Comments on: Chipper Jones does not think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone

By: jimbanks02

jimbanks02 — Fri, 23 Nov 2012 10:41:50 +0000

“Don’t expose him to bright light. Don’t ever get him wet. And don’t ever, ever feed him after midnight.” See? See what happens when you don’t follow the directions? Told you this would happen! I bet next time you’ll listen!

By: bradmoss1

bradmoss1 — Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:14:03 +0000

Passage of Power: The Years of Lyndon Johnson, Vol. IV – Robert Caro (release date: May 7, 2013)

From this article about the book: http://reason.com/archives/2012/09/13/power-without-principle…

Johnson’s theory turned less cosmological over the years as he learned more about the Kennedy White House’s use of the Mafia to stalk Castro. “We were running a damned Murder Incorporated down there in the Caribbean,” Johnson said later. “Kennedy was trying to get Castro, but Castro got him first.”

By: moogro

moogro — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 06:18:39 +0000

Tower 7.

By: umrguy42

umrguy42 — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 02:36:24 +0000

Various documentaries have been mentioned above, and I’ve seen several, which I think do a nice job indicating that yes, there was ONE gunman. YMMV on whether that was in fact Oswald, and/or whether he was doing it on his own or at others’ behest (IMO, yes, and on his own – one of those documentaries points out he tried to kill a general in New Orleans a few months before, on the idea that it would make him a somebody).

Long story short from the various documentaries:
- “magic bullet” didn’t have to be, and rather neatly lines up with School Book Depository
- the audio analysis that claims a fourth shot appears to be flawed
- of the other mentioned possible shooting positions, several have virtually no shot at JFK, and the grassy knoll a) doesn’t produce the right exit wounds/brain spatter in the car, and b) likely kills Jackie too
- JFK’s head movement corresponds to a hit from behind and above.

By: umrguy42

umrguy42 — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 02:26:57 +0000

Nope, it was JFK himself, from an alternate future where he hadn’t been shot, but had been brought down over a sex scandal…

[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEwcTBnrD6k&w=420&h=315%5D

By: umrguy42

umrguy42 — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 02:20:05 +0000

Gamera, I’m not sure I could live up to being gatorguy42…

By: bobferrett

bobferrett — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 00:23:01 +0000

Does anyone really care what Chipper Jones thinks?

By: stlouis1baseball

stlouis1baseball — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:36:43 +0000

Kiwi:
Just for the record…
In my opinion your list of worst movie actors of all time is dead on (with Keanu Reeves of course).
Why you received the all the thumbs downs is beyond me. I am guessing Pulp Fiction fans.

By: Professor Longnose

Professor Longnose — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:48:17 +0000

Glenn (for some reason, I can’t reply to you, only to myself), here’s exactly what James said:

“Later, however, after reading Posner’s book, after watching a couple of documentaries which include copies of the Zapruder film, I returned to the analysis, and my reaction was different: not that Donahue could be right, but that he was.”

And

“I’m not an investigative reporter; I’m just a guy who reads lots of crime books. To me, Mortal Error remains the most persuasive account of the tragedy in Dallas.”

The book is Mortal Error,” by Bonar Meninger, based on the work of Howard Donahue.

By: skids003

skids003 — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:40:06 +0000

cur68, maybe there is hope for us. We actually agree on something.

By: kopy

kopy — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:28:37 +0000

nothanksimdriving123, You alluded to the fact that Buzz Aldrin would punch a moon landing conspiracy theorist without acknowledging that it actually happened! Love this guy.

By: tcostant

tcostant — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:16:08 +0000

GREAT STUFF THERE.

A agree with a lot of that, Garrison was not the person the movie showned. He was circus clown looking for attention. Moreover, Stone said many thinks wrong; stuck as misrepresentimg the amount of time to fire three shoot.

As for Mookie, I still do this day thinks he beats that play at first base if Buckner fields that cleanly. Next time you see that play – watch were Buckner is and how close Mokie is to first.

By: jeffa43

jeffa43 — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:47:30 +0000

I believe Lee Harvey acted alone, I believe in good scotch, high fiber, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self indulged in over rated crap, I believe there should be a constitutional amendment outlawing astroturf and the dsignated hitter, I believe opening your presents Christmas eve instead of Christmas day, and I believe in long, deep, slow, wet kisses that last 3 days.

Good night…

By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged

churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:16:40 +0000

No because the Sox destroyed the yanks in game seven of 2004 to complete the comeback. Hence why plenty of yanks fans have an irrational hatred of javier Vazquez.

By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged

churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:11:26 +0000

It’d take me a millennium of reading to get the vocabulary mastery to be churchoftheperpetualgator

By: nothanksimdriving123

nothanksimdriving123 — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:00:45 +0000

Uh uh. It was Dr. No, before Bond killed him.

By: sisqsage

sisqsage — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:00:40 +0000

Sooomebody here didn’t care for Pulp Fiction.
You gotta admit though, nobody plays a drunk better than Nic Cage in Leaving Las Vegas. He also did Lizzy Drew. That’s a plus.
When did this site turn into a Roger Ebert Envy-Fest anyway?

Stone’s JFK could have been a great film, but he wrongly chose to glorify Garrison, who was discredited 20 years earlier by the facts.
But that’s the kind of thing Stone does. He’s always said publicly that he thinks the offical American History version of things in textbooks is b.s, which is a little over the top.

Let’s add a baseball version: isn’t there a conspiracy theory in Beantown as to how Buckner muffed that grounder to first in the “86 WS? The Magical Mookie ball?

By: nothanksimdriving123

nothanksimdriving123 — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:55:47 +0000

If it gets you riled up, imagine what it does to the blood pressure of the now elderly gents who actually went there. Especially a feisty fellow like Buzz Aldrin! I’ll bet he’d like to go a round or two with one or more Apollo-deniers. As for JFK, the forensics have clearly shown that the lone shooter was in the TSD window, and Oswald is the likeliest one to have been there and was quite qualified to pull it off. The JFK movie presents a fictitious theory. If you really believe in numerous government conspiracies and cover-ups, think “secret” Cambodia bombing and Watergate for examples of how well they manage cover-ups.

By: tcostant

tcostant — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:42:02 +0000

You think Doctor Who killed JFK?

By: eightysixisback

eightysixisback — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:37:26 +0000

i agree that we may never know more than we already do about what actually happened. I definitely agree that the movie is not a good place to look for answers. That movie is entertaining and i have watched it a few times and enjoyed it but it is not real. There are parts of that movie that are blatantly made up. In scanning through the posts above the one thing i did not see mentioned that makes me think that oswald was not alone is jack ruby. He had mob ties without a doubt. The warren commision stated that there was no evidence of this but didn’t even actually take the time to examine his phone records which showed a lot of calls with mobsters in chicago in the months prior to the assassination. I am not a big conspiracy person and i am not claiming to know who else was involved or why but why would jack ruby walk into a police station and kill oswald when he knew he would be caught. There were police and media everywhere. He had to know going in that he was not going to get away with killing oswald. Why would he sacrifice his freedom unless he had something to hide. Just a thought.

By: stex52

stex52 — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:15:56 +0000

I said the whole thing is sticky. I am absolutely convinced that much was going on beneath the surface that we didn’t know about. I was 11 when Kennedy was shot. It was a searing national experience. For years, I didn’t believe in any kind of plot at all. Now, the circumstances surrounding it bother me a great deal. The guy below is right, there would have been a nuclear war if Khruschev had been implicated. Things were that crazy.

As to other hired killers, I don’t know. I don’t think stability is a criterion. I would have worried that the shooter would talk. But we had Jack Ruby for that, didn’t we?

By: shynessismyelguapo

shynessismyelguapo — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:08:44 +0000

*sigh*

By: stex52

stex52 — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:06:31 +0000

Huh????

By: shelbydawkins

shelbydawkins — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:01:18 +0000

This reminds me of the time in 2004 when the Sox were heading into the bottom of the ninth inning vs the Yankees and all appeared lost for them. There was a reporter from the network in the stands there at Fenway and he found Steven King and asked him something like “What would you like to see happen now?”. And Mr. King, kind of sighed and said something like “well I’d like to see us rally to win this game and then go on to win the ALCS and then win the World Series” And that is exactly what happened. I always thought that was really strange. Does anyone else remember this?

By: kiwicricket

kiwicricket — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:35:13 +0000

Ding ding ding….we have a winner! My apologies.

By: salmen76

salmen76 — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:26:48 +0000

Chipper is right. Oswald did not act alone. On Nov 22, 1963 John Fitzgerald Kennedy was killed by a “Time Traveler”! And the Time Traveler shot him from the grassy knoll then suddenly returned to his place in ‘Time’. Which explains the lack of evidence.

By: williegy

williegy — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:22:51 +0000

The question of what REALLY happened in Dallas on Nov.22,1963 has been the subject of endless fascination (and endless speculation) for nearly half a century now.The debate over who actually killed JFK will, I suspect, still be raging 100 years from today.But, I don’t think it likely that the general public will ever know a lot more about this than we do right now.There are any number of suspects (including the Soviet Union, Castro, the mob, and racists-just to name a few) who may have been involved in the Kennedy assassination. But ,there’s simply no hard evidence available to the general public that implicates anyone besides Oswald in this crime.I don’t think much doubt exists that Oswald was involved in the murder of JFK. But was he a lone wolf assassin or a patsy set up to take the fall?I don’t think we’ll ever know. High level officials in the U.S. government may have more info than the public on what happened, but I doubt we’ll ever have access to such info if it ever existed. I agree that it’s likely that the Warren Commission was initially given a conclusion(that Oswald acted alone) & told to come up with a report to make this conclusion plausible. There may have been any number of reasons this was done, & not all of them are sinister. For example, U.S. leaders may have learned (or were afraid they would learn) that the Soviets or Cuba were responsible for the assassination.Had that been proven (and released to the public) the American people would have settled for nothing less than all out war against any country responsible for this. And, a war with either the USSR or Cuba at that time would have been a nuclear war that would have destroyed the human race.So, if our leaders at the time did learn this is what happened, their only responsible recourse would have been to cover it up.But, lacking any proof of this, the public debate over the JFK assassination can never amount to much more than idle speculation.The one thing I do know about all this is that the movie “JFK” isn’t a good place to look for these answers.It may be an entertaining yarn, but the conclusions it reaches don’t square with the known facts.

By: 1943mrmojorisin1971

1943mrmojorisin1971 — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:18:39 +0000

Ah, that’s what I get for not reading past the headlines my Google search spat out. The LBJ theory is infinitely less interesting now.

By: Uncle Charlie

Uncle Charlie — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:17:14 +0000

Wait until Chipper finally gets to Apollo 13 in another five years, then the gloves will really come off.

By: anxovies

anxovies — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:07:25 +0000

Wow! Kiwi, what are the immigration policies like? Where do i get the forms?