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If the Yankees weren’t doomed before, they are now

Oct 17, 2012, 11:56 PM EDT

CC Sabathia AP

No, the Yankees probably weren’t beating the Tigers four times in five days either. Still, Wednesday’s rainout made the assignment that much tougher.

- Because they’re playing four games in four days, the Yankees have lost the ability to pitch Game 4 starter CC Sabathia on three days’ rest in Game 7. At best, he’ll be available for a couple of innings out of the pen. Their Game 7 options would be Phil Hughes and his achy back, David Phelps, Derek Lowe or perhaps someone not on the roster. They’d have the option of disabling Hughes and activating Ivan Nova, though that would mean losing Hughes for the World Series.

- The Tigers, on the other hand, suffer from no such problems there. Their Game 4 starter, Max Scherzer, wasn’t a candidate to come back and pitch later in the series. Justin Verlander would start Game 7 on four days’ rest.

- One of the things that makes it more difficult to reel off a winning streak in the postseason is that teams often have to use up their quality relievers to get their wins. In Games 3 and 4 against the Orioles, the Yankees had Rafael Soriano throw 3 1/3 innings and David Robertson throw three innings. They may well need similar efforts from those two if they hope to win Games 4 and 5 against the Tigers. Now with no days off between Games 5 and 6, the Yankees will likely head back to New York with a tired pen if they do somehow manage to survive.

- Detroit’s pen, on the other hand, just earned a day off for unexpected ace in Phil Coke. Coke said he’d be ready to go tonight regardless, but after throwing 3 2/3 innings the previous four days, he probably needed the little break.

OK, so that’s pretty minor. The Game 7 issue looks like a backbreaker, though.If they could find out a way to eke out wins the next two days, the Yankees’ chances wouldn’t have looked so bad with Hiroki Kuroda and Sabathia back in the Bronx. Instead, it’d now be TBA versus Verlander.

  1. nflfollower - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:09 AM

    Well the rain delay was the only chance they had to extend their season for another day, so i think the yankees and their fans will take it.

  2. nmrdr795 - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:27 AM

    Heres the real reason the yankees are doomed. 2009 they played small ball, they bunted, stole bases, hit n run, played real baseball. As a big yankee fan i see this common season happening, live and die by the homerun. The homerun get us to the alcs and then its detroit anaheim or texas waiting for us to beat us up. Postseason pitching is a diffrent breed its all low ball grindin pitching. The yankees cant hit it cause in the normal season they are just pounding relievers and no names but detroit has good pitching. Three must to win the world series and my yanks have none. 1. Good relievers that arent tired. 2.hustlers who play small ball. 3. The smaller guys who want it, they usually make the differences. Its the josh freezes, craig counsels, arron boones that help win it. I knew they would get swept this is so similar to when the marlins beat us in the series there tired. One last thing wth is the rush on these games for? 163 games the post season comes and its game after game its ridicioulous cant even keep up. Imagine these players. That schedule sealed it for my yanks

    • Jeremy Fox - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:46 AM

      You’re kidding about how the 2009 Yankees played small ball, right? I hope so. If not, let me refresh your memory:

      The 2009 Yankees hit 244 HR, tops in the AL. They only stole 111 bases, 7th in the AL. They had 31 sacrifice bunts, 11th highest in the AL. And they grounded into 144 double plays, which seems like kind of a high number for a team that you think was hitting and running all the time.

      Yes, the 2009 Yankees won it all, and this year’s edition is highly unlikely to do so. But that’s not because the 2009 Yankees played small ball.

      • jeffrp - Oct 18, 2012 at 2:11 AM

        And then hit another 20 HR in the playoffs.

        Small ball, LOL.

      • nmrdr795 - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:26 AM

        Y all are like the writers stats stats stats. Watch the games girardi was doing all the small things in 2009. Stop reading the box scores and letting joe buck tell u how to think and watch the actual games. This is a typical yankee ssason. Watch the team who wins it will win it with small ball. Then all u suckas can see instead of comparing stats

      • Jeremy Fox - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:49 AM

        Ok, nmrdr795, now I can tell you’re joking. Should’ve turned on the “highlight sarcasm” option on my browser earlier.

      • bigleagues - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:10 PM

        Yeah, cuz like anyone around HBT takes anything that Joe Buck says with anything greater than a powder sugar granule.

    • Jeremy Fox - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:55 AM

      Oh, and by the way, the 2012 Yankees hit 245 HR, stole 93 bases, and had 31 sacrifice bunts. None of which looks very different from the 2009 Yankees.

      • nmrdr795 - Oct 18, 2012 at 10:20 PM

        http://web.yesnetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090629&content_id=5600750&vkey=1&print=true

        Here ya go smarty. Oh yea 2009 111 stolen bases. All u nerds and ur numbers make me laugh.

      • Jeremy Fox - Oct 18, 2012 at 10:31 PM

        So…an article that notes that the Yankees were leading the majors in home runs, and slugging lots of extra base hits, while also stealing what few bases they were stealing with a high success rate, and that refers to *regular season* stats (you said you were referring to the playoffs) proves me wrong?

        That’s actually kind of a disappointing reply you gave me. I was hoping for some sort of crazed argument about how Gardner’s mere presence on the bench somehow distracted opposing pitchers and caused them to serve up gopher balls or something. ‘Cause if you’re going to be as crazy/dumb as you are, you really ought to go all in. You know, own the crazy. Be the dumb.

        I know, I know, I shouldn’t keep feeding the trolls…sorry everybody.

      • nmrdr795 - Oct 18, 2012 at 10:45 PM

        only troll around here is you and your calculator. here ill copy and paste my other arguments becuase your so smart you didnt read the other one.

        I think u might be the moron. All ur dumb satts show they were playing small ball in 2009. 2009-111 stolen bases smarty 2012- 93 i also said postseason but since ur so smart you keep using the regular season. Watch the tape hit n runs steals and speed killed the opposing teams. What do you think helped the yanks hit the long ball. Thats right jeremy fox speed on the bases helped them to get more fast balls smarty therfore we hit more. You must be a writer cause ur looking at the game from numbers. Sorry to tell u son but billy beanes teams have never won the series. Small ball wins the series. I also googled this after the fact and there is atleast ten other articles that agreed the 2009 yanks won it with small ball. I never said they didnt use home runs to help they used the home run but it was the small ball that created a better offense. So go back to your calculator spew some other usless numbers or watch the series and think for urself. Small ball won it in 2009 they had offense from speed. Small ball like forcing fastball throwing off the pitcher bunting hit n runs dont always show up in ur smart little stat website. It was so obvious the yanks were gone lose this year yu may ask jeremy..well let me tell you you smart number cruncher…cause they relyed on one thing…….the homerun. Good night to all you oblivious nerds who never have played on a real diamond.

    • borninfellspoint - Oct 18, 2012 at 1:32 AM

      uh, you forgot the beating the Orioles handed the Yanks in the Division Series. The Yankees won it ,but it was close.If the Orioles hit a little bit better the Tigers would be thrashing them right now instead of the Yankees.

    • nmrdr795 - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:30 AM

      Re watch the series gardner was all over the place hit n runs were on. I didnt say the seasons i meant the post seasons when it matters. Two different teams. Proof is in the puddin

      • Jeremy Fox - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:32 PM

        Or, maybe you’re just a moron. Or you’re just baiting me to see if you can make me waste literally 2 whole minutes on baseball-reference.com (in which case the answer is “yes”). Or quite possibly both.

        Ok, let’s see if the 2009 Yankees actually played “small ball” during the postseason after slugging their way through the regular season:

        In the 2009 ALDS, the Yankees hit 6 HR and 3 doubles in 3 games. They stole 1 base.

        In the 2009 ALCS, the Yankees hit 8 HR, 9 doubles, and 2 triples in 6 games. They stole 2 bases and were caught 3 times.

        In the 2009 WS, the Yankees hit 12 doubles and 6 HR in 6 games. They stole 4 bases.

        In total, that’s 46 XBH, including 20 HR, in just 15 games, versus 7 SB and 3 CS. Sounds like mashing your way to the title to me.

        You also brought up Brett Gardner specifically. In the 2009 postseason, Brett Gardner had 14 PA, and was also inserted as a substitute in a few games without coming to the plate. He got 2 hits, both singles, and drew no walks. He had 1 SB. He had 2 CS. He had 1 sacrifice bunt. I’m pretty sure the Yankees would’ve won the 2009 WS without Brett Gardner going 2 for 13 at the plate, 1 for 3 on stolen base attempts, and laying down 1 sacrifice.

      • nmrdr795 - Oct 18, 2012 at 10:04 PM

        I think u might be the moron. All ur dumb satts show they were playing small ball in 2009. 2009-111 stolen bases smarty 2012- 93 i also said postseason but since ur so smart you keep using the regular season. Watch the tape hit n runs steals and speed killed the opposing teams. What do you think helped the yanks hit the long ball. Thats right jeremy fox speed on the bases helped them to get more fast balls smarty therfore we hit more. You must be a writer cause ur looking at the game from numbers. Sorry to tell u son but billy beanes teams have never won the series. Small ball wins the series. I also googled this after the fact and there is atleast ten other articles that agreed the 2009 yanks won it with small ball. I never said they didnt use home runs to help they used the home run but it was the small ball that created a better offense. So go back to your calculator spew some other usless numbers or watch the series and think for urself. Small ball won it in 2009 they had offense from speed. Small ball like forcing fastball throwing off the pitcher bunting hit n runs dont always show up in ur smart little stat website. It was so obvious the yanks were gone lose this year yu may ask jeremy..well let me tell you you smart number cruncher…cause they relyed on one thing…….the homerun. Good night to all you oblivious nerds who never have played on a real diamond.

  3. sictransitchris - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:32 AM

    When it rains, it pours.

    I feel like the Yankees have been battling to stay alive for three weeks now with hardly any days off. They’ve gotta be exhausted and frustrated, add in some blown calls and generous zones and here we are.

    Just don’t get swept Yanks, go out with some fight.

    • captn58crunch - Oct 18, 2012 at 8:50 AM

      Excuses, excuses, ecuses….

  4. libertynchurch - Oct 18, 2012 at 1:04 AM

    Down 3-0 against a team with the best pitcher and the best hitter. A catharsis for the Yankees. It’s simple, now. No expectations. See the ball. Hit the ball.

    And please put ARod and Granderson back in the lineup. They have both earned the right to fight to the end.

  5. jaybird22seven - Oct 18, 2012 at 1:13 AM

    I hope this is the end of the Yankees. And for the future we see the Red Sox and Yankees as the cellar dwellers of the East. The Rays, Jays and Orioles will be fun to watch in the next wave of power in the American East.

    • borninfellspoint - Oct 18, 2012 at 1:36 AM

      well said!

    • protius - Oct 18, 2012 at 2:46 AM

      Don’t get your hopes up, loser.

      The Rays, Orioles and Jays will always be fighting for the scraps from the Yankee’s table, and the miserable Red Sox will be the division washer women for another decade.

      • 18thstreet - Oct 18, 2012 at 7:26 AM

        And this is why the best thing for baseball is when the Yankees make the playoffs and lose there. It’s way more fun to watch their humiliation in October than July.

        Let’s go, Tigers!

    • hopsbarley - Oct 18, 2012 at 6:56 AM

      With their resources, the Yankees will probably always been in contention for the playoffs. I wouldn’t hang your hat on them becoming cellar dwellers.

      I agree that the Rays and Orioles are getting a lot better. But the Blue Jays are pretty much dead in the water if they can’t find any better starting pitchers. After Morrow the entire rotation and bullpen leaves a lot to be desired. They are a few years and a few arms away from making any impact in the AL East.

  6. sunsation3413 - Oct 18, 2012 at 1:20 AM

    Why spend your time writing an article mostly about hypothetical situations in a game 7 that just wont happen. Yankees are done.

    • protius - Oct 18, 2012 at 2:49 AM

      Why bore us with your claptrap, when you clearly don’t know squat about baseball.

  7. 27xwschamps - Oct 18, 2012 at 2:22 AM

    Just freaking great !!! Gopher ball throwin hughes in a game 7 !!!! IF it gets there, not a pleasant thought..😫😫

  8. jaybird22seven - Oct 18, 2012 at 3:30 AM

    Why are you calling me a loser? Because I said your precious team buying steroid Yankees are finished!!! Hahaha name calling. To funny.

    • Old Gator - Oct 18, 2012 at 7:18 AM

      Why bother with Protius? He’s a cranky arrested teenage locked in a basement full of leaky pipes that exacerbate his mental rheumatism, and he only comes on once in awhile to say something insulting to others. He sometimes reminds me of the irremediable kvetch in the prologue to Notes from Underground, except that Dostoyevsky develops his character as the story moves along whereas Protius is hopelessly mired in his own bile.

      • 18thstreet - Oct 18, 2012 at 8:51 AM

        I love this bar.

      • protius - Oct 18, 2012 at 9:41 AM

        Why bother with Old Gator? He’s a pompous, old sot who leaks all over himself, as he shuffles and stumbles about the campus looking for young woman to drool on and molest.

        He spends most of his time here, because he needs to impress people to feel good about himself. He needs to look down his broken blood vessel nose, red from another drunken binge, and harangue those posters that challenge his ego or wander into his imaginary territory.

        He reminds me of Ian Anderson’s alcoholic bum, slobbering over grammar school girls in their uniforms, picking up and smoking used cigarettes, and all the while thinking how wonderful he makes the lives of the other bums around him.

        You still haven’t answered me. Do you know William Luhr?

    • Old Gator - Oct 18, 2012 at 10:39 AM

      Protius also takes twice as much space to respond to a response because he has so much more hostility and bile to disburse that nearly anyone else on here. He also needs to distort the previous comments because he hasn’t got the imagination to come up with observations of his own. Learn brevity, moccasin-mouth, learn brevity.

      Retired archaeologist. OOOoooooHAHAHAAHeeeeeeHAHAHAHAHhoooo….

      • protius - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:51 AM

        Old Gator needs so much attention, because his life is so empty. His life is so empty, because he has driven everyone away. Why has everyone left you, Mr. Personality?

        Learn sobriety, you dreary old hack. Learn sobriety.

        P.S. Why won’t you respond? Do you know William Luhr?

  9. jaybird22seven - Oct 18, 2012 at 3:33 AM

    Next time you open your mouth protios try to say something intelligent !!! It might be hard for you.

    • protius - Oct 18, 2012 at 9:58 AM

      You wrote: “Next time you open your mouth protios try to say something intelligent !!! It might be hard for you.” And the following hogwash is going to make the next edition of Encyclopedia Britannica? “I hope this is the end of the Yankees. And for the future we see the Red Sox and Yankees as the cellar dwellers of the East. The Rays, Jays and Orioles will be fun to watch in the next wave of power in the American East.”

      No Yankee fan is obligated to listen to the division door mats badmouth their team without protest. If you can’t understand that concept, then the problem lies with you, and not me.

      If you are a fan of a team fighting to stay out of the basement, and you badmouth the team at the top, you are a whiny little sore loser. If you don’t like to be called a loser, then don’t act like one.

      If you don’t like to be thought of as a sissy, then don’t allow Grandfather Gator to step in and fight your battles for you, sissy.

      How smart can you be? My name is right in front of you, and you still can’t spell it correctly, and you’re going to comment about my intelligence? …………..duh

      • Old Gator - Oct 18, 2012 at 10:42 AM

        It’s difficult to comment on an intelligence you can’t find in the first place, you know?

        Apropos what I wrote above, note that it took ole acid breath here five mock-corrosive, juvenile paragraphs to respond to one sentence. Man, that is one enlarged spleen you got there, bubbeleh.

      • protius - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:01 PM

        Old Grand Dad,

        You have gone from the ridiculous to the sublime. You can no longer counter my arguments with an intelligent answer, so now you have to rely on the absurd to compose any sort of response at all.

        The length of my post is not as important as the content. My comments to jaybird explain my position clearly, and your interference has made a sissy out of him.

        Only a sissy allows an intellectually challenged old sot to fight his battles for him.

      • Old Gator - Oct 18, 2012 at 1:52 PM

        Content? Au contraire, I find your posts incontinent. Babble on, you poor spiteful wretched “retired archaeologist” you (giggle).

      • protius - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:44 PM

        You have reduced the exchange to shit jokes. Pathetic.

        I win.

  10. po8crg - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:07 AM

    Game 3 of the ALCS was rained out in 2004, so the Red Sox had to do their comeback on four consecutive days.

    • Panda Claus - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:41 AM

      One notable difference: 2004 Red Sox >> 2012 Yankees.

  11. bospat - Oct 18, 2012 at 7:04 AM

    And Derek Lowe started that game, oh well doesn’t matter only one team can choke away a 3-0 lead in an ALCS and it’s the Yanks….Go Tigers sweep the Bronx bums!

  12. bigyankeemike - Oct 18, 2012 at 7:16 AM

    I’m a season ticket holder and I can’t wait for this season to end. I have felt, even with a 10 game lead in July, that the Yankees are not built for the playoffs. They have too many players who just can’t get it done. In October, the Yankees hit like the Mets. In fact, the Mets would probably score more runs.

    Every year the media and the Yankees are obsessed with pitching. Pitching hasn’t been the problem.

    ARod is the Christmas fruitcake gift we got from Hank Steinbrenner that we can’t send back to Harry and David.

    Swisher has the Smilin’ Surfer Dude look that wears thin when you hit like Horace Clarke in the post season.

    Curtis Granderson went from being my favorite non-Yankee to a faster Adam Dunn after changing what used to be a fine swing.

    At least hockey season is right around the…damn.

  13. capone888 - Oct 18, 2012 at 8:54 AM

    While I do not feel the Yanks will be able to make it to a Game 7 with the offense they are rolling out these days, I will guarantee you that CC would go on three days rest (as a starter). He’s done it in the past, and he would do it again.

    • number42is1 - Oct 18, 2012 at 9:12 AM

      Except that he would have to go on TWO days rest not three

  14. unlost1 - Oct 18, 2012 at 9:49 AM

    irrelevant since there will be no game 7

  15. Amadeus - Oct 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM

    Born and raised in NYC, I always rooted for the Bombers. My dad took me to Yankee Stadium on Babe Ruth Day in 1948 and caught a foul ball off the bat of Tommy Heinrich, which I still have. I was 6 then, now I’m 70 and have hated the Yankees ever since I moved away from the city and Steinbrenner bought the team and starting buying players. In the old DiMag/Mantle days, players came up through the farm system and there was loyalty amongst men and teams. Mickey played for 100G’s a year and was the best player I ever saw next to Joe D. Nowadays fat slobs like Fielder and Pujols each have $200+ million contracts and couldn’t hold either Mick or Joe’s jockstrap. Worse yet is A-Rod, who has rarely been clutch in key moments and looks like he doesn’t give a s–t about his team. Same with Cano, Tex and the rest of the overpaid bums.

    I’m not a Detroit fan and don’t really care who goes to the WS as long as it isn’t the Yanks.

    • retief1954 - Oct 18, 2012 at 10:30 AM

      Great account of your childhood trip to the stadium and catching the foul ball. Wow! If that had happened to me, I’d probably have been a Yankee fan too. Hard to imagine though since I’ve detested them since childhood – I didn’t grow up in NY.

    • manilovethepftcensors - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:17 AM

      Fielder’s a fat slob who couldn’t hold Mick or Joe’s jockstrap, huh?
      You do realize that he’s the one who pushed the Tigers over the hump and basically the reason the Tigers are going to win the world series this year don’t you?
      If you’re biased against him because he’s overweight that’s fine (albeit kind of ignorant) but your assessment of his skills is 100% incorrect.
      312 batting average
      182 hits
      108 RBI
      30 home runs to name a few statistics from his excellent 2012 season

      • Amadeus - Oct 18, 2012 at 1:40 PM

        C’mon, get real. What’s Fielder ever won? When he was with the Brewers he dogged it much of the time, had no respect during the national anthem. Probably all those dredlocks have infected what little brain he has.

  16. retief1954 - Oct 18, 2012 at 10:27 AM

    The Yankees are by far the richest, most fortunate team in MLB, always in play for every top FA, which enables them to acquire the stalwarts that make the difference for them every year. (Where would they be without CC Sabathia, Mark Teixeira, A-Rod despite his poor performance this year, Kuroda, and many, many, many others over the years… you get the idea.) They make the playoffs virtually EVERY YEAR. Think about that! EVERY YEAR!

    So when circumstances turn in the playoffs and they have a rough time of it, it’s pretty hard to listen to any whining and excuse-making coming from their side, you know what I’m saying? It’s awesome to see fortune go AGAINST them once in a great while, and to see them get beat by BETTER TEAMS. So what happens when their built-in advantages stop working for them at a critical time is – everyone but hard-core Yankee fans is DELIGHTED to see their misfortune (save the Jeter injury – no delight in that). It’s why the Yankees are so roundly despised all over baseball. They’re the Goliaths, and like I said, everyone but Yankee fans LOVES to see a David come along and take them down.

    • mazblast - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:04 PM

      Every year, huh? So 2008 didn’t exist? Is that like 2004, thrown down the memory hole?

  17. md22mdrx - Oct 18, 2012 at 10:38 AM

    Doomed? Doomed was going down 3-0.

    The postponement was a 100% pandering to the big market Yankees. What rain? I live about 20 minutes from Detroit and we didn’t get barely a sprinkle. If CC pitches, then the delay hits at inning 4, they’re not putting him back in. It then goes to the bullpens … of which, New York’s is EXTREMELY stretched while Detroit has 2 starters ready to go long in Porcello and Smyly. Advantage Tigers to end this in 4. Can’t have that … people would be losing $$$ that way with the biggest market team out … so they postpone the game … regardless of actual rain.

    • 1baseballfan - Oct 18, 2012 at 10:49 AM

      Except that now CC pitches only 1 game instead of 2. I don’t see this as an advantage for the Yankees.

      • md22mdrx - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:05 AM

        CC was never pitching a second game to begin with.

      • 1baseballfan - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:28 AM

        Of course he would have pitched twice; game 7 on 3 days rest.

      • 1baseballfan - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:45 AM

        Assuming they get to game 7 of course.

      • mazblast - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:11 PM

        That’s the price they pay for not finishing the Orioles quicker.

  18. mazblast - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    I seem to recall a series not so many years ago in which the Red Sox were doomed, then won Game 4. No problem, said Yankee fans, we’ll get ‘em in Game 5. Boston won Game 5. No problem, said Yankee fans, we’ll beat ‘em in our home park in Game 6. Boston won Game 6. No problem, said Yankee fans, we don’t lose Game 7′s, we’re the Yankees. The rest is history.

    I’m behind the Tigers all the way here, but there are no guarantees. Finish it tonight, drive the stake through the heart of the Yankees. Then let the public/media backlash begin (media in particular, since they’ll virtually ignore the World Series if there’s no team from east of the Alleghenies in it).

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