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Red Sox hire manager John Farrell away from the Blue Jays, send Mike Aviles to Toronto

Oct 20, 2012, 11:28 PM EDT

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From Sean McAdam of CSN New England comes word that the Red Sox have hired current Blue Jays skipper John Farrell to be their next manager.

Farrell has already worked out a contract with Boston that will run through 2015. Compensation for Toronto will be announced in the next couple days.

The Red Sox interviewed Padres special assistant Brad Ausmus, Dodgers third base coach Tim Wallach, Yankees bench coach Tony Pena and Orioles third base coach DeMarlo Hale. But it was pretty clear from the start that their sights were set on Farrell, who served as Boston’s pitching coach from 2007-2010.

Farrell had a 154-170 managerial record in his two years with the Jays.

The Red Sox likely had to give up a decent prospect (or two) to get the deal completed. One wonders how smart it is for an organization in a sort of rebuilding mode to dip into its farm system in this fashion.

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UPDATE, 11:51 PM: According to FOX Sports’ Jon Paul Morosi, the compensation involves two players switching clubs. No names yet, but Morosi hears the Blue Jays are getting a major leaguer.

UPDATE, 12:06 AM: Morosi says the Jays will be getting an infielder, but not Will Middlebrooks.

UPDATE, 12:12 AM: WEEI.com reports that the Blue Jays are receiving middle infielder Mike Aviles, who batted .250/.282/.381 with 13 home runs, 14 stolen bases and 60 RBI in 136 games this past season for the Red Sox. Toronto will send a player to be named or cash to Boston along with Farrell.

UPDATE, 12:21 AM: Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun says Adam Lind may be heading to the Sox.

UPDATE, SUNDAY 8:39 AM: Lind is not involved in the deal, writes Gordon Edes of ESPN Boston.

UPDATE, SUNDAY 2:08 PM: The Red Sox are getting David Carpenter. The swap is complete.

  1. bjbeliever - Oct 20, 2012 at 11:37 PM

    Nooooo

  2. bluenoser23 - Oct 20, 2012 at 11:38 PM

    Good riddance and a plague on the BoSox.

  3. thebadguyswon - Oct 20, 2012 at 11:38 PM

    LOLOLOL

    IDIOTS. Who ya gonna blame next year Sawx Nation? Baby Ben? Lucchino?? Henry??

    • js20011041 - Oct 20, 2012 at 11:46 PM

      I find it amusing that someone using “LOLOLOL” in a post has the balls to call other people idiots.

      • protius - Oct 21, 2012 at 12:04 AM

        In caps, no less.

      • 18thstreet - Oct 21, 2012 at 8:57 AM

        I really wish there was a way to set up the comments section so that I could just never read certain people’s comments. I mean, RandyinNYC and StLouis1 (or whatever their names are) and I disagree on things all the time, and we mutually thing the other one’s an idiot all the time. But I’d never block them. There’s about three people here who post ALL THE TIME and yet never have anything worthwhile to say. I don’t want Craig to block them (they’re not as bad as Bozos or HalladaysBicept). I just wish there was an IGNORE button next to some people’s names.

      • raysfan1 - Oct 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM

        There is a way…it’s called look at the handle first. If its someone who typically annoys you, just keep scrolling. It’s a very key skill especially on the football blogs here to get past all the knuckle-dragging trolls who post comments there.

      • jimeejohnson - Oct 21, 2012 at 12:17 PM

        Bozo’s full of hate. This is a good reason to ignore him.

    • bigleagues - Oct 21, 2012 at 7:02 PM

      Funny thing, when the Red Sox were last referred to as ‘idiots’ they won a World Series.

      #justsayin

  4. thesmedman - Oct 20, 2012 at 11:50 PM

    Hope Toronto hires Ausmus, Alomar, Wallach (who played in Canada) or Ryne Sandberg. But would not argue with a solid, proven manager at the major league level, such as Gene Lamont, Larry Bowa, or Tony Pena.

    • js20011041 - Oct 20, 2012 at 11:56 PM

      I hear Jim Tracy’s available.

    • josemartez - Oct 21, 2012 at 12:17 AM

      I doubt it’ll be Wallach. I remember before they hired Farrell his name came up, but apparently the Blue Jays were on his list of teams he wouldn’t manage.

  5. dondada10 - Oct 20, 2012 at 11:50 PM

    I hope DeMarlo Hale does eventually get a managerial job, because right now it seems like he’s the token black guy that teams are interviewing.

  6. bluenoser23 - Oct 20, 2012 at 11:56 PM

    Farrell has proven himself to be quite the disloyal weasel in all of this soap opera.

    • js20011041 - Oct 21, 2012 at 12:04 AM

      There is no such thing as loyalty in professional sports. Of course, as far as fans go, loyalty only goes one way. If a player or coach wants to leave a team, they’re “disloyal weasels.” If a team wants to dump a player for whatever reason, “that’s just business.” This is the mindset of a child. It’s all “just business.” The players and coaches are going to look out for their best interests, and so will the teams. This is no different than any joe schmuck out there leaving his place of employment for another. Stop treating it like it’s different.

    • protius - Oct 21, 2012 at 12:07 AM

      Farrell seems to be the only guy in Canada with sense enough to get out. Even if it’s only a move to Boston, it’s a step in the right direction.

      • kiwicricket - Oct 21, 2012 at 1:31 AM

        There is a problem with Canada?

      • jaysjunkie - Oct 21, 2012 at 2:01 AM

        Great, another idiot on here who has a problem with my country.

      • aceshigh11 - Oct 21, 2012 at 2:12 AM

        Oh, c’mon…Canada is awesome.

        If you’ve never spent quality time there, you have no idea what you’re missing.

        The women alone are incredible.

      • indaburg - Oct 21, 2012 at 8:31 AM

        The average Canadian is richer than the average American and is also reportedly happier than us. It’s probably all that free health care providing everyone anti-depressants, but still. They do this all while somehow managing to avoid everyone in the world hating them. Why, other than an odd obsession with the War of 1812 and preposterously cold winters (and global warming should rectify the latter), Canada seems to be a fine country.

        Farrell seems to have lost the Jays’ clubhouse. While it’s true that all the injuries were not his fault, the lack of leadership is an issue. I can’t wish Farrell better luck elsewhere. I hope he’s even worse in Boston.

      • protius - Oct 21, 2012 at 11:47 AM

        Facetious. Look into it.

        Canada is a wonderful country, but apparently some of you folks lack a sense of humor. Especially indaburg, who seems down-right spiteful.

        O Canada! Our home and native land!

      • cur68 - Oct 21, 2012 at 12:25 PM

        Hey Protius: go fuck yourself.

      • indaburg - Oct 21, 2012 at 12:45 PM

        Oh, my. Spiteful? Really? A smart ass pain in the neck I may be, but spiteful? Nah. I suppose my sense of humor and your sense of humor will have to just agree to disagree.

      • protius - Oct 21, 2012 at 3:26 PM

        Hey cur, I’m too busy fucking your almost ex-wife.

        She’s happy to finally have a real man with a real dick, as opposed to a sissy with a cocktail frank.

      • bigleagues - Oct 21, 2012 at 7:05 PM

        Wait! Canada is a country?

        When did they secede from the United States?

  7. cmcgly - Oct 21, 2012 at 12:05 AM

    good hire, knows the team, knows the pitching staff, am curious to see who the “major leaguer” is, hopefully mauro gomez

    • pisano - Oct 21, 2012 at 12:19 AM

      With a little luck maybe it’ll be the capybarra, pedroia. (notice lower case for the runt of the litter)

      • xavier46 - Oct 21, 2012 at 2:27 AM

        Pisano,

        Do you know where I can order a Yank’s ALCS shirt?

        -PEDROIA

      • theskinsman - Oct 21, 2012 at 5:21 AM

        Poor pisano, wishing his team could hit in October. I bet his Robbie Cano poster has tear stains all over it.
        Remember,little man, steroids cause bones to get brittle and fracture.

        Farrell, good luck. Hopefully he can get things going in the right direction.

      • protius - Oct 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM

        Pisano:

        The Sour Grapes Gift Shoppe just got a new shipment of The Red Sox Clean Out the Basement Tee shirts, in small medium, large and extra, extra large for the chicken and beer crowd. They also carry Boston Basement Brooms and Dusty Pedroia Dust Pans, along with Pedroia Capybarra stuffed animals for the kiddies.

        Remember, Christmas is right around the corner, and there is no better way to remind a Red Sox fan of where they stand in the AL East, then a nicely wrapped gift, in white with navy blue pinstripes, from The Sour Grapes Gift Shoppe.

        Happy Holidays.

  8. paint771 - Oct 21, 2012 at 12:48 AM

    Probably good for both teams. I do think the Sox benefit – they need a stability guy, and whatever his Toronto record (most of which was due to injuries) Farrell provides that. The organization and players respect him, he is a no-drama guy, the opposite of a prima donna – after Francona and Valentine, having a manager that nobody will have to worry about, who won’t create headlines, and who will fade into the background while providing a stable and solid clubhouse presence is exactly what they need, and what they’re getting. And I think it’s been clear all along that Boston is where Farrell wants to be.

    For Toronto, this ends the distraction, and they have two internal guys that could easily step up and manage (Wakamatsu and Butterfield). I would bet dollars to donuts Farrell’s replacement is one of them. If it’s Aviles, they also replace Vizquel as their backup middle infielder (or, more likely, he replaces a trade-bait Escobar or Johnson).

    All told, both teams benefit, I think.

    • proudlycanadian - Oct 21, 2012 at 7:46 AM

      Interesting. Guess that the Jays actually did not want to keep Farrell. Wakamatsu has experience as a manager and will probably be promoted. Aviles will probably replace impending free agent Johnson at second base. Hechavarria is ready to be a ML SS, so Escobar could be trade bait. Lind if he is part of the trade, would not help Boston’s Luxury Tax problem. Not sure if Lind and Farrell actually get along. David Cooper would replace Lind in the Jays lineup. He is a former PCL batting champ and hit .300 when he was called up in 2012.

      • proudlycanadian - Oct 21, 2012 at 9:06 AM

        So Lind is not part of the deal. I am not surprised as he and Farrell did not seem to get along and his contract would not help Boston’s luxury tax problem. When Lind was recently asked about his early season batting woes, he replied that he had been told that he was not walking enough. Consequently, he took too many hittable pitches early in the count. During his stint in the minors he became more aggressive at the plate and continued to hit well once he was recalled. When asked about who wanted him to walk more, he refused to say. Lind certainly regressed with Farrell as his manager.

      • cur68 - Oct 21, 2012 at 12:33 PM

        This probably wasn’t Duane Murphy’s idea: he was all about hitting. Standing there taking strikes was never his approach. Hacking the ball over the fence was what he was about. Lind always had any eye for a hittable pitch, strike or otherwise. He was pretty good at going below the knee to golf-shot one. It was odd seeing him let those go by. Hope he gets that back next season.

      • bigleagues - Oct 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM

        Proudly Canadian:

        1) Adam Lind’s problems started mid-way through last season because of a lack of off-season conditioning.

        2) He was reportedly woefully out of shape this year with a noted lack of bat speed.

        3) It was a combination of an intense workout regimen and one-on-one instruction with Chad Mottola that got Lind back to Toronto in late June.

        4) The Red Sox have zero luxury tax problems. That was more than taken care of with “The Trade”. But, I’m not sure a player like Lind even fits their strategy going forward.

      • proudlycanadian - Oct 22, 2012 at 8:43 AM

        A reasoned response. Regarding my luxury tax comment, in my anger over the leak campaign being run by the Red Sox organization, I forgot about the salary dumping trade. I have no respect for the SOB’s who run the Red Sox. Lind hit very well after he returned to the Jays. He would have helped the Red Sox. Mottola will likely be a member of the Jays coaching staff next season. He is good and gets along well with current hitting coach Dwayne Murphy.

      • bigleagues - Oct 22, 2012 at 9:03 AM

        PC:

        Word.

        The only thing I’d say is, obviously rival fans have every right to dislike Sox ownership for whatever reasons they choose. But, it’s kind of hard to pin ‘leak campaign’ on them when AA absolved them of such during the very same press conference that he suggested that such a thing had occurred.

        In reading Bob Elliott’s tweet, I interpreted it as mere speculation and not as something that was being sourced and checked. That’s the downside of Twitter, it can blur the lines from a readers perspective when a beat writer or journalist puts a thought out there.

        I typically don’t put too much weight on a Tweet unless the reporter qualifies it with “Source:” or something similar.

      • proudlycanadian - Oct 22, 2012 at 9:17 AM

        AA was being nice to the Red Sox. There is no question that he was pissed off at all the leaks that began in Boston. Someone had to be behind the stories and any reasonable person would conclude that the Red Sox were behind it.

  9. jessethegreat - Oct 21, 2012 at 12:50 AM

    Seems like a logical move for the red sox. They will have a manager with experience in motivating and leading a talented pitching staff that became a bit lackadaisical of late. He attained excellent results with the staff when he was there before.

  10. prosourcetalk - Oct 21, 2012 at 1:02 AM

    Farrell & Lind for Aviles actually isn’t too bad

  11. brent05cards - Oct 21, 2012 at 1:02 AM

    completely agree! the “LOL” guy is the idiot!

  12. mydadyourmom - Oct 21, 2012 at 1:03 AM

    Won’t miss him. For a former pitching coach, he sure didn’t help the staff. His wrist watch also bothers me.

    • adeedothatswho - Oct 21, 2012 at 1:17 AM

      “His wrist watch also bothers me” is the best comment I’ve seen on here in a while.

    • jaysjunkie - Oct 21, 2012 at 2:04 AM

      Lol @ the wrist watch comment as well.

  13. richwizl - Oct 21, 2012 at 1:19 AM

    Yep, looks like the Jays and my guys fight it out for last place next season; whoopee!

  14. larrybrown43 - Oct 21, 2012 at 2:35 AM

    Seems like Sox. Nation is a little sensitive tonight. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL.

  15. pastabelly - Oct 21, 2012 at 4:04 AM

    No Ausmus for Sox. That would have made too much sense.

  16. nopuntintended - Oct 21, 2012 at 6:46 AM

    I was front row at a game on the 15th when Aviles told a guy sitting 4 seats down from me to “shut the f*** up” and later “f*** you, you f***ing piece of s***”

    I’m sure both Aviles and that fan are both pleased with this outcome.

  17. inhokewetrust - Oct 21, 2012 at 8:04 AM

    Good for Farrell….get out of the CITY OF LOOSERS..

    • proudlycanadian - Oct 21, 2012 at 8:13 AM

      From the frying pan into the fire. A bad career move.

      • proudlycanadian - Oct 21, 2012 at 12:55 PM

        Look my fine furred friend. When the story about the trade being finalized, I was asleep in bed. Obviously, the Jays have decided that Farrell is just so so as a manager and will probably continue to be ordinary. Toronto’s biggest needs off season are pitching and second base. Aceves can play second. He is not as good as Pedroia, but will be better than Kelly Johnson was. The Sox once again have a hole at SS and good luck finding one. I mentioned Buchholz because he is a decent starting pitcher. I am aware that Boston has a big need for starting pitchers, so I realistically did not expect to get him. I was just trying to upset some of the arrogant Red Sox fans out there who think that they can get another team’s manager for a minor league suspect.

    • jashton11 - Oct 21, 2012 at 9:40 AM

      “CITY OF LOOSERS”

      Is that anything like “losers”?

      • protius - Oct 21, 2012 at 12:17 PM

        It’s the way Ricky Riccardo would have said it; as in: The Blue Jays are a bunch of loosers.

  18. skeleteeth - Oct 21, 2012 at 8:13 AM

    23 BB in 546 PA. Seems like a move in the right direction. As long as they’re not done and Iglesias stays in AAA next year or is part of a deal to get a major league ready SS.

  19. buffalo65 - Oct 21, 2012 at 10:10 AM

    Plenty more moves to come for TO. They are a lot closer than Boston to being good and losing Farrell doesn’t change that. Expect a Hech, Aviles middle infield next year.
    Escobar about to goto Oakland for newly acquired Young.

  20. ericellers - Oct 21, 2012 at 10:16 AM

    Can’t really call Toronto a city of losers or whatever you called them either? I played hockey in the garden and visited the museum of technology, been there several times the leafs have won the cup a more then few times and the jays dominated the ALE in the 80′s so can’t really get behind that …inane remark? Phillie on the other hand..no just kidding. Both are very cool small city’s.

  21. jaysfan64 - Oct 21, 2012 at 10:35 AM

    This whole thing has left a bad taste in my mouth – guess its OK for other clubs to tamper with Jays’ employees who are UNDER CONTRACT…they should have stalled until the Red Sox had to hire someone else, then fired Farrell and eaten the last year of his contract…sometimes a message has to be sent and Beeston/AA did not send one here…I get the drill that they wanted something for someone they didn’t even want and in all honesty probably just wanted the whole thing over with but still as a Jays fan since 1977 I am disappointed with the way they handled this….

  22. irokkit - Oct 21, 2012 at 10:47 AM

    Pena should have gotten the job…with that said, I hope Farrell pans out. I liked him then, and the team needs…DESPERATELY… a leader. It was a completely different team then during his previous tenure. Farrell managed a squad in Toronto that had more overall talent then the current Sox lineup.
    The two money men should just sign the check and let baseball people be baseball people. So in closing, I hope GM Cherrington comes out of this looking right
    Go Red Sox

    And yes no matter what…the Yankees suck!!!!!

  23. paperlions - Oct 21, 2012 at 10:48 AM

    For the RS, “giving up” Aviles just solves a problem. He wasn’t under contract…so he was walking or going to be offered arbitration. He can’t hit and will be 32 yrs old. He’s a bench player, at best….but then….so is Lind.

    In short, “compensation” for Farrell was essentially nothing.

  24. Panda Claus - Oct 21, 2012 at 11:48 AM

    Toronto just got better in my opinion. And they picked up a serviceable player for their troubles.

  25. ericellers - Oct 21, 2012 at 3:48 PM

    So happy to see the baseball talk is progressing?

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