulge his sources. It’s unethical.

    • DelawarePhilliesFan - Oct 16, 2012 at 10:59 AM

      Did that source offer to sell you a time share as well?

  5. scotttheskeptic - Oct 15, 2012 at 6:02 PM

    Have you not heard any of the interviews where Rollins asserts his right to hit lead-off, and in the same breath says he is not going to change his approach?

    • DelawarePhilliesFan - Oct 16, 2012 at 10:58 AM

      Well, again, most of what I said was on Howard not Rollins. And the point was that these guys are uncoachable – so what if Rollins thinks he should be the lead off hitter? Roy Halladay doens’t want to come out of games, is he uncoachable? As for comments that he doesn’t wnat to change his approach – again, so what? Do you have quotes from his coaches that he should change his approach? More specifically, other then general hub-ub comments that get made about everyone, what hitting coach has ever said Rollins won’t listen to them? They said it about Burrell, they said it about Rolen, they said it about Charlie Hayes, never heard that about Rollins

  6. jam11163 - Oct 15, 2012 at 6:32 PM

    now go get a 3rd baseman. (david wright)

    • mattcerrone - Oct 15, 2012 at 7:35 PM

      Dream on.

  7. schmedley69 - Oct 15, 2012 at 7:41 PM

    Howard’s approach at the plate has been screwed up ever since he worked with Barry Bonds on his hitting that one off-season. Someone needs to unteach whatever Barry taught him.

  8. scotttheskeptic - Oct 15, 2012 at 11:32 PM

    1) by the end of a full season, Howard is so far off the plate he crowds the first base coach; 2) execution comes from approach. Nuff said

    • DelawarePhilliesFan - Oct 16, 2012 at 11:04 AM

      Clearly you should be the hitting coach.

      Do you recall the conversation Charlie had with Howard before Game 4 of the 2008 Wrold Series? Yea, didn’t think so

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