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No team has ever rallied from 3-0 World Series deficit

Oct 28, 2012, 8:52 AM EDT

MLB.com’s Alyson Footer shows the odds are grim for Detroit …

  1. ptfu - Oct 28, 2012 at 9:55 AM

    It had to be said…

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    • Old Gator - Oct 28, 2012 at 2:05 PM

      I’m sitting with my head in my hands in the Tigger clubhouse and Miggy and Prince get up and give those speeches, I take a big swig of yaghe-laced Gatorade, take my bat in my hand, walk out onto the field, and beat the living shit out of every reporter I come across.

      Then I lose one more game and go ice fishing with Brown Dog on the Upper Peninsula until February. But boy, do I feel better about myself.

  2. 13arod - Oct 28, 2012 at 10:01 AM

    never say never

  3. Glenn - Oct 28, 2012 at 10:29 AM

    The 2004 Red Sox showed that it can be done. There was never a more unlikely baseball series winner than those Sox after they were pummled by the Yanks in Game 3.

    • Glenn - Oct 28, 2012 at 10:33 AM

      Sorry for the typo.

  4. coachhowi - Oct 28, 2012 at 10:32 AM

    it will not happen again!! The Tigers are a beer league out of shape lazy baseball team that does nothing to create breaks or opportunities to score runs. If they don’t hit the bomb they don’t win!!! That is not how the game is played especially when it is 40 degrees and a huge yard. I wouldn’t be suprised to see another shutout tonight!!! Tigers, play baseball not beer league softball, you might win a game.

  5. buddaley - Oct 28, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    The Tigers do not have to win 4 games in a row. They have to win tonight. What would people say, leaving aside the appearance of SF superiority over the first 3 games, about the possibility that Detroit wins tonight?

    So far, it appears the Giants are a much better team-over 3 games. How likely was it-before the series started-that they would win 3 straight games, especially having to face Verlander while they pitched Zito?

    If it is possible that Detroit wins tonight, then they simply have to win game 5, Verlander vs. Zito. Is it a given the Giants win that game?

    How many times during a season does a team win 4 straight games? Or lose 4 straight? Or win 3 straight and then lose 4 straight? Or lose 3 straight and then win 4 straight? In fact, as an example, the White Sox lost 5 straight to Boston & Detroit and immediately won 5 in a row vs. Minnesota & Texas. Later in the season, they were swept in 3 games by KC before a 6 game win streak vs the Yankees and Seattle.

    Naturally, against an excellent team like SF and with flaws that analysts saw in Detroit even before the season started, it is not easy to defeat the Giants over and over. But for now, the only issue is to win tonight. After that, they have to win a Verlander start and if they do, they have to win a Fister start. I don’t think a history of 23 incidents provides much support for the view that it is even unlikely let alone nearly impossible.

    At least not any more unlikely that Detroit would shut down the #1 offense in the AL over 4 games or that SF, whose whose pitching/defense was tied for 4th best in the NL, can, over 7 games, shut down a Detroit offense that was tied for 4th best in the AL.

    I am not predicting a Tiger victory. And I am enormously impressed by the Giants play in the post-season. They deserve accolades galore. But I think we have to wait to the end before bestowing the wreath. The old saw holds; “A team is rarely as bad as it looks when on a losing streak or as good as it appears while it is winning.”

    • pw38 - Oct 28, 2012 at 12:21 PM

      Semantics. They have to win 4 in a row, no way around it. Yes you take it one game at a time, blah blah, but in the big picture they have to win four in a row and in the WS that’s never happened. Not saying it won’t happen but this is so far beyond improbable that it borders on impossible.

      • stex52 - Oct 28, 2012 at 12:47 PM

        I think his point is that the “big picture” is irrelevant at this point. In baseball, with a different pitcher everyday, the individual game is much more an independent entity than in other sports. From a mathematical perspective, assuming the teams are pretty much matched in talent (not perfect, but not a bad assumption); Detroit’s odds are 6%. So it makes a lot of sense to ignore anything but today’s game. The rest can be dealt with tomorrow.

      • buddaley - Oct 28, 2012 at 1:42 PM

        Yes, stex52, that is the point.

        There is nothing unusual about a 4 game winning streak. If teams have won 4 straight to sweep the World Series, which has happened 19 times since 1903, why can’t they win 4 straight after being down 3-0 in games? Unless someone thinks that being down 3-0 is strong enough evidence that one team is clearly better than the other, or that momentum is a major factor, I don’t see the difference. (And it hasn’t only happened when one team was by consensus clearly better.)

        In fact, there have been other instances when teams won 4 straight World Series games. For example, in 1996 the Yankees were down 2-0 but then swept the Braves. Why is it so unlikely to happen when a team is down 3-0? Is there really a reason or is it simply a curiosity, and thus without predictive value, that it has never happened that particular way

        Naturally, when two good teams are playing each other, it is unlikely that one team will dominate. And it is possible that there are specific matchups which make one team clearly a favorite. But when the series started, how many thought it likely that the Giants would win 3 straight? We see now that they have played better in a number of ways, but is that evidence of superiority or simply an instance of a 3 game anomaly?

      • sailcat54 - Oct 28, 2012 at 2:02 PM

        Wishful thinking. The reason no team has come from behind to win four in a row is simply because they didn’t get in that unenviable position by accident: the team that put them there is playing better baseball. The Tigers will not win four to take this series simply because the Giants are pitching, hitting, and fielding better than they are. Period.

        Good luck to the Tigers in 2013 but the 2012 season belongs to the San Francisco Giants.

      • pw38 - Oct 28, 2012 at 2:59 PM

        The big picture is very relevant at this point. Coming back like that doesn’t happen a lot (never in the WS in fact) because these are people not robots. Their emotions get the best of them and in the end it’s far more reasonable to assume a team can get on a roll and win the first 3 or four than come from behind after being down 3 already. It’s hard to play with a game 7 mentality for four straight games so it’s not surprising to see it’s never been done in the WS before. In fact you’re arguing my point for me. Because these are people and not robots, and because they play with emotion, it’s not surprising to see success build on itself, same as seeing failure compound itself. The Tigers are done. Maybe not for game 4 but they’re not gonna win this thing. To argue otherwise is just showing a lack of understanding of the bigger picture.

      • stex52 - Oct 28, 2012 at 4:46 PM

        pw, we really aren’t disagreeing too much. My contention is pretty close to yours; if they look at the big picture they are toast. If they bury their heads in what the job is for today, they do have a chance, because their emotions won’t overwhelm them. But I actually agree that the odds they can do that, especially against a team that is motivated and playing well, are small.

      • pw38 - Oct 30, 2012 at 12:00 PM

        Whelp, so much for that lol.

  6. fuddpucker - Oct 28, 2012 at 12:21 PM

    Poor Detroit, still showing they can’t win the big one.

    I guess all the Detroiters will now have to root for the Lions instead. Oh, wait..

  7. TheBlindUmp - Oct 28, 2012 at 12:46 PM

    Not impossible but the fat lady is warming up in the pen!

    • sailcat54 - Oct 28, 2012 at 2:26 PM

      Cain will start tonight and he will still have Casilla, Affeldt, and Romo in reserve! If the Giants’s bats remain hot, they will close this series in a sweep! The only question is whether the Tigers have enough fight left in them to make it an interesting game, something they haven’t done in their previous three efforts.

  8. thatyankeedude - Oct 28, 2012 at 6:15 PM

    LOL!!!!

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