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Indians acquire Mike Aviles from Blue Jays

Nov 3, 2012, 1:20 PM EST

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Two weeks after being traded to the Blue Jays in the deal that sent manager John Farrell to the Red Sox, Mike Aviles is on the move again.

Jordan Bastian of MLB.com reports that the Blue Jays have shipped Aviles and utility man Yan Gomes to the Indians in exchange for right-hander Esmil Rogers.

Aviles, who turns 32 next March, batted .250/.282/.381 with 13 home runs, 60 RBI and a .663 OPS in 136 games this season for the Red Sox. He earned $1.2 million in 2012 and is arbitration-eligible for the second time this winter.

The Indians already have Asdrubal Cabrera and Jason Kipnis as starters at shortstop and second base respectively, so Aviles could be in the mix at third base or as a backup infielder. It helps that he’s right-handed, as the Indians batted just .234/.312/.352 with a .664 OPS against southpaws this season. Aviles has a .797 career OPS against left-handed pitching.

Gomes, 25, batted .204/.264/.367 with four home runs, 13 RBI and a .631 OPS in 43 games with the Blue Jays this season while making starts at first base, third base, left field and behind the plate. The Brazil native could provide some versatility off the bench and some pop from the right side of the plate.

Rogers began this season with the Rockies, but posted a brutal 8.06 ERA over his first 23 appearances before being traded to the Indians in June. The 27-year-old was quietly very effective with his new club, compiling a 3.06 ERA and 54/12 K/BB ratio over 53 innings. The hard-throwing right-hander has experience as a starter, but it looks like he has found his niche out of the bullpen.

  1. dondada10 - Nov 3, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    Yan Gomes is Brazilian. I know that because he made his debut against the Yankees and then played a three game set against the Mets. And anytime the kid got on a different base or scratched a different nut, he was the first Brazilian to have ever done that in the Majors.

    It got old, fast.

    • cur68 - Nov 3, 2012 at 1:39 PM

      He was a Brazilian playing on a team who’s country’s national animal is the Mighty Beaver. That never got old. Not for me. Now he’s with the Indians, eh? There’s a joke involving Napoleon Chagnon, Brazilian Indians and highly suspect anthropology to be made here. The gauntlet, she is thrown down…

      • bjbeliever - Nov 3, 2012 at 2:27 PM

        Why you gotta bring the beaver into this?

      • kiwicricket - Nov 3, 2012 at 2:33 PM

        Riddle me this…how come Sweden, Luxembourg, Armenia, Macedonia, United Kingdom, Belgium, Bulgaria, Ethiopia, Singapore, Libya and Liberia have the mighty Lion as their national animal? Really….Sweden??? Singapore?? Lion??

        Feeling slightly short changed with the night dwelling flightless bird.

      • cur68 - Nov 3, 2012 at 6:09 PM

        I see your flightless nocturnal bird and raise you a giant buck-toothed rat.

  2. jaysfan64 - Nov 3, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    Fans here like Gomes however he doesn’t project as a starter…Rogers is a good young controllable arm with K potential..also AA gets rid of Aviles and his possible arbitration case..Good trade here as both clubs get serviceable players..

  3. Detroit Michael - Nov 3, 2012 at 1:58 PM

    So, doesn’t this make Mike Aviles the Mike Napoli of this off-season? If he hits nearly .400 with power + walks in the second half of 2013, remember this post!

    More seriously, Aviles seems underrated based on these trades. His stats both on offense and defense have been really inconsistent from year-to-year, but overall he seems like a decent player.

    • paperlions - Nov 3, 2012 at 3:08 PM

      It may seem like he is….but he’s not.

      His fielding is average and will probably decline (especially at SS) going forward considering his age (32).

      His career OBP is .308 (which is bad), he does have a little bit of power, but his career wOBA and wRC+ are .312 and 89 respectively…and there is evidence that he is already in decline (not surprising, given his age). He’s a bench player at best and a hole in the lineup and field if he has to play everyday.

  4. jaysjunkie - Nov 3, 2012 at 2:11 PM

    Interesting trade. Don’t really care about losing Aviles…Gomes I’m a little disappointed to see go, though. I was surprised his average was only .204…seemed like he hit better than that (believe he got off to a great start, which can obscure your recall of things slightly).

    Rogers’ 8.06 ERA with the Rockies worries me. Hope we get the Indians version of him. And he’ll certainly be pitching in an appropriately named stadium.

  5. flavadave10 - Nov 3, 2012 at 2:19 PM

    Is AA attempting to get a monopoly on relievers or something?

    • proudlycanadian - Nov 3, 2012 at 2:23 PM

      Injuries and trades happen.

      • flavadave10 - Nov 3, 2012 at 2:26 PM

        I hear you. It’s just that every time I turn around, it seems like AA has traded for or claimed another reliever or former Angels catcher.

      • proudlycanadian - Nov 3, 2012 at 2:32 PM

        Watch for a big trade, possibly with Tampa Bay.

      • flavadave10 - Nov 3, 2012 at 2:37 PM

        The Jays would have to be short on the list of teams the Rays wouldn’t trade Shields or Price to no matter what.

      • proudlycanadian - Nov 3, 2012 at 3:02 PM

        We will see. The Jays have a surplus of players in positions Tampa Bay’s needs (C, CF and 1B).

      • indaburg - Nov 3, 2012 at 3:12 PM

        Tampa Bay trading with Toronto is highly unlikely. Friedman’s MO is to not trade within the division.

      • proudlycanadian - Nov 3, 2012 at 5:15 PM

        We will see.

      • paperlions - Nov 3, 2012 at 7:28 PM

        PC:

        Who are these position players at C, CF, or 1B Toronto has the represent an upgrade for TB and that are worth an excellent young pitcher that would qualify as a “big trade”? If TB does trade from their excess pitching (probably from the about to be expensive bin)….it seems like there are plenty of organizations that have position players ready to contribute right now, which I just don’t see in Toronto…unless you think they are going to part with d’Arnaud.

      • proudlycanadian - Nov 3, 2012 at 7:38 PM

        The Jays are set to trade a catcher.

      • proudlycanadian - Nov 3, 2012 at 8:24 PM

        When the Jays got Bobby Wilson from the Angels, it ment that they had 5 catchers (including Gomes) on the 40 man roster. It was obvious that either Arencibia or d’Arnaud would probably be traded.

      • paperlions - Nov 3, 2012 at 8:49 PM

        Yeah, but Arencibia isn’t particularly good, and therefore particularly valuable in trade. Below average players just don’t bring much in trade.

      • proudlycanadian - Nov 3, 2012 at 9:03 PM

        We disagree about Arencibia. Just as he was getting hot at the plate he broke his hand on a foul ball.

      • paperlions - Nov 3, 2012 at 11:12 PM

        Just as he was getting hot? Seriously?

        This is a 27 yr old with 895 mlb plate appearances and a .275 OBP. He is a horrible offensive player (only 2 catchers with 300+ PAs last year had a worse OBP than him)….and his defense is nothing special. There isn’t anything in his MiLB record to indicate that he’s anything other than what we’ve seen so far. We may disagree, but I bet nearly every MLB GM would agree with my assessment of his value…he’s a far below average MLB catcher.

      • paint771 - Nov 4, 2012 at 3:20 AM

        I think paperlions is half right.

        On the wrong half, he’s undervaluing a catcher who is an even money bet for putting up 20+ homeruns a year. Those don’t grow on trees, and truth be told there is a pretty big dearth of catchers with any kind of offensive upside in the bigs – and an equally big dearth of teams with any kind of long term solution at the position. A guy with replacement level or better defense who strikes out a ton but has a lot of pop is not below average in terms of the market. Look at John Buck, who is making 6 million a year – JPA is making 500k.

        Where paperlions is right, of course, is that JPA still kind of sucks, and most Jays fans tend to wildly overestimate the trade value of their guys. I say that as a true blue Jays fans, btw. But be it Travis Snider, JP Arencibia, or whoever, I think Toronto folks tend to put a sticker on players based on their internal hype rather than actual performance. No, Adam Lind is not going to get you a starter. He just kind of sucks.

      • cur68 - Nov 4, 2012 at 7:47 AM

        I been reading this lil to & fro on the face o the Beav. Something strikes me: Jose Bautista kind of sucked till he was given a chance, some coaching and some playing time on the Beav. Then, toward the end of 2009, he turned into a monster. Think that’s coincidence? Let me put another name out there: Edwin “E5″ Encarnacion. Also kind of sucked. Then, toward the end of 2012, turned into a monster. So that’s 2. Then the AAA kids. They sucked. Then towards the end of the season, started hitting, getting on base, looking like MLB players instead of SO artists. Arencebia? Was showing signs of doing that too: he was hitting, being walked, showing the same signs. Then broke his hand. Like ARod, wasn’t terribly effective coming back after that. Adam Lind: bad back and was told to “walk more” and looked terrible. Re-habbed his back, ignored the “walk more” advice and was back to hitting when he got his chance. Between some really dip-stick level managing (thanks, Farrell) and that perfect shit-storm of injuries everyone looked worse there, so I have a hard time saying what the performance level of those guys really is. But I do know this: next season The Beav will feature one of the most potent 1-2 punch in all baseball: Bautista, E5. They’ll have their catcher back with more time between himself and injury. The AAA kids with more time working over their swings. A new manager who’ll hopefully leave off with the advice and let the boys play like they know how. All this ‘speculatin’? Well I’m going to wait and see, but I like what I saw out of those guys towards the end there. I got some hope.

      • paperlions - Nov 4, 2012 at 10:18 AM

        Jose Bautista kind of sucked for nearly 2000 MLB PAs. He apparently rebuild his swing, and it made a huge difference, not the opportunity…he’d been getting regular ABs for years and sucked.

        Lind still sucks, he had one great year a while ago and since then he’s been the same guy, even last year, he sucked for a 1B/DH.

        Gose never hit much in the minors (not even in LV). True, he was always a little young for his league and is still young…but wouldn’t you like to see at least some track record of…you know, production?

        Same with Hechavaria. He was a horrible hitter at ever stop except for LV, and those numbers simply don’t translate into MLB production. I guess you can be optimistic, but there isn’t much basis to expect either of those youngsters to be league average hitters.

  6. Kevin Gillman - Nov 3, 2012 at 2:28 PM

    I think the Indians are going to dangle Asdrubral Cabrera now to get James Shields from Tampa. Now if that were to happen, Aviles can be the everday SS, and not Juan Diaz, who is in AAA. This team might look different by the time the season starts.

    • Lukehart80 - Nov 3, 2012 at 4:59 PM

      That would be awesome, and I do think Cabrera will be moved, but not for Shields.

  7. canadabaseball - Nov 3, 2012 at 3:00 PM

    The jays need a 2B why trade him he would have been fine for this season
    They should really think about trading yunel or Jose
    They are not making the playoffs this year they need to get young major league arms and a 2B

  8. paint771 - Nov 3, 2012 at 3:01 PM

    Worth noting that Rogers is 27 and controllable for four years. Which AA clearly values to the point of fetishization.

    But meh – I agree that I think Aviles is being undervalued. But more to the point, hard for me to get worked up about trading packs of pretty decent veteran and prospect position players for who knows middle relievers. If AA isn’t careful he’s going to have a stockpile of C+ to A- middle relief and a shortage of AAA position players for either backup or trade bait for a starter. Just seems to me he’s been basically dicking around the edges for the last year, but that adds up in terms of dipping into the resource pool. And I don’t know that our single A pitchers or Escobar/Arencibia are anywhere near enough to remake a rotation (and certainly leaves us increasingly little flexibility on offense, which AA has made clear he isn’t worried about now, but who knows what that looks like in a couple of years).

    • jaysjunkie - Nov 3, 2012 at 7:06 PM

      Lol @ “Which AA clearly values to the point of fetishization.”

  9. canadabaseball - Nov 3, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    I just think the jays could get a team to grossly over pay for Jose Bautista if they arnt going to make the playoffs they should trade him before his productivity gos down they could get a #1 starter a couple young major leaguers/ high draft picks

    • cur68 - Nov 3, 2012 at 6:22 PM

      Second time you mention trading Bautista on the same post. I think you might not grasp the nature of this MLB enterprise. The goal of the team is not to win games or championships. Its to put butts in seats. Often these things coincide but, when they don’t (as “no championship and a lot of losing games”) then you still need those butts in the stadium. One of the best ways to do that is to have a marquee player. Like, say, the HR king 2 seasons running (and would have been 3 but for injury). A guy who can field his position like a gold glove Right Fielder. Cannon arm. Clean image and who’s young enough to be worth his contract. Trade Bautista? For what? A lot of unproven talent into a farm system with a ton of unproven talent already? This makes no sense now (might in the future, though, if their’s an ace pitcher in the offing and the team was going to contend). Right now Anthopolous needs to put a product on the field that fans want to see. Fans want to see Bautista if they can’t see a championship.And don’t be so sure they won’t contend, either.

    • paint771 - Nov 4, 2012 at 3:40 AM

      This year, the qualifying offer for free agents, the average of the top 125 players’ salaries in 2011, is $13.3 million.

      Jose Bautista makes $14 million a year, through 2016.

      In terms of Win Probability Added or most any other value metric you might care to use, Bautista is one of the top five most valuable position players in baseball the last three years.

      He gets paid about the same as Jared Weaver.

      And, I wouldn’t even begin to try and put a price on the butts in seats or franchise player aspect that cur mentions.

      So yeah, you COULD probably get a team to over pay for Bautista. But the real question is – what return is worth it?

      I don’t mean that facetiously – any player is dealable, and certainly Jose is 32 and the Jays may well not contend while he’s still a live asset. But seriously – give me a package that has any realistic chance of ever being offered that you think the Jays would or should take for Joey Bats. Because, for my part, I literally cannot think of a trade I would take.

  10. canadabaseball - Nov 3, 2012 at 3:14 PM

    Prospects****

  11. tfbuckfutter - Nov 3, 2012 at 4:04 PM

    You know what is funny?

    Aviles was traded to the Red Sox by the Royals in 2011. The 2011 Royals won 71 games, but won 65 and 67 games the previous two season with Aviles there the whole season.

    The Red Sox had Aviles on the roster during their 2011 collapse and then in 2012 won 69 games.

    Aviles was then traded to Toronto, who won 73 games and then to Cleveland who won 68 games.

    So it seems Mike Aviles’ presence on a team signifies that the team in question is terrible at baseball.

    Which may be why those teams do things like….trading for Mike Aviles.

  12. personalspaceinvader - Nov 3, 2012 at 5:40 PM

    Esmil has the kind of stuff you like to see coming out of the pen. He struggled with control in Colorado, but seeing his splits after the trade makes one wonder just how much pitching at LOL Coors affected his performance. The Rockies tried to profile him as a starter (disaster) and then a long man (not terrible) before he needed to be moved.

    If Tracy gets the job in Toronto, at least he’ll have his best buddy Rogers with him.

  13. randygnyc - Nov 4, 2012 at 12:27 AM

    I agree that the Jays should trade Bautista for an ace and a 2nd baseman (maybe trade Escobar too). They could probably get enough all star talent in return to make them more competitive. But alas, they won’t because he is the fan favorite and the main draw. A reasonable argument can be made for both sides of the argument.

  14. canadabaseball - Nov 4, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    Gose’s whole time in LV they where trying to rebuild his swing tho

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