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Red Sox, Blue Jays talking compensation for John Farrell

Oct 18, 2012, 10:47 AM EDT

John Farrell; Marvin Hudson AP

Last week John Farrell’s non-denial denial when asked about reports that the Red Sox are interested in him as their next manager kept the speculation swirling and according to Alex Speier of Boston and Toronto “have begun preliminary discussions about potential compensation.”

In the meantime the Red Sox are continuing to interview other candidates, including Yankees bench coach Tony Pena, Dodgers third base coach Tim Wallach, Padres special assistant Brad Ausmus, and Orioles third base coach DeMarlo Hale.

However, it seems clear now that Farrell is their first choice and it’s hard to imagine the Blue Jays putting up a huge fight if they can get some value back in the form of prospects.

Farrell was the Red Sox’s pitching coach for five seasons under Terry Francona, leaving to become the Blue Jays’ manager in 2011. He has a 154-170 record in Toronto and last week said stuff like “I am the manager of the Toronto Blue Jays” and “that’s where I’ve been the last two years and that’s where I currently am.”

  1. silversun60 - Oct 18, 2012 at 10:55 AM

    That’s a pretty sweet pic of him imitating Hulk Hogan.

    • bloodysock - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:19 AM

      Except for the sex tape part.

  2. willclarkgameface - Oct 18, 2012 at 10:57 AM

    The Red Sox system is barren. Unless some MLB talent is sent north of the border, I don’t see this happening.

    John Farrell isn’t the only guy out there that can manage a big league ball club and I’m still not even all that sure Farrell is good. Why not give this to some up and coming talent that can possibly get the job done on the cheap, someone like Tim Wallach or Ausmus?

    Again, with Lucchino, it’s all about names and this name is familiar to Red Sox sheep. I think it’s a bad choice because you can’t get much worse with another name than you were in 2012. Time to rebuild and think about something new.

    • bobwsc - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:12 AM

      they have the level of talent necessary for compensation. if they got Carpenter for Theo, a player of similar caliber should seal the deal for Farrell (why not Carpenter?)

    • ras1tafari - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:11 PM

      The thing that kills me is that I feel the Red Sox are targeting Farrell b/c that’s who they think WE want, just like they did with Valentine.

      How about this approach: DO YOUR FREAKING JOBS and pick out a manager who fits the system, and stop worrying about the TV show. If they let Cherington work, I bet we’d end up with Ausmus or Wallach, not Farrell.

    • theawesomersfranchise - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:15 PM

      Bogaerts, Barnes, Bradley, Brentz, Owens, Webster = Barren?

      Or maybe you just do not pay much attention to the MiLB but figure you will comment in it anyways?

      I’m going with the later

      • willclarkgameface - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:36 PM

        Give me a break. I love posts like this. You just named six players in their system. SIX. Who is going to take over for them if they send them to Toronto for a manager that could be out of town after 2013?

        You need to do better than this. I want close to major league talent. I want guys in High A/AA to take over for the guys you are sending out of here. Don’t you think that they raided the system this year after their trade and there isn’t really much left?

        Bryce Brentz is about the only prospect I give a chance to have success in MLB.

        We can talk after Iglesias is (finally) let go from the system and they do their 2013 draft.

      • bigleagues - Oct 18, 2012 at 1:34 PM


        Bogaerts is Jurickson Profar/Manny Machado level talent.

        Bard is your compensation. And you should be elated to score that if this happens.

      • theawesomersfranchise - Oct 18, 2012 at 2:25 PM

        You love posts that make you look ignorant so you can reply and look even more ignorant?

    • bigleagues - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:29 PM

      “The Red Sox system is barren.”

      Literally and figuratively, that is a false statement.

      And compensation for Farrell will not be anything worse than the what the Marlins gave up for Guillen, which to this point, may or may not amount to a future bullpen piece.

      • willclarkgameface - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:43 PM

        When these are the comments about a system, I tend to feel that the system isn’t as good as all of you think:

        “Large group of B- types who can improve. Hitting stronger than pitching at this point.”

      • bigleagues - Oct 18, 2012 at 1:30 PM

        When the assessment you use to support your argument is from January 2012, I tend to believe that you couldn’t find much else to back up your statement.

        A lot has happened since the pre-season. Like some of those B- types improving and the emergence of Matt Barnes and Xander Boegarts as legit blue chip level prospects.

      • theawesomersfranchise - Oct 18, 2012 at 2:27 PM

        Yup Willclarkgameface has NO clue what he is talking about when it comes to minor leagues and should just stop

  3. proudlycanadian - Oct 18, 2012 at 10:58 AM

    The Boston media just can’t let this story alone. If the Red Sox want Farrell, it will cost a front line player such as Pedroia or Buchholz.

    • zachcomtois - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:37 AM

      I’ll have wha

      • zachcomtois - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:38 AM

        t he’s having

      • 18thstreet - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:46 PM

        You gotta have wha.

      • bobwsc - Oct 18, 2012 at 2:16 PM

        keep it on moderation. that dude is dain bramaged.

    • proudlycanadian - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:41 AM

      The arrogance of the Red Sox and the Red Sox media is outstanding. If you constantly say how much you want something, then the price goes up not down.

      • Alex K - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:55 AM

        Not true when it comes to this stuff. The Cubs were after Theo as much, if not more, than the Sox are after Farrell, and it cost them next to nothing. You’re dreaming if you think that anything of real value is going to come back for a manager.

        Ask bigleagues about declaring that a team is going to get a frontline player in a deal like this. He was convinced that Garza was going to be the player for Theo.

      • 18thstreet - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM

        Funny thing: the Boston media does not work for the Boston Red Sox.

      • proudlycanadian - Oct 18, 2012 at 3:39 PM

        The Red Sox leak to the media like a sieve.

      • 18thstreet - Oct 18, 2012 at 3:47 PM

        That will happen when you have a zillion beat reporters following the team. Not so much a problem in Milwaukee.

      • proudlycanadian - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:00 PM

        Toronto has 4 daily newspapers, 3 all sports cable networks and 2 all sport radio stations, yet the Jays leak to none of them. All the stories about Farrell originate from leaks by Red Sox management to the Boston media.

      • 18thstreet - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:14 PM

        Good grief — four newspapers?

        You realize there are six states in New England, right? Many of them with more than one newspaper.

      • proudlycanadian - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:33 PM

        And one baseball team that leaks like a sieve.

      • 18thstreet - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:15 PM

        Courtesy of Boston Sports Media Watch:

        Boston Globe
        Boston Herald
        Boston Metro
        CBSBoston Sports (98.5 FM)
        ESPN Boston
        GoLocalProv Sports
        Hartford Courant
        Lawrence Eagle-Tribune
        Lowell Sun
        MassLive Sports
        MetroWest Daily News
        New Bedford Standard Times
        NH Union Leader
        Patriot Ledger
        Portland Press Herald
        Providence Journal
        The Sun Chronicle
        Worcester Telegram & Gazette

    • theawesomersfranchise - Oct 18, 2012 at 2:27 PM

      What a moronic comment

      • proudlycanadian - Oct 18, 2012 at 3:38 PM


      • theawesomersfranchise - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:32 PM

        You be sure to leave fantasy land and be here when the Jays get nothing near Dustin P and Clay B for Farrell

      • proudlycanadian - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:32 PM

        What makes you think that the Jays will let the Red Sox have Farrell? The Jays will likely employ the “just say no” option.

  4. steve7921 - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:13 AM

    As a Rays fan…I hope this happens. He had more talent in Toronto than he will in Boston and his record speaks for itself.

    • proudlycanadian - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:37 AM

      The Jays had a winning record until they lost 3 starting pitchers in a 5 day period. They also lost their closer prior to the start of the season as well as a top relief pitcher mid season.Subsequently, Bautista, Lawrie, and Arencibia missed significant time with injuries. Rasmus and Lind also missed time due to injuries. They also lost their closer (Santos) prior to the season and a left handed relief pitcher (Perez). Obviously steve7921 thinks that the injuries were the fault of Farrell.

      • proudlycanadian - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:39 AM

        Darned edit function. Sorry about the repetition.

      • steve7921 - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:07 PM

        Hmmm… were injuries the issue in 2011?

        I am not saying that Farrell is a horrible manager, he just doesnt seem like the guy that can turn it around in Boston…he sure hasnt turned it around in Toronto – excuses or no excuses!

  5. rca26 - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:40 AM

    “that’s where I’ve been the last two years and that’s where I currently am.”

    And the award for most obvious non-denial goes to:

  6. cur68 - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:45 AM

    Take him already, Boston. Hand over LOOGY or an all bat, no fielding guy and go already. Whadda they want with Farrell, anyways? He was as hapless as Valentine when it came to re-setting due to injuries. I think Dave Martinez might be available? Dave Martinez on a Beaver Team again sounds good to me.

  7. thebadguyswon - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:56 AM

    What a ridiculous move for Boston. Farrell has done nothing with more talent than Boston has right now. Enjoy another Fifth place finish Beantown.

    • 18thstreet - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM

      This is my favorite comment ever. We have absolutely no idea what Boston is offering for Farrell, and TheBadGuysWon has determined, once and for all, that it’s a terrible deal.

      Some of the best recent managers — Bobby Cox, Joe Torre and Terry Francona come to mind — were utter failures in prior positions before finding the right job. Unlike TheBadGuys, I have no idea whether Farrell will be good in Boston, and I’m dying to know how anyone can determine he’ll be a failure.

      • thebadguyswon - Oct 18, 2012 at 1:04 PM

        Because giving up compensation for a field manager is absurd.

  8. redsoxfan4life - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:12 PM

    leave Farrell in Canada, I heard he’s picked up some nasty Canadien habits like only bathing once a week!! That could be a problem in the Clubhouse.

    • theawesomersfranchise - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:19 PM

      Filthy, most like a racist scumbag, moron who uses an “e” when spelling Canadian says what?

      Oh right nobody gives a frack what some idiot from the 3rd worst city in North America thinks.

  9. bigleagues - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:35 PM

    Just for the record, it was Gordon Edes that got the ball rolling on this story and not Alex Speier, who basically took what Edes Tweeted and got a confirmation.

    I’m with Edes in pulling for Tony Pena, but Farrell is still revered by Sox clubhouse and that’s probably whats gonna put him over the top. If they can’t work out reasonable compensation then they move on to the next candidate. In any event, at least Cherington can show the players he tried to get “their guy”.

  10. jaysjunkie - Oct 18, 2012 at 1:21 PM

    I don’t get the hardon that the Sox seem to have for Farrell, if you believe all these reports coming from the ridiculous Boston media. Injuries aside this year, it’s been hard to get a read on how good a manager he is. There’s certainly been enough evidence from what I’ve seen on the field and a small number of the players themselves (Omar Vizquel) that he doesn’t have as tight a rein on this team as you’d like to see. If the BoSox want him, I say let them take him…but get something back a lot better than some low level minor leaguer, just because they’re in your division and for the hassle of conducting a new manager search.

  11. tjbra9 - Oct 18, 2012 at 3:46 PM

    What many of you are forgetting is Boston only hired Valentine for 2 years. The 2 years remaining on Farrell’s deal with Toronto. So, basically the comp. is for him leaving a year early. It won’t be anything big since Boston can balk and walk away. Toronto will have to anticipate on loosing Farrell next year anyways with no return.

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