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Red Sox tried and failed to land Jose Reyes and Josh Johnson

Nov 14, 2012, 6:03 PM EDT

Ben Cherington AP

The Red Sox were negotiating with the Marlins on a deal that would have sent Jose Reyes and Josh Johnson to Boston before the Jays pulled off the trade that also netted them Mark Buehrle, Emilio Bonifacio and John Buck.

Red Sox owner John Henry told Jon Heyman of CBS Sports that even though the sides were talking, he had no idea “the whole team was available.”

Acquiring Reyes and Johnson would have been a return to old form for a Boston team that traded Adrian Gonzalez, Carl Crawford and Josh Beckett to the Dodgers in August. It would have added about $24 million to the team’s 2013 payroll, minus any major leaguers that went to Miami in return.

The Red Sox, though, were probably looking at it as though the Marlins would be open to a straight salary dump. The Blue Jays not only took Buehrle’s contract along with the other two, but they sent back three quality prospects in return.

Boston GM Ben Cherington might not be done with the Marlins just yet, though. The Red Sox would be smart to explore a Logan Morrison trade with first base open. They should also be prepared to blow up the minor league system for Giancarlo Stanton if the Marlins have a change of heart and make him available. Finally, they’re one of the teams that could consider Ricky Nolasco and his soon-to-be traded $11.5 million contract, though it seems doubtful they’ll be very aggressive there.

  1. proudlycanadian - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:14 PM

    I do not feel sorry for the Red Sox. It is their fault that they do not have enough quality prospects that they can afford to trade some. The Jays did give up some decent prospects, yet they still have a very good farm system.

    • proudlycanadian - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:47 PM

      Did I mention that the Red Sox are also poor losers?

    • xavier46 - Nov 14, 2012 at 8:43 PM

      My, my, Jays fans are coming out of the woodwork… You are the only one who regularly posts here.

      It would be negligent not mention that everyone ripping the Sox right now for not making this trade would be ripping them if they did do the deal!

      Toronto should be good, but this window will be short. All these deals are backloaded.

      Good luck.

      • Mark - Nov 14, 2012 at 10:28 PM

        The Jays added a ton of $$, but it’s worth pointing out that they don’t really have any other long term commitments. The only other players making more than 10M are Bautista (until 2015/2016) and EE (even then, not until 2015).

        And while Reyes/Beuhrle go up they’ll lose dead weight like Buck (6M) and Lind (5M). They’ll have to replace those spots, but neither guy is producing and they can use that money on players who will help them (or to account for part of the increased contracts).

        The Jays are one of the few teams built to handle these contracts. And I doubt they’re done yet.

      • xavier46 - Nov 15, 2012 at 2:58 AM

        How are the Jays “build to handle these contracts”?

        The Marlins shipped up $163.75M in contracts.
        Bautista is at $14M through 2015 with 2016 a $14M option
        Buehrle is at $11M, $18M, $19M through 2015
        Reyes is at $10M, $16M, and then $22M through 2017 with 2018 option
        Johnson is at $13.75M and then FA
        Buck is $6M
        EE is $8M, $9M, $10M through 2015
        Romero is $7.5M through 2015
        Morrow is $8M through 2014

        The Jays had a payroll of $75M in 2012. They have NEVER had a payroll above $100M. They Already have $80.5 committed in 2015! If they sign Johnson, he will command over $20M/yr, we’re over $100 now. Rasmus is FA in 2015, Janssen FA in 2014.

        Who are they signing now? There’s not much room to fit them in on more than a 1 or 2 year deal. Who and how are they signing in 2014/2015 when they are loaded with expensive old players? Letting Josh Johnson walk?

        If I’m a Jays fan I’m excited for the 2013 and 2014 seasons, then, unless they run into a ton of money, that window is shut and they are hamstrung by this deal.

        Again, good luck.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Nov 15, 2012 at 12:28 AM

      “It is their fault that they do not have enough quality prospects that they can afford to trade some.”

      That might have something to do with the fact they traded a bunch of good ones in a blockbuster that didn’t work out so well plus the fact that lots of their prospects, you know, make it to the MLB. I’m sure including Middlebrooks would have made the Sox’s offer more attractive but they sort of need him to start at 3B next year. Not to mention that all the solid finishes they’ve had until recently make it difficult to draft the top prospects.

      You routinely make me embarrassed to be from the same country as you.

      • proudlycanadian - Nov 15, 2012 at 6:40 AM

        My condolences.

  2. Old Gator - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:15 PM

    I don’t think the Beanbags had a Yunel Escobar of whom they were so anxious to rid themselves that they’d swallow Black Hole Buck in return. The Jays and the Feesh matched up very well along the need-need faultline. The Jays wanted back into credibility; the Feesh wanted out from under their overhead.

  3. richyballgame - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:15 PM

    Personally,for Giancarlo,prospects won’t be completely necessary for him… You look at the Mets,and see Jon Neise. He’s a good,young lefty signed to a very team friendly deal,and the Mets lack a good,power hitting outfielder. They will trade Neise,Justin Turner and probably Jeurys Familia for him.

    • proudlycanadian - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:21 PM

      What do you have against Neise that you want him on the Marlins?

    • dondada10 - Nov 14, 2012 at 7:01 PM

      I’m the Mets fan that had R.A. Dickey traded for Jurikson Profar, and that trade proposal is ridiculous.

      • thebadguyswon - Nov 14, 2012 at 9:58 PM

        Yeah really…another Mets fan laughing at that “offer”.

  4. jaysjunkie - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:20 PM

    Suck it, Red Sox.

    • thebadguyswon - Nov 14, 2012 at 8:04 PM

      Man are the Sox gonna suck next year. It should be glorious!

  5. edelmanfanclub - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:20 PM

    Logan Morrison isn’t a bad fit if he can be had for a relatively small price. We could go with a platoon of Morrison and Sands at 1st (That is if we can’t land Napoli, LaRoche, or someone like Hosmer/Davis).

    • banksatdixie - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:27 PM

      Mr Cherington? Is that you?

      What in the name of a Ted Williams popcicle would make you think you could get someone like Hosmer right now?

      • edelmanfanclub - Nov 15, 2012 at 3:30 AM

        Well considering I some SOMEONE LIKE Hosmer/Davis I meant a young 1st baseman. Would you like me to list every single one possible?

      • seeingwhatsticks - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:05 AM

        Red Sox and Yankee fans always think they can land the best player from smaller market teams for mid level prospects because, in their mind, everyone else exists solely to help them succeed. Setting aside Hosmer for a second, why would ANYONE trade a young, cheap, slugging 1B? The only reason would be if the return was something like the top SP prospect in baseball, plus a highly ranked position player that would fill an organizational weakness and maybe another solid prospect. Teams don’t just give away proven and inexpensive talent for anything less than a franchise altering return. Can the Red Sox (or Yankees for that matter) put together a package that even approaches something like that?

  6. uyf1950 - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:26 PM

    It’s beginning to look like the 2011 off season all over again for the Red Sox. None of the Players they are interested in, looking at or on their radar are interested in them.

  7. atwatercrushesokoye - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:42 PM

    So not only did we get the trade they wanted but they also took our not really that good manager off our hands? The Blue Jays are killing the Red Sox this offseason!

    • uyf1950 - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:46 PM

      They also killed the Red Sox during the season taking 11 of the 18 games they played.

      • Caught Looking - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:59 PM

        Which is the only reason they managed a fourth place finish.

  8. prosourcetalk - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:48 PM

    The Red Sox have no idea what they’re doing right now

    • proudlycanadian - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:52 PM

      They have “checked in” on everyone and have been able to sign a backup catcher, so the off season is not a total loss so far. Given the amount of chatter coming from Boston, they will have to go out and sign somebody.

    • thebadguyswon - Nov 14, 2012 at 8:05 PM

      No they don’t. It will be a riot when Baby Ben gets the rage of Red Sox Nation turned on him next year.

  9. jaybird22seven - Nov 14, 2012 at 7:15 PM

    You got Farrell be happy with that Boston!!! Hahaaa. Suck it bosox !!!

  10. rjostewart - Nov 14, 2012 at 7:33 PM

    In fairness to the Red Sox, the Marlins apparently asked for Bogaerts and Middlebrooks for Reyes and Johnson; would have been a terrible deal for Boston.

    • proudlycanadian - Nov 15, 2012 at 7:15 AM

      In fairness to the Marlins, that was a very reasonable request. Reyes and Johnson have been All Stars and are much better ML players than Bogaerts and Middlebrooks. Unfortunately for the Red Sox, they do not have enough decent prospects to surrender without completely depleting the farm.

      • xavier46 - Nov 15, 2012 at 7:32 AM

        Bogaerts and Middlebrooks with a couple average prospects is better than what the Marlins got from the Jays.

        This much we know.

      • proudlycanadian - Nov 15, 2012 at 8:26 AM

        Bogaerts and Middlebrooks couldn’t carry Reyes Jock strap.

      • corman23 - Nov 15, 2012 at 1:15 PM

        Shows how smart you are. Bogaerts isn’t in the majors yet, and Middlebrooks hasn’t had a full season yet. Stick to hockey pal.

  11. canadabaseball - Nov 14, 2012 at 7:43 PM

    Bo Sox are going threw what Toronto did when the got ride or rios wells and halladay have fun the next 4-5 years Boston

    • thebadguyswon - Nov 14, 2012 at 8:07 PM

      The rest of MLB will be reveling in their misery.

  12. themagicfanguy - Nov 14, 2012 at 9:08 PM

    Love it. All the Sox haters come out.

    Personally this makes me happy, this was the type of move the Sox would have made a season or two ago and look where that got us…
    We need to focus on beefing up the farm, developing our prospects, and maybe picking up some low risk/high reward starting pitching.

    • thebadguyswon - Nov 14, 2012 at 10:02 PM

      Sox haters have been around a long time my man.

  13. sidelineshot - Nov 14, 2012 at 9:37 PM

    Stick with the plan Ben Cherrington.
    Josh Johnson would have been a good fit. But if Reyes was a free agent? Would you pay him 19-20 million per year? … probably not.

  14. tfbuckfutter - Nov 14, 2012 at 9:44 PM

    The reason the Sox missed out was because they didn’t know Emilio Bonifacio was also available.

    Because if there is an outfielder who can’t hit for power, they are going to be on him like Garfield on lasagna.

    In fact, that is probably what happened….they called about Emilio and the Marlins said “For the same price you can have Johnson and Reyes too” and they said “NO!”

  15. xpensivewinos - Nov 14, 2012 at 10:36 PM

    These deals are never quite what they seem. Just hang tight, because when it blows up in Toronto’s face and they have all those backloaded contracts, they’ll be begging people to take these guys.

    Remember how the Dodgers had the NL West locked up after getting Adrian & Beckett? Cherington got LA to actually take Crawford’s contract too. MLB should be drug testing the Dodgers owners and front office.

    That maneuver alone buys Cherington the benefit of the doubt for a little while.

    Slow and steady wins the race…….

  16. doublezero74 - Nov 14, 2012 at 10:40 PM

    Blue Jays are also rans. Always will be. Good luck with that trade when reyes and JJ leave after one year and John buck calcifies in mid season.

    • purnellmeagrejr - Nov 15, 2012 at 8:12 AM

      disagreee – the Jays made themselves a much bettter team. If Josh Johnson reverts to his old form loook for them to overtake the Yanks.

  17. trevorb06 - Nov 15, 2012 at 9:55 AM

    As much as I don’t like the Red Sox (but hate the Yankees even more) I would love it if they somehow netted Stanton. Not necessarily because I want him on Boston but more so because I’d love to read about the shit-storm that would erupt in Miami if he is traded. Maybe the Marlins are going for the lowest payroll in baseball since the 60′s. Fight the man, Miami! You show them!

  18. thomas2727 - Nov 15, 2012 at 10:50 AM

    I am confused.

    The Red Sox dumped an overpaid speed guy and yet less than four months later were trying to get another overpaid speed guy?

    They dumped an ageing overpriced underachieving starting pitcher named Josh only to try to get another ageing under performing starting pitcher named Josh.

    Have fun watching this circus unfold the next few years Red Sox fans.

  19. willclarkgameface - Nov 15, 2012 at 11:33 AM

    With all the new comments and reaction coming from Yawkey Way, it makes the bumbling idiots in Boston look even more bumbling and idiotic.

    They want to position themselves as the organization that was completely blindsided by this deal and that they didn’t realize that everyone was available.

    WHA WHA WHAT?!?!?!?!?!

    Didn’t these dopes in Boston just do a deal with Los Angeles where they made EVERYONE AVAILABLE?

    They get me crazy and it’s not even Ben’s fault. It’s not Larry. It’s John Henry. That guy just should not be running a baseball franchise. And I know he’ll look you square in the face and tell you that Lucchino runs the Red Sox, but he OWNS the team. HE is the one that has to take responsibility when players are available (or not) and they don’t get them when they really want to get them.

    EVERYONE is available and they know that.

    They, much like the Red Sox teams of the 1950s and 1960s, look old, uninformed, slow and uncompetitive.

    Hello last place in 2013 say the Red Sox!

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