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Ex-bench coach Tim Bogar says Bobby Valentine is “completely wrong”

Oct 25, 2012, 9:45 AM EDT

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Tim Bogar, who spent this season as Bobby Valentine’s bench coach, responded to the former manager’s comments about the Red Sox coaching staff undermining him by saying Valentine is “completely wrong.”

“That bothers me because of what the coaches went through this year and what we dealt with,” Bogar said, via Joe McDonald of ESPN Boston. “The coaching staff was prepared to do everything that we were supposed to do to help Bobby succeed, but not once did he portray what he wanted us to do to help him and eventually he shut some of us out completely.”

Earlier this month, before being fired, Valentine said during a radio interview that he felt the coaching staff undermined him and last night in an interview with Bob Costas on NBC Sports Network he made similar comments and said: “I should have made sure the coaches were my guys.”

Bogar, who was a holdover from Terry Francona’s staff, insisted that his relationship with the players remained strong. “The only bad communication was between Bobby and everyone,” Bogar said. “The rest of the communication was great. I talked to the players daily about stuff. We talked about everything. The coaches talked about everything.”

Dustin Pedroia called Bogar a “calming voice” and Mike Aviles noted that he’d always go to Bogar with questions because “he’s one of those guys who has great communication skills.” Of course, McDonald writes that Valentine “resented the fact that the players often spoke with the coaching staff and not directly with him.”

But honestly, knowing what we know about Valentine and his inability to avoid making off-field headlines, if you were a player with an issue would you talk to him or a member of his coaching staff?

  1. richwizl - Oct 25, 2012 at 10:11 AM

    All I know is Bogar is one of the worst third base Coaches we’ve ever had; poor decisions all the time.

    • Old Gator - Oct 25, 2012 at 10:15 AM

      Yeah, but he was terrific in Key Largo.

      • pisano - Oct 25, 2012 at 10:57 AM

        Gator….as usual, great line.

    • proudlycanadian - Oct 25, 2012 at 12:35 PM

      Farrell should give him a chance to prove just how good/bad he is as a third base coach.

    • dan1111 - Oct 25, 2012 at 2:14 PM

      There are dozens of “bad” third base coaches, but can you name a single good one? Good decisions about sending the runners are never memorable, while the bad decisions (or even the decent decisions that didn’t work out) get seared into one’s memory.

    • professor30 - Oct 25, 2012 at 3:44 PM

      he wasn’t half as bad as “wave’em in wendel” kim.

  2. Old Gator - Oct 25, 2012 at 10:13 AM

    I have to feel for Beanbag fans (despite what a bunch of backstabbing, sycophantic slugs seem run their team) after this fiasco, having endured something similar – if not generally as virulent – down here in the Banana Dystopia of Macondo this season mercifully past.

    That said, the local spawrtsrighters and spawrts tork raydeeo hosts down here keep mentioning the “possibility” that Bobby V might be a candidate to replace the euthanized Slobbering Ozzie because of his “long friendship” with Scrooge McLoria. Ain’t happenin’ here, gents. Bobby skirmished hard with the Chihuahua and Teflon Larry on two separate occasions when Old Moneybins was toying with the idea of hiring him, and those episodes left a bad taste on everyone’s pedipalps. You can kick a corpse all you want, boyo, but without electrodes and a thunderstorm you ain’t bringing it back to life.

    • natslady - Oct 25, 2012 at 10:47 AM

      Shall I rub salt in your wounds, Gator? I forgot about this:

      Miguel Cabrera–
      December 4, 2007: Traded by the Florida Marlins with Dontrelle Willis to the Detroit Tigers for Dallas Trahern (minors), Burke Badenhop, Eulogio De La Cruz, Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller and Mike Rabelo.

      • henryd3rd - Oct 25, 2012 at 11:00 AM

        Ouch!

      • Old Gator - Oct 25, 2012 at 12:40 PM

        There is not a Feesh fan forcing highly oxygenated water through his gills who does not cringe at the mention of that trade. Many of us still suffer phantom Miggy pains.

      • dcfan4life - Oct 25, 2012 at 1:33 PM

        Ya but Cameron Maybin was an excellent prospect and did a great… hahahahahaahaha, i couldnt keep a straight face there sorry.

    • badintent - Oct 26, 2012 at 12:59 AM

      Facts are Facts , Thank you Walter Cronkite Old Gator never wrong. The man is a legend in our time.

  3. drewsylvania - Oct 25, 2012 at 10:15 AM

    “not once did he portray what he wanted us to do to help him”

    This seems like BS. It’s virtually impossible that BV didn’t give his coaches any direction at all over the entire season.

    • Old Gator - Oct 25, 2012 at 10:16 AM

      It does have that pong of improbability about it.

    • hockeyflow33 - Oct 25, 2012 at 12:45 PM

      Then you didn’t watch many games

  4. xpensivewinos - Oct 25, 2012 at 10:43 AM

    If he was going to be manager of the Red Sox, wouldn’t he have asked Lucchino/Cherington, “ummmm, guys……don’t I get to handpick all of my own coaching staff, especially my right hand man?” If they told him no, he should have walked away or demanded the right to do that.

    I guess none of that matters now.

    I don’t know if Farrell is the answer or not and the Red Sox have an entire roster to rebuild, but it does seem for the first time in 14 months, there are at least some positive vibes emanating out of that place, which is a nice change. Farrell seems like a decent guy, as opposed to Valentine and his odd, passive-aggressive, borderline psychotic personality, the Ortiz situation is far more amicable this year, it’s obvious the GM and manager are singing from the same songbook and they have a zillion dollars to spend thanks to the Dodgers being crack fiends.

    Who knows what that adds up to, but removing Valentine from the equation is like getting rid of a deadly poison. That immediately makes you better.

    • cur68 - Oct 25, 2012 at 11:07 AM

      The media shit-storm on Farrell is but one slip up away. They got plenty of dirt, too. The way the season went down in TO, Beaver Land, Farrell would have been roasted if he’d done that in Boston.

    • paperlions - Oct 25, 2012 at 11:49 AM

      No managers get to handpick their coaches anymore. Yeah, they have input, but teams interview and approve (or not) everyone because they want to control the message (which is completely understandable).

    • bigharold - Oct 25, 2012 at 3:43 PM

      “Who knows what that adds up to, but removing Valentine from the equation is like getting rid of a deadly poison. That immediately makes you better.”

      Except that Valentine was suppose to be the antidote for Francona. Remember him, .. he seemed like a “like a decent guy” too, until the RS flamed out in Sept 2011 and then he was, according to unnamed sources in the RS FO, a distracted drug abuser incapable of controlling his players. And, as was pointed out by Cur one significant screw up and the whispers about his “lax” managerial style will resurface. Then the Nation will once again raise torch and pitchfork and march through the streets.

      Regardless, unless the current GM does a better job than the previous one of signing FA talent it won’t matter anyway.

  5. moogro - Oct 25, 2012 at 11:40 AM

    Bobby got upset that Tim Bogar-ed all the questions.

  6. paperlions - Oct 25, 2012 at 11:57 AM

    Valentine came off as a giant douche in the interview (which was horribly conducted by Costas who tossed soft ball after soft ball and even said he thought Valentine saying Youkilis wasn’t as mentally or physically invested as he was in the past “innocuous”….seriously, who thinks saying a player doesn’t care as much or train as hard as he used to is innocuous?)

    Valentine never once took the blame (he said everything was his fault…then proceeded to blame everyone else). He made up an endless string of bullshit in order to blame everyone but himself.

    The saddest thing about the show (I continued to watch after the Valentine “interview”), was the level of inept overl-moralizing shown by Costas and Brennan when discussing Lance Armstrong. Brennan actually said that what Roethlisburger did (rape a woman in a bathroom while an off-duty cop guarded the door to prevent anyone from interrupting) wasn’t as big a deal because it didn’t affect performance…..then she went on to say that until Armstrong came clean in a multi-hour interview, he should never be heard from again….AND that if he admitted to doping he’d likely be forgiven (you know, like everyone said about McGuire, except that after he admitted things, the attitude against him hardened rather than softening).

  7. randygnyc - Oct 25, 2012 at 12:11 PM

    Paper- but ultimately McGuire is back in baseball because of it.

    • paperlions - Oct 25, 2012 at 12:54 PM

      He would have been back anyway, he was already hired. The only reason he talked about it was because the Cardinals made it a condition of his hiring to prevent the media from regularly bringing it up and possibly causing distractions.

  8. slartibartfast4242 - Oct 25, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    “if you were a player with an issue would you talk to him or a member of his coaching staff?”

    I think Alfredo Aceves tried talking to Valentine directly and that got him suspended. Was left off the team plane or some like that too if memory serves right. No wonder they didn’t want to talk to him.

  9. thebadguyswon - Oct 25, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    At least now, Boston has a tremendous manager with a proven track record of success. What a great job he did in Toronto with a team totally bereft of talent. Nothing can go wrong now.

  10. digbysellers - Oct 25, 2012 at 1:15 PM

    I’d watch an episode of Branded with Old Bogie

  11. markweinreb - Oct 25, 2012 at 1:29 PM

    As a Mets fan, Mr. Valentine had a few good seasons as well as getting to the World Series in 2000. However, they made many mental mistakes during the series (especially in the first game) and as a result lost the series 4 games to none. But soon after that the Mets players stopped communicating with Bobby and he was soon fired. He should have stayed in Japan or as a broadcaster. Dont think hell be rehired again by a major league team.

    • poreef - Oct 25, 2012 at 9:58 PM

      Not that it matters much, but that Series was 4-1. The Yankees were the better team by a lot, but the combined run differential for the series was only +3. The Mets didn’t play good ball and it cost them a run here and a run there – esp. in the 1st game as you note.

  12. irokkit - Oct 25, 2012 at 5:19 PM

    Heeeeeere we goooooo
    faaaarrrrrreeeeell
    heeeeeere we GO!!!!!

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