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“Pursuing A-Rod makes sense for the Phillies”

Oct 31, 2012, 4:39 PM EDT

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It’s the offseason and free agents can’t even sign yet, so what better time to start some good old fashioned shootin’-the-poop over almost certainly not going to happen roster moves?

Today: Corey Seidman and the CSNPhilly.com gang talking about A-Rod to the Phillies!

Pursuing A-Rod makes sense for the Phillies, who have a glaring hole at third base. There just aren’t many impact names set for free agency at the position … A-Rod is not the player he was in his 13-year peak, when he hit .308 with averages of 42 homers and 122 RBI per season. He’s not even the player he was in 2009 and 2010, when he had an .888 OPS and 30 homers each year. But he’s still a vast upgrade over what the Phillies have. Phillies third basemen hit .272 with five home runs and 42 RBI in 162 games this past season.

Underscoring all of it is the fact that third base is THIN in this year’s market, with really only Kevin Youkilis, Scott Rolen (ha!), Eric Chavez and maybe Marco Scutaro available. Like, ick.

But no, I don’t think it will happen. I doubt most of the folks opining on it at CSNPhilly.com think it will either.  But it’s the offseason. Think of this as a bar and have fun with it!

  1. illadelphiasphinest - Oct 31, 2012 at 4:46 PM

    Only if NY covers about 100MM of that contract would I consider it. Our priority should be signing John Hamilton. We need a power bat that is capable of hitting .300.

    • Reflex - Oct 31, 2012 at 4:58 PM

      I think Josh is the better hitter, actually.

    • lazlosother - Oct 31, 2012 at 5:00 PM

      NY won’t consider it either. Why would they pay 100 mil so an above average (when healthy) 3rd baseman could play in Philly? On top of that they have to fill the position in a thin market (and no, they don’t have the boatload of talent it would take to pry Headly from San Diego). A-Rod isn’t going anywhere.

      • anxovies - Nov 1, 2012 at 7:38 PM

        At least not until/unless Dante Bichette’s son, who is in the low minors really comes on.

    • pjmarn6 - Oct 31, 2012 at 8:32 PM

      Why would any team want Rodriguez? I looked it up and he has a financial net worth of $350,000,000. If that is not a disincentive to put out extra effort then nothing is. When you have that amount of money and guaranteed another $100,000,000+ just for showing up at the stadium, would anyone with his attitude put out 100%, 80%, 50%? Hell he just has to put on a uniform and stick his hand out every week for his check, no matter what he does.

      • jimeejohnson - Oct 31, 2012 at 8:46 PM

        350 million! Owners can be useful idiots, too!

      • mkd - Nov 1, 2012 at 4:50 AM

        There is nothing I love more than the argument that men who have spent their entire lives in competitive sports simply lose their desire to dominate on the field the minute they get paid. As if there nothing else in there that motivates them to excel besides money. I know baseball is a business, but I’m not talking about that part. I’m talking the part where to be that good you have to be temperamentally obsessed with being the best at whatever you do.

        But even if you don’t believe that, Alex Rodriguez once got a $250 million contract and then won 3 MVPs so you’re argument still sucks.

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Nov 1, 2012 at 10:17 AM

        I am pretty sure this same logic could be applied to every MLB player beyond his arbitration years. People criticize ARod for lots of things, but his work ethic has never been among those complaints. Next.

      • anxovies - Nov 1, 2012 at 7:50 PM

        What “attitude” are you talking about? Those of us who watch Yankee games a lot see him putting out maximum effort on every play. He is a consummate team player as evidenced by the fact that at 38 he stole 13 bases and took 51 walks. He runs the bases hard on every play, even on obvious outs and works on his game as hard as anyone in baseball. It’s not his work ethic that might make a team reluctant to take him, it’s his ability to put the ball squarely on the bat as he has aged that is the problem. Having said that, if he is able to avoid injury next year I would not be surprised to see him rebound in a big way. You should stop reading the gossip and start watching the game.

  2. Shafer's Dealer - Oct 31, 2012 at 5:05 PM

    Please do.
    The only thing better than watching Ryan Howard make the last out of the season, is watching Alex Rodriguez do it..

    • Marty - Oct 31, 2012 at 5:15 PM

      BAMB!

      • pjmarn6 - Nov 1, 2012 at 12:11 PM

        mkd GET BACK TO ME after you have been in business for 50 years and have had to hire, fire, dozens of workers, work with them encourage them, listen to their sob stories, hold their hands, give them bonuses for good work and suspend them for gross negligence, etc and at the same time look over their shoulders every minute as to how their actions affect sales and customers and then write your sob story about Rodriguez. Rodriguez does not deserve the $350,000,000 he now has. One of my sales people showed up drunk and he was sent home with the warning, that was his only chance. If one of my workers was on drugs, he would be immediately fired. Rodriguez used illegal drugs. He did not have a prescription for the drugs and illegally obtained them. Check the U.S. drug laws on obtaining medicines. RODRIQUEZ CHEATED TO GET THE QUARTER BILLION DOLLAR SALARY FROM TEXAS! I KNEW THE YANKEES WERE GOING TO GET HIM! I knew he would flame out. Without drugs to soup him up he is an average third baseman. I am unaware what drugs he used and what the side effects are after he stopped using them. I do know that what we are seeing is the real side of Rodriguez, a spoiled cheater who chokes and needed stimulants to produce his good years. Baseball wanted to fill the seats and turned a blind eye. This problem already happened in horse racing and that is why blood samples are taken from every horse that wins, places and shows to test for drugs for the last 40 years and why ARMSTRONG was stripped of his medals and awards.
        I loved major league baseball, and I am opposed to suspensions. I want immediate, permanent ejections and repayment of all salaries. That will stop drug use in its tracks.
        The money Rodriguez got using drugs should be returned to baseball and put in a fund for little leagues, and baseball programs to find and develop real talent.
        Perhaps you applaud Rodriguez taking photo ops with Warren Buffet on the baseball grounds of Yankee Stadium. You want to ask Rodriguez how many shares of Warren Buffet’s $130,000 per share Berkshire Hathaway stock Rodriguez has? You applaud and want to sanction Rodriquez’s cheating? Can you restore the credibility of baseball and wipe out all the records that were created by cheating players who used drugs?
        Take that and piss in your hat!

      • anxovies - Nov 1, 2012 at 8:05 PM

        Somehow I think pjmarn6’s outrage over employees using drugs would not be so vehement if the drugs made them much better and more efficient employees, which is the reason baseball owners turned a blind eye on steroids until the feds got involved. Now, if ARod had come out for more taxes on private businesses I can’t imagine the rant that we would have from pjmarn6.

  3. pisano - Oct 31, 2012 at 5:26 PM

    Please, let someone take him!

    • pjmarn6 - Nov 1, 2012 at 12:24 PM

      mkd Let’s say you have a serious heart condition and need an operation. Would you use a doctor who cheated his way through med school and cheated on his state boards to be your doctor? Granted baseball is an optional spectator sport and not a necessary business to watch for the population but for one who grew up with baseball on the radio and then tv, I am horribly offended by these shitheads who cheated, stole, created fake records and took away my illusions that baseball was the national sport.

  4. chew1985 - Oct 31, 2012 at 5:28 PM

    I think of my beloved Fightin’s just a few years ago when all the news was good, and the term dynasty was thrown around like shaving cream after another big win after win. When Ryan Howard knew the difference between a ball and a strike…

    Then…Roy Oswalt, Danny Baez, Ty Wigginton, and Jose Contreras turned fifty.

    And now A-Rod.

    Somebody load my gun and put it in my mouth.

    • Francisco (FC) - Oct 31, 2012 at 6:33 PM

      Jeez dude, at least wait until they reach Pirate levels of futility before picking succumbing to suicidal tendencies.

  5. Brad Hill - Oct 31, 2012 at 5:38 PM

    Alex Rodriguez for Ryan Howard. Which team says no?

    • Jeremy T - Oct 31, 2012 at 5:44 PM

      Probably the Yankees, since they already have 1B and DH pretty much locked up for a while, and they’d be making a big hole at 3rd. The Phils might not want to do it either, because of Howard’s popularity and A-Rod’s contract.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Oct 31, 2012 at 6:53 PM

        The less money on Howard’s contract isn’t enough of an off-set to, unfortunately, what amounts to a platoon player these days.

  6. lroc20 - Oct 31, 2012 at 6:27 PM

    If the skanks eat some of that ridiculousness that is his contract, i will go pick him up at the airport

  7. js20011041 - Oct 31, 2012 at 7:28 PM

    The Phillies need to figure out what they’re doing. Are they going all out for a championship or are they rebuilding. I don’t think just trying to get by enough to make the coin flip game is going to be very successful. Signing Cole Hamels long term tells me that they’re not rebuilding, but they still have several holes. All of the outfield spots are unsettled, as well as 3B. The bullpen’s a mess. What they do have set is an aging group of former stars. They still have so much money locked in to this roster that I don’t really see them going all out after Greinke or Hamilton. Aside from those two, the free agent market is fairly thin. Also, I’m not sure that they have the prospects to go out and substantially improve the team. It was a great run by the core of that team but I think that Phillies fans should prepare themselves for perpetual mediocrity.

  8. amehta256 - Oct 31, 2012 at 7:34 PM

    Would anyone be surprised if in this offseason ARod took some mysterious supplements and hit 35 homers next yr and drove in 100? Guy is done, do not sign him, let him get embarrassed in a big market.

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Nov 1, 2012 at 10:20 AM

      Would anyone be surprised if ARod has a relatively healthy season and hits .300/30/100? I wouldn’t. Health is really the big concern now, and he avoided the chronic stuff this past season (broken hand is not a result of his body breaking down). Older players than ARod have had great seasons, and the argument could be made that ARod is a better player than most of them.

  9. dman6015 - Oct 31, 2012 at 7:45 PM

    Please, please, please take him! We don’t want him anymore. He’s washed up. We need new blood in the lineup. Jeter can’t last forever.

    • delchef9 - Oct 31, 2012 at 11:08 PM

      I think thats what the y’re sayin…….. Just eat good portion of A Rod’s contract and the Phillies could use him for a couple years ’till they develope they’re A level 3rd basemen.

  10. scotttheskeptic - Oct 31, 2012 at 7:58 PM

    After the 2011 season, some surmised that the Phils would need until 2015 or 2016 to fully return to prominence (at least I did). Then last year’s roster construction (?) convinced me. This would push that timetable back to 2018 or 2019 by the time all these long-term contracts are gone, and there is more than $10mm to spend on the “bottom” 18 or 19 players on the roster.

    This fan pleads, DO NOT DO THIS!

  11. yankeepunk3000 - Oct 31, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    a-rod might be a Yankee next year but probally not the year after that…either way yankees were moronic to sign this guy to such a deal…if they can get a couple of young talented players and save mabye 25 million I would be ecstatic…but doubtfull.

  12. thesmedman - Oct 31, 2012 at 10:17 PM

    If NYY pays most of the salary, I think the Phillies should pursue it.

  13. cackalackyank - Oct 31, 2012 at 11:13 PM

    The thing I can’t say I have heard from all the folks that want to dump A-rod is who is going to play those 120-130 games at third base? Nunez…he is going to just be a SS acording to the latest team info. Chavez? If he doesn’t retire he might last through 60-80 starts,if they’re lucky, and don’t forget he is the backup 1B now, if he resigns since everyone is so sure Swisher should go. So once again I ask (keeping in mind the Yankees do not have the package to land the much talked about Headly) who is playing third if you find someone to take A-rod?

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Nov 1, 2012 at 10:22 AM

      Joel Sherman? From reading his critiques of ARod, it is apparently easy to play 3B and hit cleanup for the Yankees, and only ARod’s weak mental condition led to his failure all these years.

  14. lgwelsh1 - Nov 1, 2012 at 7:13 AM

    The funny thing is nobody has said anything bad about him for the last 4 years and all of a sudden he is enemy #1 again LOL. He comes back and hit’s .280-.300 with 30 HR and 100 RBI’s nobody is going to say a thing until……..LOL

  15. bubba703 - Nov 1, 2012 at 7:28 AM

    Besides being grossly overpaid, with declining skills, tainted with PEDs, and with exception of one season, traditionally comes up small during the playoffs, I can’t think of any reason why Philly shouldn’t sign him.

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Nov 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM

      Yeah, phils would NEVER have anyone on their team with those issues.

  16. hisgirlgotburrelled - Nov 1, 2012 at 9:40 AM

    The Phillies have been looking for production out of 3B since forever. But ARod is only 13 HR’s away from the first bonus for milestone HR’s. His 2013 salary is $28 million + $6 million when he hits 660 HR’s. How much of that are the Yankees willing to pay? Is someone expecting them to pick up half?

  17. sidelineshot - Nov 1, 2012 at 1:00 PM

    One way the Bombers can get rid of A-Rod is by trading bad contracts.

    How about calling Magic Johnson, and taking Adrian Gonzales and Carl Crawford off their hands for A-Rod. Platoon Texeira and Gonzo at 1st/DH.
    :-)

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