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	<title>Comments on: Rangers won&#8217;t give up Elvis Andrus or Jurickson Profar for Justin Upton</title>
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		<title>By: GoneYickitty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GoneYickitty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wut, no Longoria?

cheapskate]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wut, no Longoria?</p>
<p>cheapskate</p>
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		<title>By: GoneYickitty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GoneYickitty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Things that the Diamondbacks absolutely DO NOT need:  C &#124; 1B &#124; 2B &#124; OF &#124; RP &#124; more mediocre SP&#039;s

Things they DO need:  SS &#124; 3B &#124; real SP&#039;s

They&#039;re not going to trade for Kinsler, although he&#039;s a nice player, because that&#039;s not what they need.  They already have one of the top second basemen in the league.  The idea of trading Upton is that they can still be pretty solid in the outfield and they can get better in another position.  They&#039;re not going to get worse in the OF so they can have an extra guy that doesn&#039;t really fit in anywhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things that the Diamondbacks absolutely DO NOT need:  C | 1B | 2B | OF | RP | more mediocre SP&#8217;s</p>
<p>Things they DO need:  SS | 3B | real SP&#8217;s</p>
<p>They&#8217;re not going to trade for Kinsler, although he&#8217;s a nice player, because that&#8217;s not what they need.  They already have one of the top second basemen in the league.  The idea of trading Upton is that they can still be pretty solid in the outfield and they can get better in another position.  They&#8217;re not going to get worse in the OF so they can have an extra guy that doesn&#8217;t really fit in anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: djjackson81</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The bottom line is if the Rangers are Serious on Upton in place of Hamilton then one of the SS are gonna have to be  dealt. Andrus is ideal cause the dbacks don&#039;t care if Andrus leaves in two years they got there SS in the minors just not ready yet. I think the Rays and Indians have a better shot at Upton at this point. Indians Cabrera and Masterson or Shields and Hellickson]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line is if the Rangers are Serious on Upton in place of Hamilton then one of the SS are gonna have to be  dealt. Andrus is ideal cause the dbacks don&#8217;t care if Andrus leaves in two years they got there SS in the minors just not ready yet. I think the Rays and Indians have a better shot at Upton at this point. Indians Cabrera and Masterson or Shields and Hellickson</p>
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		<title>By: bigleagues</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigleagues]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 13:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;jjbelt&lt;/b&gt;: within no earthly criteria is Andrus a &#039;younger more accomplished player than Justin Upton&#039;.

&lt;b&gt;Reflex&lt;/b&gt;: Via my eyes and supported by the metrics - Andrus is above average to very good in the D department - and at 24, likely to continue to improve - not to mention a top of the order caliber hitter with significant playoff experience. And while he&#039;ll probably never be a 30 HR hitter like JUpton, I believe he could develop some additional power in the 10-20 HR range.

Having said all that, I can&#039;t believe the Rangers would trade Profar under too many scenarios, and certainly none that doesn&#039;t involve a Matt Harvey/Matt Barnes level pitching prospect - so the Rangers are likely playing chicken until they get a better idea of how the trade market will shake out. That, or they are making it clear they expect pitching in return for Andrus. OR, they won&#039;t trade either because one or the other is ticketed for the OF.

From an organizational standpoint, it probably makes most sense for the Rangers to hold on to both players. Give Profar the SS job and keep Andrus tucked away in OF in case Profar struggles mightily. If Profar performs well and Andrus is showing that he&#039;s adept at adapting to OF, then win/win. Hamilton has been very streaky - especially this year.

All of those scenarios are likely on the table at this point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>jjbelt</b>: within no earthly criteria is Andrus a &#8216;younger more accomplished player than Justin Upton&#8217;.</p>
<p><b>Reflex</b>: Via my eyes and supported by the metrics &#8211; Andrus is above average to very good in the D department &#8211; and at 24, likely to continue to improve &#8211; not to mention a top of the order caliber hitter with significant playoff experience. And while he&#8217;ll probably never be a 30 HR hitter like JUpton, I believe he could develop some additional power in the 10-20 HR range.</p>
<p>Having said all that, I can&#8217;t believe the Rangers would trade Profar under too many scenarios, and certainly none that doesn&#8217;t involve a Matt Harvey/Matt Barnes level pitching prospect &#8211; so the Rangers are likely playing chicken until they get a better idea of how the trade market will shake out. That, or they are making it clear they expect pitching in return for Andrus. OR, they won&#8217;t trade either because one or the other is ticketed for the OF.</p>
<p>From an organizational standpoint, it probably makes most sense for the Rangers to hold on to both players. Give Profar the SS job and keep Andrus tucked away in OF in case Profar struggles mightily. If Profar performs well and Andrus is showing that he&#8217;s adept at adapting to OF, then win/win. Hamilton has been very streaky &#8211; especially this year.</p>
<p>All of those scenarios are likely on the table at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: purnellmeagrejr</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and throw in Matt Moore to make it completely ridiculous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and throw in Matt Moore to make it completely ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 11:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrus is younger and cheaper, but I don&#039;t think you can call him more accomplished unless you&#039;re talking about the quality of his team. He shouldn&#039;t get any extra points for having good teammates. How do you define &quot;more cerebral&quot;, anyway? That description is worth about as much as the bandwidth used to post it on the internet. 

And to the cheaper point, do you think that he&#039;s going to be cheaper in 2 years? I don&#039;t. Upton signed his contract when the team still had years of control. Andrus is going to be a free agent when he signs his next contract.

I semi-agree with Reflex. Andrus is a below average to average hitter. I think that he has a very good glove, however. If I&#039;m the Rangers I would love to go forward with Profar/Upton because both of those guys are young and very good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrus is younger and cheaper, but I don&#8217;t think you can call him more accomplished unless you&#8217;re talking about the quality of his team. He shouldn&#8217;t get any extra points for having good teammates. How do you define &#8220;more cerebral&#8221;, anyway? That description is worth about as much as the bandwidth used to post it on the internet. </p>
<p>And to the cheaper point, do you think that he&#8217;s going to be cheaper in 2 years? I don&#8217;t. Upton signed his contract when the team still had years of control. Andrus is going to be a free agent when he signs his next contract.</p>
<p>I semi-agree with Reflex. Andrus is a below average to average hitter. I think that he has a very good glove, however. If I&#8217;m the Rangers I would love to go forward with Profar/Upton because both of those guys are young and very good.</p>
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		<title>By: Reflex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reflex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can&#039;t agree. Andrus&#039; defense isn&#039;t that good, and his offense is only mediocre.  Profar is close to ready to step in.  Upton has upside that looks very similar to Hamilton, at a price significantly lower than what he will cost.

Profar/Upton is likely very similar to Andrus/Hamilton over the next few years, but younger and with potentially higher upside.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t agree. Andrus&#8217; defense isn&#8217;t that good, and his offense is only mediocre.  Profar is close to ready to step in.  Upton has upside that looks very similar to Hamilton, at a price significantly lower than what he will cost.</p>
<p>Profar/Upton is likely very similar to Andrus/Hamilton over the next few years, but younger and with potentially higher upside.</p>
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		<title>By: jjbelt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jjbelt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 04:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrus is a younger, more accomplished player at a premium position. Not to mention a much more cerebral player and cheaper as well.  Profar is the number one prospect in baseball. I see no logical reason to move either for Upton.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrus is a younger, more accomplished player at a premium position. Not to mention a much more cerebral player and cheaper as well.  Profar is the number one prospect in baseball. I see no logical reason to move either for Upton.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 02:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If they aren&#039;t going to trade Andrus or Profar I think there is about a 0% chance they are going to get Upton.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they aren&#8217;t going to trade Andrus or Profar I think there is about a 0% chance they are going to get Upton.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 02:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And he&#039;s 30 years old.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And he&#8217;s 30 years old.</p>
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		<title>By: dondada10</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dondada10]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 02:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kinsler makes way too much money for the D-Backs to entertain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kinsler makes way too much money for the D-Backs to entertain.</p>
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		<title>By: ronswansonsdinner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ronswansonsdinner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 01:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Upton to the Rays for Shields, Hellickson and Matt Joyce. BJ signs qualifying contract to play with his bro for the year. Okay, I&#039;ll put the Jack Daniels down now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upton to the Rays for Shields, Hellickson and Matt Joyce. BJ signs qualifying contract to play with his bro for the year. Okay, I&#8217;ll put the Jack Daniels down now.</p>
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		<title>By: spytdi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spytdi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 01:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hopefully it&#039;s Kinsler and Olt vice Profar or Andrus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully it&#8217;s Kinsler and Olt vice Profar or Andrus.</p>
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		<title>By: billymc75</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[billymc75]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 01:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Duh]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duh</p>
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