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Won’t someone think of Mark Buehrle’s pit bulls?

Nov 14, 2012, 5:42 PM EDT

Pit Bull

I’m a lot more sympathetic to the Miami Marlins fans out there than I am to the players who got traded — hey, that’s baseball, even if it’s unexpected in the case of the Marlins-Blue Jays trade. But it’s not as if the players don’t have some amount of hardship here too. JJ Stankevitz of CSNChicago.com flags one:

From a personal standpoint, there’s already one problem with Buehrle being shipped to Toronto … Ontario doesn’t allow pit bulls, and Buehrle and his family own a two-year-old of which they’re fond. There was an easy solution to getting around the Dade County (where Miami is located) ban on pit bulls — move to Broward county, just north of Miami.

I’m sure he’ll figure out what to do with the dog. And the higher tax bracket and all of that.  But it is the kind of annoyance that players don’t like to deal with. And don’t think they have to deal with less than a year after signing a long-term deal someplace.

 

  1. xsturmin8 - Nov 14, 2012 at 5:50 PM

    Maybe he can bring some much needed attention to the ridiculousness of these “breed”-specific bans (never mind that pit-bull isn’t a recognized breed). I don’t know what Ontario’s law looks like, but several jurisdictions ban any dog that “looks sufficiently like a pit bull”.

    I own a pit-bull mix and will soon have to move because of one of these bans. I have seen plenty of poorly raised pitbulls, but I’ve also seen poorly raised poodles, and I think I’ve yet to see a well raised puggle.

    Responsible pet owners should not be discriminated against for adopting dogs that are stereotyped as innately evil, and I hope Buehrle fights for his rights on this one.

    • jaysjunkie - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:00 PM

      Yeah, except a poorly raised poodle is a helluva lot less dangerous than a poorly raised pit bull. I once worked with someone whose kid was mauled by a neighbour’s pit bull and the attack just completely fu*ked up the whole family’s lives. There’s more than a few things my provincial government does that I don’t like – this pit bull ban isn’t one of them.

      • mkd - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:25 PM

        That families life would have been fu*ked over no matter what as long as the dog in question was sufficiently large enough. Pit bull bans are the result of a perceptual-meme that has taken root in the media in the last decade or so. Pit bull mauls child = news story. Large poodle mauls child = no story. Because one fits a perceived pattern that will generate controversial buzz while the latter will be passed over as literally an unremarkable “dog bits man” story. It doesn’t matter that statistically pit bulls are actually pretty far down the list of dog-attack incidents in the US. Nor does it matter that the damage they do when they attack is neither greater nor worse than an attack by any other large breed dog. Because pit bulls are dangerous! That’s why we selectively highlight the times they do dangerous things while ignoring similar incidents by other breeds!

        Thanks Craig for just pointing out that Buehrle is about to deal with a tough decision.

      • koufaxmitzvah - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:53 PM

        There’s good and bad with everything in life. A mauled child is a terrible situation, but not every pit bull mauls a child, and not every child mauled was attacked by a pit bull.

        Breed Specific laws are BS.

    • geoknows - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:02 PM

      I agree that the laws are extremely vague. Sometimes they simply ban dogs that are “pit bull type.” Some do name specifc breeds, often targeting American Staffordshire Terriers, a well-established AKC-recognized breed that looks an awful lot like a dog that could be called a pit bull but isn’t.

      Personally, I own a dog that’s purportedly part pit bull, but looks nothing at all like a pit bull. As long as I keep my mouth shut I wouldn’t run afoul of anybody’s law.

    • Old Gator - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:10 PM

      Nonsense – these dogs are genetically programmed to fight; the breed was created for it. I own five dogs, all rescued, and made a point of voting to uphold the ban The “pit” in pit bull doesn’t refer to an infrared sensing organ on their upper lip. It refers to the arenas in which they were bred – you know, deliberately selected genetically over umpteen generations – to fight. If they don’t, it’s only because training to repress their innate instincts may be effective – for a while.Despite training and nurture they still snap much too often. Despite a well-organized campaign of statistical misrepresentation (probably by the same idiots that keep coming up with Orwellian reasons not to get polio, measels or typhus vaccinated) that would have nauseated Mark Twain, police and animal control statistics from all around the country consistently show that pit bulls are many, many times more likely to stage unprovoked attacks on people – and that their particular configuration of jaw musculature and dentition inflict especially disfiguring and vicious wounds. No “breed” is worth a mauled child, or anyone else for that matter. You want something that behaves like a ptibull, go clone a velociraptor.

      Anyway, I hear that Michael Vick is looking for a dog.

      • js20011041 - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:20 PM

        You realize that a hundred years ago, pitbulls were the common family dog, right? A dog is only as dangerous as it’s trained to be. The only difference between a pitbull and another dog is that, if trained to be aggressive, a pitbull can inflict more damage than another dog.

      • brewcitybummer - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:22 PM

        I agree with Gator. Selective breeding is often so focused on a single trait that the expression of that trait becomes freakish. My family has had four English Setters and I’m comfortable calling them all genetic freaks. The difference is between them and Pit Bull type dogs is that an English Setter’s freakishness is expressed by an obsession with making birds fly up in the air.

      • bigharold - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:26 PM

        Gator, the problem with that is that there are a lot Pits already out there so what’s the answer? Put them all down? And even if that was possible what next. Take the dog that is now second on the list and start compiling stats on them to see if they should be next?

        I get it, Pits have far more potential to do damage, my brother owns one who wouldn’t deliberately hurt any being. Nevertheless, I did see the damage he inflicted on my brothers thumb just playing. But, that still doesn’t mean that an entire breed of dog should be banned. Rather owners should be held responsible to secure their dogs and accountable if there is an incident.

      • cur68 - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:38 PM

        I happen to agree, Gator. Dog breeding for fighting has been going on for a very long time. By now certain breeds and combination of breeds are close to insane for fighting. Its relatively easy to evaluate a puppy for the traits you want. I would guess that few breeds fail that puppy evaluation more often than the ones that have been interbred for fighting. Add the point that paperlions raises below, that damage from a fighting dog is worse than damage from a poodle or the like. The fighting breeds attack and hold on while grinding their jaws. Their wounds are devastating. Combine that with a propensity to attack unexpectedly and it’s a disaster.

        Nevertheless many of the pit bull types are unexpectedly good therapy dogs. These are the ones that were frequently destroyed by the fighting dog breeder. As puppies they exhibit a high pain tolerance, patience and calmness. They tend to have very steady moods. Being around one is very soothing. The funny thing is that you can’t tell the two kinds apart just by looking at them. The likelihood that the massively built pit bull looking dog is friendly vs psycho crazy is tricky math. You only have to be wrong about a dog once to have a lifetime of regret.

        It is my opinion that such dogs are best left to experts and responsible people who are certified to evaluate and own them. One macho asshole with a pit bull he has for vanity’s sake can cause catastrophic harm.

      • js20011041 - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:41 PM

        I also want to respond to Gator’s comment “no breed is worth a mauled child.”

        Children have been the victims of far worse than a mauling. Care to guess what “breed” the perpetrator was? If this is your argument, then let’s just take it to it’s logical conclusion and ban all human to human contact.

      • mkd - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:44 PM

        Approximately 92% of fatal dog attacks involved male dogs. Hope none of your dogs are boys because I’m trying to get a law passed that says we ought to ban male dogs. What’s that? You’re male dogs aren’t dangerous? Tell that to the little girl who was mauled by a male dog. No male dog is worth a mauled child, or anyone else for that matter.

        http://www.americanhumane.org/animals/stop-animal-abuse/fact-sheets/dog-bites.html

      • koufaxmitzvah - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:56 PM

        I may not feel comfortable around all pit bulls I come across, but that’s no reason for a discriminatory breed specific ban.

      • Just a Fan - Nov 14, 2012 at 7:58 PM

        Wow Old Gator….normally I would side with you. Not today. I’m sure why you think you know so much about the Breed, but remain very ignorant. All dogs are programmed to fight other dogs. It’s called establishing pack order. Or protecting territory or food. Baiting and training a dog to maul other dogs is a human trait not a dogs. Animals aren’t capable of rationale thinking. Some humans are not either……..

        Funny how the Cracker Jack dog never mauled the kid posing with him. Or none of the Little Rascals were attacked during years of filming. How about the US Army using Pit Bulls in WWW1 and WWW2 because the were dependable and loyal?

        Amazing that all these years of evolution and mankind still abuses it’s power over nature. I wish there were a ban on Ignorant people breeding. That Breed is way more dangerous then any animal could be.
        Maybe you should give Michael Vick one of YOUR dogs, at least he has been educated about them, unlike you.

      • Old Gator - Nov 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM

        Just a fan: I’ve been deeply involved with animal rescue organizations for nearly all of my adult life. I’ve mostly dealt with dogs but have also dealt with cats, including captive raised “big cats,” domesticated coyotes and wolf mixes, as well as raccoons, possums, skunks, kinkajous, you name it. I used to volunteer to sit on panels evaluating whether rescued abused dogs had been so programmed for viciousness by cruelty, neglect or deliberate training that they needed to be euthanized, It’s tough, sometimes heart-wringing duty and after a total of several years I just had to quit. I’ve just been actively involved campaigning for a nonbinding resolution to set up a pet trust here in good ole Macondo to expand no-kill shelters and put an end to mass euthanization of unadopted strays. It passed, by a substantial majority, in the same year when the county voted by another substantial majority to keep its pitbull ban. As I mentioned above, we have five dogs, all rescued, of our own.

        in other words, I’ve had many many years of working with animals, with shelters, and when necessary with law enforcement on issues involving stray or feral animals. Yes, some breeds who were precursors to modern pit bulls were “originally” bred for hunting – which, you might want to consider, merely contributed selectively to their aggressive tendencies. However, there have been so many generations of these animals bred especially for fighting that their genetic makeup is spread widely throughout the breed population and related breeds. It’s true that there are “gentle” individuals – even fighting breeders occasionally wind up with them, and then, as in the horrible case of Michael Vick, they’ve usually killed the less aggressive ones to keep their money strains “pure.”

        One of the problems is, even the “gentle” ones have violent triggers we just don’t really understand. A dog that’s been a family pet for years suddenly, “for no reason” (ie, for reasons we don’t know) turns on a family member, a neighbor’s dog, a neighbor. It’s gotten bad enough so that many municipalities have revoked scienter, the so-called “first bite credit,” for certain breeds or mixes. You can argue all you want but the more you look at statistics, the more conclusive the problem becomes. The argument that pitbulls “aren’t a breed” is one of the sleight-of-hand approaches that propagandists against “breed specific” laws (as if these were comparable to apartheid or voting rights violations, which is assinine) use to try to discredit the acute statistical skew in pitbull-related attacks. You know – oh, that dog wasn’t really a pitbull so you shouldn’t include it in your calculations. That’s pernicious and misleading.

        As far as what to do with the breed – neuter them and stop breeding them, and let them die off in the natural order of events – but don’t take your eyes off them in the meantime.

      • mkd - Nov 15, 2012 at 12:19 AM

        Except for the fact that as much as pit bulls were selectively bred to be “fighting” dogs, they were also selectively bred to NOT ATTACK people. When a pit bull attacked a person it was immediately put down because you can’t just have crazy man-attacking animals going after their handlers all the time. So to the extent that breeding plays a role in all of this, it is to make a pit bull very docile toward people- THAT is their natural instinct- as any owner of a pit bull will tell you. It takes a lot of neglect and abuse to turn a pit bull against humans. It’s not easy, but it can be done.

        And before you give me the whole “well that makes them doubly dangerous because they’ll attack other dogs.” As I’m sure your years of experience have taught you, dog-aggressiveness cuts across all breeds-places-times. Some dogs are aggressive towards other dogs. Some aren’t. There is practically no rhyme or reason to it. Our neighbor’s Jack Russel Terrier was crazy dog-aggressive. Got through the fence and damn near tore my dogs ear off. You know what she did? She lay down and tried to submit but the little rat just kept going after her. Are we banning Jack Russel Terriers now?

        As to the argument that pit bulls have some secret “random trigger” buried in their genes that could go off at any moment. Bullcrap. I would believe you if you said that all dogs can potentially snap. Because that is unfortunately true. But to say that pits are genetically predisposed to this random trigger? You’re just taking a fear and calling it a fact. Stop doing that.

      • Just a Fan - Nov 15, 2012 at 8:52 AM

        More nonsense from Old Gator…………

        I to have have been in Amimal Rescue for years. Hands on, holding dying animals in my hands. Most of them from the hands of humans. Humans are more a threat to animals, then an animal ever could be. An animal doesn’t kill for fun, it doesn’t attack for fun and it doesn’t see much more then basic instincts for survival.

        As far as your point that certin dogs are breed for hunting…..all dogs are breed for hunting. That’s how the find food and eat. If you do not want that risk in your home, do not invite a fellow Carnivore to live with you.

        As far as your “First bite” comment….An animals defense reaction is to flee. ALL animals, Lions, Cobras, Scorpions, even fluffy and rover. In the can not flee, the are forced to defend themselves. A dogs first instinct is to growl and/or bark. This is a warning to others that “if you do not give me my space, I will take it myself”. In the animal kingdom this is respected, unless the intention of the aggressor is to kill at eat the other. Humans don not respect this warning. The end result is usually and attack. But, the attack is done in defense, not just because their Great-Grandfather Doggy taught them to hunt humans.

        Your comment on of breed extinction is very sad…..Close to 50,000 species die off every year. Every year! This is caused directly or indirectly by humans. Hippos, lions, Sharks, Snakes, Bees, mosquitoes and many other species attack and sometimes kill humans. Are we supposed to eradicate every threat to mankind.Humans are the most violent species on Earth. We rose to the top, because of it. So it comes as no surprise to me that the answer, would be”let them die off”.

        Just remember my friend, when the shit hits the fan. Your dog will have your back, but will you have his?

      • bigleagues - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:03 PM

        Old Gator,

        As a former academic, I am shocked to see you take such a reactionary, incomplete and sadly ignorant view of ‘pit bulls’.

        While its true they were bred for fighting, they were bred in a manner that selected traits that greatly favored humans and dis-favored their own kind. And the reason why? Because their handlers would be in the ‘pit’ with them when they were fighting. The handlers needed to be able to reach and pull the dogs off one another without fear of being bit.

        The fact is, for all their potential viciousness against other dogs, there isn’t a friendlier more well tempered breed when it comes to people, and in particular kids.

        Also, I used to think very similar to you about pit bulls . . . before I rescued one from a shelter and she has been with me virtually everyday for the last 12 years and never once has she even snarled at a child. In fact, she and every other pit bull I’ve come to know since visibly become smitten and gentle in the presence of kids.

        Having said that, they are extremely athletic dogs who, especially when they are young, need a ton of attention and activity. And not everyone makes a good pit bull owner. Not the least of which are the people that think they make good watch dogs. They don’t, unless they are conditioned to be angry and aggressive toward people. They aren’t born angry and aggressive toward people. They are trained and conditioned to be that way.

        But ANY dog is capable of being trained and conditioned that way. And other breeds do far more people biting and maiming than pit bulls do. It’s just the name sounds intimidating, and drug dealers like to train them to be aggressive to people, and bad owners leave them on chains outside in inhumane conditions and, well, when one of those mistreated dogs snap, the media LOVES to sensationalize and distort the image of an otherwise wonderful breed in the name of increased viewership or readers.

        The statistics you claim exist are typically commissioned by ambulance chasing law firms who specialize in dog bite cases. The fact is there is absolutely no standardization of dog bite reporting or statistical reporting. Every municipality, every county and every state do it differently.

        And worse there are at least a dozen breeds that are often confused with American Staffordshire Terriers and American Pit Bull Terriers – the two most common pit bull breeds in the US. And that confusion extends to the Cop writing the report and even the animal control officer.

        The fact is ‘pit bulls’ have been demonized via gross misreporting and sensationalization by the media – the same way Dobermans and German Shepherds once were.

        Prior to the rise of gangsta rap, and its association with inner city drug dealing and pit bull ownership, we NEVER heard about pit bull attacks with anywhere near the frequency we have over the last 15 years. It was almost always Dobermans and German Shepherds – and we never hear anything about dog bites/attacks from those two breeds anymore. What happened? A genetic mutation that put an end to all biting by those two breeds? Uh no. People don’t care when they hear a German Shepherd bit or attacked someone. But they cower in fear by the mere mention of the sinister sounding “PIT BULL”.

        Remember the Goonies?

        Yeah, well pit bulls are essentially the “Sloth Fratelli” of dogs.

    • paperlions - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:12 PM

      The problem is that some breeds are far more dangerous than others. Comparing the threat represented by a poorly socialized pit bull (which ever breed) to the threat represented by a poorly socialized puggle is like comparing the threat of someone recklessly pointing a shotgun at you to the threat of someone recklessly pointing a screw driver at you. Some dogs have the tools and disposition to do a lot of damage if they are not properly raised and socialized….and like it or not, a lot of people that are horrible dog owners are drawn to dogs that can be dangerous if poorly raised/socialized.

      If you want to blame someone, blame the people that raised the dogs responsible for attacks on people and their pets, not the laws designed to protect people from irresponsible dog owners.

      • js20011041 - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:48 PM

        There are other ways to prevent dog attacks rather than banning an entire breed. For instance, we could spend less time fighting such scourges as marijuana use and prostitution and spend a little more time cracking down on dog fighting. We could also try and educate the public as how to NOT train a dog. Ultimately, the most effective means may be to give stiff penalties to owners that have not only trained these dogs to be ultra aggressive, but also are careless with controlling them.

      • paperlions - Nov 14, 2012 at 7:43 PM

        Yes, the problem is that the breed requires better than average dog owners and STILL will be prone to aggression and problems….and on average the type of person that chooses to get pit bulls are far below average dog owners, often horribly neglectful of the breed’s needs.

        Yes, there are alternatives…but those alternatives would require a lot more effort on everyone’s part….and that simply isn’t happening. No one is going to work on a case-by-case basis with pit bull owners to consider how dangerous the dog will be in their care.

        ….and give me a break with the dismissal of the pit bull meme thing. There are only a few breeds that account for the vast majority of serious maulings/attacks of people and pets…and pit bull breeds are at the top of the list by far, followed by rotties.

        Pit bulls and rotties represented 3.6% of the US dog population over the last 30 years and are responsible for 80% of dog attacks resulting in bodily harm. Facts dismiss your wishful thinking.

      • js20011041 - Nov 14, 2012 at 10:12 PM

        paperlions, pit bulls are also far, far more numerous than are other types of “aggressive” dogs. Of course more total attacks are going to be pit bull related. But, if you look, pit bulls are proportionally less likely to attack than are both rottweillers or german shepherds. Studies have also shown that pit bulls are less aggressive towards humans than many other breeds.

        An interesting fact I found on a website.

        According to studies by the CDC, a person is more likely to be killed…

        – by a family member
        – by a falling coconut
        – in a bedroom slipper-related accident
        – choking on a marble
        – drowning in a 5-gallon bucket
        – getting struck by lightning

        …than by a pit bull.

      • paperlions - Nov 15, 2012 at 8:15 AM

        Pitt bulls attack other people pets far more than they attack people, killing 1000s of dogs/years.

        Are you also going to contend that falling coconuts, slippers, marbles, 5-gallon buckets, and lightning are more likely to rip a family pets throat out?

  2. natslady - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:06 PM

    Is that what a pit-bull looks like? I had a different impression.

    • mmason0071 - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:18 PM

      The pit in the picture is a fairly young puppy, so of course he is really cute. Adults are cute too, and very photogenic because of their big heads.

      By the way, just because Buerhle will play for Toronto does not mean he has to live there.

      • Just a Fan - Nov 14, 2012 at 8:07 PM

        If I were him I would refuse to live in any city that discriminates. Especially one that has “loonies” for money and “loonies” making laws!

  3. roverkarlthecannedham - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:09 PM

    I have a large breed “pit bull” looking dog. A doggo argentino. I put up with a lot of this nonsense too. My dog, Republican Stooge, is a rescue from a dog fighting organization. Even the other “pit bulls” from that group were not inherently bad dogs. One or two were crazy, sure. Many needed and got good homes. Stooge and the rest of the doggo litter all found homes. I resent deeply that he is judged on his looks. I feel for Mr. Buehrle here. If his dog is like mine, a large gentle soul with the disposition of buddha, the affection for women of Don Juan, and the social grace of a kindly elephant, then to have to give up such a companion and friend is more than a trivial problem or annoyance. Of all the living beings in my life not one has shown me as much as a tenth of loyalty as Stooge. I hope Mr. Buehrle can find a way to keep his friend with him.

    • yahmule - Nov 14, 2012 at 9:37 PM

      The Dogo Argentino is a magnificent animal. I love your description of your loyal friend.

  4. husky2score - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:11 PM

    Another reason why the Miami Marlins front office and Loria absolutely suck at business.

  5. kkolchak - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:13 PM

    Sorry, Mark. Maybe next time you’ll take a few less dollars to NOT sign with a scumbag like Loria and get yourself a no-trade clause.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Nov 14, 2012 at 7:51 PM

      Doesn’t Buerhle have 10/5 rights, so he wouldn’t need a NTC.

      • Kevin S. - Nov 14, 2012 at 9:42 PM

        How can Buerhle have 10/5 rights when he just changed teams last winter?

  6. joerymi - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:13 PM

    Canada banning something? Shocking…

  7. bjbeliever - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:19 PM

    Pitbulls aren’t banned, they just have to be muzzled and neutered, No need to stop the packing Buehrle!
    Shitty law though still, just a big waste of tax payer dollars on much-a-do about nothing.

  8. paredskinwarrior1985 - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:53 PM

    wow some people are total morons!!! pit bulls were not bred specifically for fighting!!!!! anyone that thinks that is just.a wuss that knows nothing!!!
    pits bulls were bred as hunting and working dogs!! They were bred to hunt big cats as well as packs of wolves!!!!!
    I own 8 pit bulls and American bulldog(pit mixed with bulldog, a lot bigger than a pit gets) and not one shows any signs to fight and are the most loving nicest dogs!!! they are gentle with babies!!!
    so some ppl Are serious close minded and stupid!!!

    • cur68 - Nov 14, 2012 at 7:12 PM

      Easy with the blanket statements there, bubba. And I don’t think you got any call to throwing out the moron word at others. There are plenty of reasonable people on here who judge dogs on individual merits rather than as a breed. You need to accept that not everyone raises their dog as a good companion nor do they know how to judge temperament in a pup. Some people deliberately select unstable personality traits in dogs then interbreed them. If you really have as many of the breed as you claim you’ll know exactly what I mean about “selecting unstable personality traits”. You could very well be the other sort of dog owner: someone who’s careful with what you bring home and how you treat them. If you are as experienced as you say, you know better than to leave a young dog with a small child or even certain of your adult dogs with children or strangers. Others have no such consideration and that’s what leads us here.

      The problem is that these are not toy poodles we speak of. They massively built animals with a high pain tolerance. They can be VERY difficult to stop when they intend to do something. Do you think just anyone should have such a dog?

      • js20011041 - Nov 14, 2012 at 7:30 PM

        While I disagree with his way of stating it, I agree with paredskinwarrior’s message. The fear of pitbulls is both irrational and ignorant. These are loving dogs. The media has created a shit storm. Pit bull attacks are FAR more likely to be given press coverage, thus resulting in a negative image of them. Every time you see a story about a pit bull attack, just remember, it’s the owner that created the problem, not the breed.

      • cur68 - Nov 14, 2012 at 7:38 PM

        A big problem is that mental instability in a poodle isn’t desired at all. Whereas mental instability in a pit bull type is desired by some. Certain groups have bred their dogs for crazy. If a poodle is crazy, so what? You kick it into next year and get your dog nips seen to easily. If a pit bull type is crazy…good luck. Assuming all pit-types are not crazy or are crazy is the problem. Neither pole of this argument is correct. The truth it one needs some skill in judging puppies, handling a big bog, and knowing when, where, and with whom to trust the dog. Those skilled persons rarely encompasses the “select and breed for crazy aggressive” types.

      • js20011041 - Nov 14, 2012 at 7:54 PM

        Cur, there is no such thing as mental instability in a dog. That’s a myth. A dog isn’t going just going to go from gentle to aggressive at a whim. There may be something that sets it off (usually the result of mistreatment), but there will be warning signs before a dog attacks.

      • Just a Fan - Nov 14, 2012 at 8:16 PM

        I have 2 pits a Chocolate Lab and a 6lb toy poodle. I trust all my dogs. But my Poodle is the first one to protect and the first one to show any aggressive nature. He comes from 4 generations of Champion show lines. So don’t tell me about breeds that are made more aggressive by breeding them that way. Dogs are like people, in the way that each has it’s own personality.

      • cur68 - Nov 14, 2012 at 8:32 PM

        “Dogs are like people”. Yes. And plenty of people are crazy. Ive met more than my fair share of them. Mental instability is not uncommon in dogs. They suffer from the same range of personality disorders as humans. Anyone who doesn’t know that doesn’t know anything about dogs.

        We are all wired differently. Some of us are nervous, others calm. Some high strung, others placid. Some people have compulsive disorders. Many do not. These are all traits that can be found in dogs. Have a look here or do some more research if you don’t want to look at mine. I just used the term “personality disorders in dogs”.

        http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/PD%20In%20Dogs%20And%20Humans.htm

      • Just a Fan - Nov 15, 2012 at 9:00 AM

        You have an unstable personality. Animals use instinct, people use rationale thought. Stop inviting wild animals in to your home in you can not understand that the are wild. The have no human traits. They are born into captivity. Slaves to our will.

      • cur68 - Nov 15, 2012 at 10:40 AM

        Seek mental help, sir.

  9. hushbrother - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:57 PM

    The pit-bulls-are-the-devil-incarnate thing is a media-driven myth. Pit bulls are NOT more violent than other breeds of dogs, as anyone who has spent some time at a dog park can tell you. German Shepherds, Rottweilers, and any number of hounds are routinely more aggressive.

    Ask this question: If pit bulls are such dangerous dogs, then why do so many people own them?

  10. koufaxmitzvah - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:58 PM

    I prefer to ban gods rather than dogs.

    Gods have killed many, many children. But, somehow, they’re holy.

    Go figure.

    • cur68 - Nov 14, 2012 at 7:19 PM

      This is why I swear to Dog. Dog has never let me down. god has. many times.

      • koufaxmitzvah - Nov 14, 2012 at 7:28 PM

        An orthodox you might use D-g.

        Keep the name holy.

      • js20011041 - Nov 14, 2012 at 7:33 PM

        Try praying to Joe Pesci. It’s amazing how much a guy can get done with a simple baseball bat.

        (Sigh)

        Man, I miss George Carlin.

      • Just a Fan - Nov 14, 2012 at 8:18 PM

        God didn’t let you down, you let you down.

      • cur68 - Nov 14, 2012 at 8:39 PM

        Just a Fan: I work in an NICU. That’s an intensive care for newborn infants. Over 17 years, I can recall 23 times we did everything right and still failed. Prayer did not help, though many of us did pray. Your phrase “God didn’t let you down, you let you down” is the sort of ignorant blanket statement that offers nothing but blame for people like me. I would suggest that your own mental health is not at all what it could or should be. May Dog have mercy on your soul. Know what? He probably would, too. He’s a good boy…

    • indaburg - Nov 14, 2012 at 9:01 PM

      I agree 100%, koufax, with practically everything you’ve said on this thread. My dogs have brought more comfort to me than any god ever has. Also, like you, I may not feel comfortable owning one, but breed specific laws are discriminatory and a simplistic solution that punishes the good along with the bad. I have no problem with responsible owners, like Buerhle, owning a pit bull. I’ve met some sweet pit bulls with great owners.

      • js20011041 - Nov 14, 2012 at 9:51 PM

        Isn’t that the truth. I’m neither a christian nor a theologian, so chrisitians, please forgive me if I display ignorance here, but doesn’t the bible have many instances of a violent, angry, hateful, and to be quite honest, petty god? All of the dogs I have ever owned or spent any time around have only shown love, and affection, and loyalty.

    • Just a Fan - Nov 15, 2012 at 9:07 AM

      You admirable work cur68. But obviously are not religious. Because everyone has a time to go. Even my 18 mo. sister had a time to go. Sometimes God just needs on of us a little earlier than others. It is a blessing to be called early, in Gods eyes. If you don’t believe or want to discuss religion, please do not bring it up then.

  11. deathmonkey41 - Nov 14, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    Problem solved- Michael Vick has volunteered to adopt the dog.

  12. mottershead1972 - Nov 14, 2012 at 7:10 PM

    Here is something that noone has brought up about this situation and I’m not sure if this is the right place to post this but it occurred to me last night when reading about this. I thought “none of these guys had a no trade clause?” ( including Heath Bell or Hanley Ramirez ), isn’t that the “thing” those days… In fact, I read that what killed the Albert Puljols deal ( to miami) was he wanted a no trade clause… What I’m saying is wasn’t it a total red flag that this was planned from day one that none of these guys got a no trade deal???

  13. randygnyc - Nov 14, 2012 at 7:23 PM

    My daughter fell a few years ago and required a plastic surgeon to fix up her leg. The Dr showed us pictures from the night before that he took of a new client. A young boy. He had been harassing a “pit bull” (not sure if he was poking or pulling at the dog). With one bite, the side of this child’s face was gone. The dr also said that the bite was defensive. Had the dog been attacking it would have been worse. Something about jaw muscles rivaling those of an alligator.

    • Just a Fan - Nov 14, 2012 at 8:25 PM

      That’s why some people should have kids. I bet they wouldn’t let the kid harass an Alligator

      Sorry the poor child was injured. I hope both yours and theirs fully recover. As for the dog, I’m sure he was immediately killed. As is common practice for any non-rationale community.

  14. Gonzo - Nov 14, 2012 at 8:46 PM

    I have about 45 Facebook friends that post this shit every day about Pitbulls. I come to this site to get away from that.

    • Just a Fan - Nov 15, 2012 at 9:09 AM

      You have good friends, be happy.

  15. yahmule - Nov 14, 2012 at 9:26 PM

    The only bad thing about pit bulls is they attract some people who shouldn’t own them, or any other animal for that matter. Instead of banning the breed, they should be enacting tougher laws, with stricter enforcement, against the people who fight them. This thread is full of ignorant comments, but the people who talked about giving Buehrle’s dog to Michael Vick should be ashamed to post anything that ugly and hateful. One reason dog pounds are full of pit bulls is because most of the breeders get rid of the dogs who have no desire to fight, which are most of them. Vick and his disgusting friends murdered these animals with the most cold blooded and cruel methods their twisted minds could imagine.

    It was no surprise so many people championed Vick’s cause to play football again. At a certain point, they were even able to twist it so opinions on whether he should be allowed to resume his NFL career became a kind of litmus test on racism in this country. The staggering incarceration rate of black men in America wasn’t at issue for most of these people, unless, of course, the individual in question happened to be a celebrity.

    How many times did we hear, “He’s paid his dues for his crime, let him play”. The fact is Vick never served a day behind bars for dog fighting. He was sentenced to prison for operating a gambling venture across state lines.

    It’s very sad that pit bulls are popular with irresponsible macho assholes, but guess what, irresponsible macho assholes make bad decisions in all phases of their lives. The way they use their guns and drive their cars; the way their consume their alcohol; the way the treat their wives and raise their children; the way they behave in public gatherings. Instead of blaming the victims with breed specific bans, how about sanctioning the real perpetrators of violent crimes and anti-social behavior?

    Insurance companies and media hysterics have demonized this breed, but there are plenty of dogs capable of doing grievous harm to people, especially children. If these dog haters had their way, the next wave of dogs being banned would be Rottweilers and German Shepherds and any breed that weighs over a certain number of pounds.

  16. randygnyc - Nov 14, 2012 at 9:46 PM

    Yahumle said “The only bad thing about pit bulls is they attract some people who shouldn’t own them, or any other animal for that matter. Instead of banning the breed, they should be enacting tougher laws, with stricter enforcement, against the people who fight them.”

    Substitute dog/breed and you have made the argument for gun enthusiasts. No need to ban them, just enforce the current laws for those that abuse them.

    • Gonzo - Nov 14, 2012 at 11:01 PM

      WHy cant you click reply and comment like normal people? The person you are talking to will not see this.

  17. mottershead1972 - Nov 14, 2012 at 10:12 PM

    I guess it was the wrong thread to bring it up

  18. mottershead1972 - Nov 14, 2012 at 10:32 PM

    Js2001, one could argue ( not me) that the very low likelihood of being killed by a pitbull is due to the success of these pitbull bans

    • kiwicricket - Nov 15, 2012 at 2:27 AM

      That’s exactly the point. Humans as a collective group have obviously displayed the inability to completely control this breed of dog. Hence innocent children being mauled each and every year.

      I am fairly positive there is a strong statistical link between the reduction in fatal dog attacks in New Zealand and the complete banning of this particular breed several years back. Funny that.

      It’s the same reason automatic weapons and handguns are illegal in NZ. 1% of the population fucking up vastly outweighs the potential positives.

  19. kiwicricket - Nov 14, 2012 at 11:29 PM

    When I was around 10yrs old, my father brought home X-Rays and a CT Scan of a child who had her face ripped off and arm and leg bones shattered by a Pitbull attack. Spent his afternoon assessing the total destruction of a life, family and neighborhood.

    I love dogs more than most people, but I just don’t fucking care what unfair laws are lumped against this dog breed.

    A Border Collie never escapes under a fence and attacks a random kid playing in the park. There are about 100 other breed of dog who don’t either, feel free to choose from the remaining list.

    • js20011041 - Nov 15, 2012 at 1:12 AM

      I’ve said this before and I’ll say this again. Humans are routinely the victim of far worse than a mauling, and the perpetrator isn’t a pit bull or any other kind of dog. It’s other humans. Until we start banning human to human contact, banning certain breeds of animal is no more than masturbation. Instead of giving yourself the illusion of sex, your giving yourself the illusion of safety.

      • kiwicricket - Nov 15, 2012 at 2:12 AM

        Your idea of human to human contact is irrelevant and almost bizarre in this instance.

        A small percentage of this breeds owners are irresponsible, social degenerates who install nothing but menace and anti social behavior. Same with all the other breed of dog. The difference being these breed is lethal when turns on something.

        As with any other things in our society, a small number of people have ruined it for the majority. But in this instance their actions and the inadvertent actions of the dog have maimed and killed innocent people.

        The benefits of having them around the community is far outweighed by the potential of having an irresponsible owner being in charge of something with the potential to kill some young life.

      • js20011041 - Nov 15, 2012 at 7:35 AM

        Kiwi, I am positive that the vast, vast majority of pit bull owners will tell you that your last sentence is wrong. By the way, you know, there’s a case to be made that the overwhelming majority of violent crime is perpetrated by poor people. But it’s funny, because I haven’t ever seen a single person make the argument that we should just start putting down poor people. Probably because it would be arbitrary and cruel.

  20. fin16 - Nov 15, 2012 at 1:56 AM

    “I’m sure he’ll figure out what to do with the dog. But it is the kind of annoyance that players don’t like to deal with.”

    What a crass sentence. Spoken like someone who doesn’t get it at all.

    • kiwicricket - Nov 15, 2012 at 2:16 AM

      What do you mean ‘get it’ ?? What is there to ‘get’ ??
      Not putting words into his mouth, bit I am fairly certain that Craig understands the situation.

  21. psousa1 - Nov 15, 2012 at 10:03 AM

    Gas the entire breed out of existence for all I care. You either want to look like a badass (because deep down you know you’re not) and you want to show everybody that you are a force to be reckoned with, not popular with the chicks or not much in the education dept.

    I love dogs and I am a dog owner. But I also once tried to kill a German Shepherd (and I was a form Shepherd owner) with my hands and bat because because it charged my kids and I would have killed it if the owner’s child didn’t come out of the house – (I didn’t want to truamatize their child but they didn’t care if mine were) when it was clear the dog gave up and I was ready to gut him with a screwdriver. I could not have defended my family like this against a pit bull. They can be the most well heeled dog but it is an animal. Animals act on instinct. They do not weigh the consequences. They are a loaded gun. Good for the province of Ontario. Always loved visiting the beautiful city of Toronto who have the friendliest people in North America – this is another reason why I love Toronto.

    • hisgirlgotburrelled - Nov 15, 2012 at 11:07 AM

      Pitbulls should be “gassed out of existence” because you were attacked by a German shepherd? So don’t kill German shepherds, the dog that actually attacked you, but kill pitbulls because of what you think would have happened.

    • fin16 - Nov 15, 2012 at 11:41 AM

      Sounds like your kids are just wimps.

    • yahmule - Nov 15, 2012 at 2:51 PM

      Psousa1 contents himself with trying to look like a badass (because deep down he knows he’s not) with tough talk on the internet.

  22. hisgirlgotburrelled - Nov 15, 2012 at 10:58 AM

    People need to know that you don’t trust any dog you do not know. You don’t get close to a dog you don’t know if their owner doesn’t say it’s ok. Respecting a dog’s territory and teaching children to do the same is a lot better solution than saying to exterminate the problem. This is with any breed of dog. An untrained german shepherd or mastiff is just as dangerous as any other dog.

    I live with an american bulldog/boxer mix that would fall into this category of dogs banned that resemble pitbulls. He is not dangerous to humans. He is great with my girlfriend’s 4-year old nephew that lives in our house. He is very careful when playing with or near the kid. He won’t even as much as open his mouth in any playful or harmful way around the kid. We didn’t teach him this at all. So is this dog that looks like a pitbull dangerous because it’s his instincts to fight? His instincts showed he knows to be gentle with kids. And it’s not something he picked up from being around the kid a lot; my girlfriend’s brother adopted the dog from another family a year and a half ago and the dog was 2 years old.

    Can Buehrle not just live in Buffalo or some town around there? I know nothing about the area and traveling around there other than knowing Toronto is close to the border.

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