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The Cardinals are interested in Asdrubal Cabrera

Nov 7, 2012, 4:31 PM EDT

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We mentioned this morning that the Indians’ Chris Antonetti would listen to any offers. He may have one soon from St. Louis, reports Joe Strauss:

The Cardinals have “real” interest in pursuing Cleveland shortstop Asdrubal Cabrera if the Indians, as rumored, shop him this winter.

I suppose a lot of teams would. Cabrera hit .270/.338/.423 with 16 home runs and 68 RBI in 616 plate appearances last season, and it’s not like there’s boatloads of talent at shortstop in the bigs these days.

Which makes me skeptical that the Indians would seriously consider dealing him.

  1. bigtrav425 - Nov 7, 2012 at 5:05 PM

    im a tribe fan and I hope he goes…he is a solid player but nothing special and we have what’s his name in the minors who will be here in 2014 or the end of next yr.so why not try and get something for him

  2. Drew Silva - Nov 7, 2012 at 5:25 PM

    1. Matt Carpenter, 2B
    2. Carlos Beltran, RF
    3. Matt Holliday, LF
    4. Allen Craig, 1B
    5. Yadier Molina, C
    6. David Freese, 3B
    7. Oscar Taveras, CF
    8. Asdrubal Cabrera, SS

    Nasty.

  3. cardinalcrazy - Nov 7, 2012 at 5:57 PM

    Even better:

    1. Jon Jay or Oscar Taveras, CF (has good OBP)
    2. Carlos Beltran, 1B
    3. Matt Holliday, LF
    4. John Hamilton CF
    5. Allen Craig, 2B
    6. Yadier Molina, C
    7. David Freese, 3B
    8. Asdrubal Cabrera, SS

    I know it’s not even a possibility to pick up Hamilton, and as a huge Cardinal fan I doubt I’d feel comfortable with the contract he’d want since there is truly a health concern. But my point here is we should shift Craig to 2B and Beltran to 1B (help keep him on the field) and go after an outfielder. Craig has played 2B in the past so he would be qualified to play there.

    • okwhitefalcon - Nov 7, 2012 at 6:11 PM

      I don’t think Allen Craig will ever see 2nd base again, he’s at first for the foreseeable future.

      I like the notion of the Cards being proactive and addressing SS asap, there’s no sense waiting on an injured/declining Furcal or handing the reigns to a youngster they don’t trust ala the ill fated Tyler Greene 2B experiment last year.

    • redbirdfan81 - Nov 7, 2012 at 8:18 PM

      It’s JOSH Hamilton you knucklehead! And this has no chance to, nor would want it to, succeed.

      • chumthumper - Nov 8, 2012 at 7:44 AM

        If they wouldn’t pony up for Pujols, doubt they would for Hamilton and his baggage.

    • forsch31 - Nov 7, 2012 at 9:05 PM

      Um…

      1. You have two CF–Jay/Taveras (the latter of whom has not played above AA and is still working on his fundamentals in the field) and Hamilton.

      2. Craig is not ever playing 2B. He’s played 2B a grand total of 11 times over his *professional* career, certainly not enough to be “qualified” to play there. First base is actually his best defensive position.

      3. Beltran has never played 1B in his 15 seasons and 1835 games.

      Why in the world would you move a first baseman/outfielder (Craig) to a position he’s rarely played to make room for an outfielder (Beltran) who has never played first base so you can go out and get…an outfielder?

  4. okwhitefalcon - Nov 7, 2012 at 6:02 PM

    He’d be a nice addition for sure, it’ll cost them though.

    No idea what the Cards would be willing to give up but it’s safe to say they’ll ask for the moon.

    • okwhitefalcon - Nov 7, 2012 at 6:38 PM

      Listening to quite a bit of STL sided media talk to those who usually have a clue, it seems the Cards would be happy to centerpiece blocked LH hitting 1B prospect Matt Adams in a Cabrera deal while the Indians would be more focused on one of the Cards young arms.

      Hot Stove in full effect.

      • ultimatecardinalwarrior - Nov 7, 2012 at 7:11 PM

        How would you feel about dealing Carlos Martinez? He’s not a for sure prospect, but he has tremendous upside. The Cardinals lineup, already very good, would probably be the best in the league with Cabrera plugging up the SS hole. I think I’d make that trade, but, then again, I’m not a major league GM.

      • paperlions - Nov 7, 2012 at 7:39 PM

        I’d feel fine dealing Martinez. He a ways away and the system is stacked with power arms…..SS that can hit? Not so much. Dealing Adams makes a ton of sense….the dude can mash and despite his size, he’s a decent 1B….it might make more sense to trade Craig, since he would have more value, but that ain’t happening.

      • okwhitefalcon - Nov 7, 2012 at 8:09 PM

        I’d be cool trading Martinez but I don’t know if Mo or Dan Kantrovitz would agree, those 2 light up when talking about him – as they should I suppose.

        The Indians aren’t going to give Cabrera away that’s for sure. It’ll cost the Cards at least one of their arms and more, I’m sure other teams will be banging on The Tribe’s door as well which will only drive up the price.

      • okwhitefalcon - Nov 7, 2012 at 8:36 PM

        More on the Cards bullpen from Derrick Goold in today’s Post Dispatch, good stuff from Motte on the kids:

        http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinals-bullpen-is-up-to-speed/article_d11b9d5d-bc7c-597e-bcd9-2d20c3e639bb.html

      • forsch31 - Nov 7, 2012 at 9:14 PM

        I’d keep Martinez. He’s going to be in AAA next season, and there’s a distinct possibility that he could be better than Miller and Rosenthal.

        Cabera is a very good shortstop at a good age who hits well for his position, but I’d hesitate in giving up an elite pitching prospect for him, especially with Westbrook and Carpenter most likely gone after this coming season and Garcia being a big question mark health-wise. I’d offer a package of players/prospects, which would at least include Matt Adams.

    • okwhitefalcon - Nov 7, 2012 at 9:55 PM

      I think an elite pitching prospect will virtually have to be included to even get the Indians attention, I doubt Cabrera can be had for an Adams/Seth Manness/Sam Freeman type package.

      • paperlions - Nov 7, 2012 at 10:10 PM

        Exactly. You don’t get something by throwing out scraps, no matter how useful they may be…to get something of real value, you are going to have to give up something of value. Adams/Kelly might get their attention…but they would probably ask for more because 1) they are the team with the resource valued by many and 2) teams (including the Cardinals) have more to give than that.

        I think Adams will hit as well as Craig, but he doesn’t have the track record (of course, neither did Craig a year ago)…so Craig’s value is far greater than Adam’s is right now…but that is mostly because he’s just a little safer than Adams, even though Adams has been as good as Craig in the minors while 2 years younger.

      • forsch31 - Nov 7, 2012 at 11:18 PM

        If you were doing an elite pitching prospect, I wouldn’t include Adams. But that proposed package is pretty weak. Maness is a fun prospect to watch, but his viability as a starting pitcher in the majors in debatable, while Freeman’s only real upside is as a LOOGY.

        My guess is that the following players would be in the mix for a package deal:

        St. Louis Roster–Matt Carpenter, Lance Lynn, Joe Kelly
        Matt Carpenter honestly can be a starting third baseman in the league. He’s solid defensively, has great plate discipline, and has exhibited decent power. Despite Lance Lynn’s season, he’s going to be fighting for his rotation spot this spring with Shelby Miller, Trevor Rosenthal, and Kelly, while Kelly is probably the most expendable of the pitching staff.

        Farm System, Position Players–Matt Adams, Greg Garcia, Starlin Rodriquez
        Adams is as close as ready for the majors as you can get, but he’s blocked by Allen Craig. Before his injury, he hit .329 with a .986 OPS and 18 HRs in 67 games in Memphis, and he’s mashed at every level. In any prospect package, he’d be a centerpiece. The Cardinals’ other farm system strength is second basemen. Rodriquez is a 2B who’s been overshadowed a bit by Kolten Wong–he finished the year at Palm Beach (A+) hitting .300 with an .815 OPS in 489 plate appearances at age 22. Garcia is a middle infielder who hit about the same as Wong at Springfield (slightly lower BA, higher OPS); Garcia played short this season, but most see him as a second baseman, where he had played primarily in the St. Louis system before this year.

        Farm System, Pitchers–take your pick: Tyler Lyons, Michael Wacha, John Gast, Tyrell Jenkins, Kevin Seigrist, Richard Castillo
        The thing with Miller/Rosenthal/Martinez in the system is that other pitching prospects have been somewhat forgotten. Lyons and Gast are solid lefthanders who seem to be on the Joe Kelly track in AAA; Wacha is last year’s first round pick who burned through the system as a reliever (to ease his innings load after a long college season) and seems to be on the fastrack; Jenkins is their fourth ace-level prospect, but the riskiest; Seigrist is a No. 2 starter who has been hindered a bit by injury; and Castillo is pretty underrated.

        On Adams v. Craig–Actually, Craig was only one year older than Adams when he turned professional. Craig was 24 when he hit .322 with .921 OPS and 26 HR in 126 games in Memphis, only 1 year older than Adams, who played only 67 games in Memphis in his first AAA season. While Adams has far more HR power, Craig always was the better hitter with a stronger plate approach.

  5. jdd428 - Nov 7, 2012 at 6:04 PM

    1. Jon Jay CF
    2. Carlos Beltran RF
    3. Matt Holliday LF
    4. Allen Craig 1B
    5. Yadier Molina C
    6. David Freese 3B
    7. Asdrubal Cabrera SS
    8. KOLTEN WONG 2B

    I like that best.

    • ultimatecardinalwarrior - Nov 7, 2012 at 7:13 PM

      Taveras gets all of the attention, but I’m almost just as excited for Wong. ALL HE DOES IS HIT.

      • paperlions - Nov 7, 2012 at 7:49 PM

        Wong’s upside is solid 2B, that’s it. At best, he’ll be average defensively. He’s a decent baserunner, but not a burner or particularly good at stealing…and while he makes a lot of solid contact, he doesn’t walk that much or have much power.

        Do I look forward to having Wong at 2B? Of course. But Tavares have perennial MVP candidate talent….there is a reason he gets all the buzz…and is near the top of most prospect lists while Wong is way down if he’s on there at all.

      • okwhitefalcon - Nov 7, 2012 at 7:49 PM

        Taveras is in a different stratosphere than Wong, I’d be happy if he filled the 2nd base revolving door steadily while I suspect Taveras will have the opportunity to be an elite hitter for a decade.

        It’s going to be fun to watch it unfold regardless.

    • hermie13 - Nov 8, 2012 at 2:38 PM

      Maybe its just me but I dont see why the Cards would give up what the Tribe will need to get to move AC when he will hit 7th or 8th in the lineup. He is below average defensively so not getting value there. He would make the Cards better but think there are several teams that can use him more and would give up more…

  6. tashkalucy - Nov 7, 2012 at 6:12 PM

    Under the Dolan’s underfunded ownership and the ineptness of Mark Shapiro and Chris Antonetti, the Indians are in a perpetual state of rebuild. The Indians field an AAAA team every year.

    The Indians have let the other major league teams know that they have 4 big league players ready for sale:

    BATCH A

    Astrubal Cabrara
    Justin Masterson
    Shin-Soo Choo
    Chris Perez

    They basically get 2-1/2 for one, so expect the Indians to get 10, maybe 11, players back. Check back in 3-4 years for the 4 guys that pan out and will be made available for a new batch of young players to develop for the other major league teams.

    The Indians production line is on a 2 year cycle, so check back in late Autumn, 2014 on the status of:

    BATCH B

    Jason Kipnis
    Michael Brantley
    Vinnie Pestano
    Carlos Santana

    Lonnie Chisenhall and long shots like Cody Allen will be made available in the current 4 year cycle commencing in Autumn, 2016, when the successful graduates from the current class they’re assembling (through trading the 4 above listed players – Batch will be available for more prospects – at least half of which will wash out almost immediately as Shapiro and Antonetti have no clue how to evaluate young talent (and a 12 year track record to prove it).

    For those of you putting packages available for graduates in Batch A, you should know that Mark and Chris favor 2 types of players when making trades:

    1. Injured players with high-ceilings.

    They are especially attracted to pitchers that are either sore armed or have on-going shoulder problems, and

    2. Left-handed hitting position players that have no power or speed but walk a lot.

    Lots of strikeouts and/or the inability to hit with RISP are a plus.

  7. Al - Nov 7, 2012 at 6:13 PM

    Given that they acquired Mike Aviles last week, I’d be surprised if the Indians DON’T move Cabrera this offseason.

    • paperlions - Nov 7, 2012 at 7:40 PM

      That is pretty funny….since…you know…Aviles isn’t actually any good.

      • hermie13 - Nov 8, 2012 at 2:34 PM

        Aviles actually wasnt much worse than Cabrera last year (WAR less than a win behind). Better defensively than Cabrera too.

      • paperlions - Nov 8, 2012 at 2:38 PM

        Aviles value was all defensive, and it was easily his best defensive season. At the plate, he’s an out machine. Cabrera’s biggest problem is that he can’t really play SS.

  8. maynardstool - Nov 7, 2012 at 9:20 PM

    I’d give them Adams and Kelly/Rosenthal (hopefully Kelly) Or Martinez straight up. And anyone that would rather give up Craig than Adams is insane.

  9. opshuns - Nov 8, 2012 at 2:53 AM

    Indians don’t do it… If so, think Allen Craig…

  10. maynardstool - Nov 8, 2012 at 7:36 AM

    The cards would be going backwards by including Craig. It was small sample size, but I wasn’t impressed at all with Adams last year. Pujols said before he left town that he thought Craig was on the verge of becoming the next superstar. Looking at his numbers from last year, not even being a full season, and its hard to argue

  11. stlouis1baseball - Nov 8, 2012 at 1:40 PM

    Always been a big Adsdrubal fan. Dude is solid. Can pick it and rake.
    Would like to see the Cardinals get this done…without giving up the farm and/or half the pen of course.
    Don’t know if he can be acquired without parting with some serious talent.

  12. hermie13 - Nov 8, 2012 at 2:34 PM

    Aviles actually wasnt much worse than Cabrera last year (WAR less than a win behind). Better defensively than Cabrera too.

    • hermie13 - Nov 8, 2012 at 2:36 PM

      Ugh. Sorry for double post

  13. rotobrian - Jan 1, 2013 at 3:21 PM

    Doesn’t appear this trade will happen. Cards going to run Kozma out there.

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