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	<title>Comments on: Let&#8217;s stop beefing about the fact that Melky Cabrera got a contract</title>
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		<title>By: obpedmypants</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you think, prior to two seasons ago, Melky was considered serviceable, then you need to check your history.

Two years ago, Melky was languishing on the Braves. He put up numbers that weren&#039;t even worthy of a major league roster spot. The Braves released him, then Kansas City (as the worst team in baseball with nothing to lose) took a flier on him for one year and $1.25m. If Melky failed that year, he was done. No more million dollar contracts. No more hundred thousand dollar contracts. Nothing.

So, if you think that the last two years were nothing but steroids, then you should believe that Melky is no better than he was going into the season fighting with Jeff Francoeur for a spot in MLB&#039;s worst outfield. 

What people are mad about is the fact that Melky make it clear that STEROIDS WORK. Now, every high school kid in the US has been shown that you are STUPID TO NOT TAKE STEROIDS. This is why congress cares so much about this issue. The point of all this regulation is not to take out our anger on Melky, it&#039;s to show our youths that taking steroids is bad. Because as much as it doesn&#039;t really matter whether or not a sinlge athlete is jeopardizing his health by cheating, it does matter that a million kids get to see his decision as savvy, rather than repugnant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think, prior to two seasons ago, Melky was considered serviceable, then you need to check your history.</p>
<p>Two years ago, Melky was languishing on the Braves. He put up numbers that weren&#8217;t even worthy of a major league roster spot. The Braves released him, then Kansas City (as the worst team in baseball with nothing to lose) took a flier on him for one year and $1.25m. If Melky failed that year, he was done. No more million dollar contracts. No more hundred thousand dollar contracts. Nothing.</p>
<p>So, if you think that the last two years were nothing but steroids, then you should believe that Melky is no better than he was going into the season fighting with Jeff Francoeur for a spot in MLB&#8217;s worst outfield. </p>
<p>What people are mad about is the fact that Melky make it clear that STEROIDS WORK. Now, every high school kid in the US has been shown that you are STUPID TO NOT TAKE STEROIDS. This is why congress cares so much about this issue. The point of all this regulation is not to take out our anger on Melky, it&#8217;s to show our youths that taking steroids is bad. Because as much as it doesn&#8217;t really matter whether or not a sinlge athlete is jeopardizing his health by cheating, it does matter that a million kids get to see his decision as savvy, rather than repugnant.</p>
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		<title>By: umrguy42</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...That other article was written by Matthew, this is by Craig. Your point would be...?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;That other article was written by Matthew, this is by Craig. Your point would be&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: bjbeliever</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bjbeliever]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why hide reality from them, truth about the world is that if you ain&#039;t cheatin&#039;... you ain&#039;t tryin&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why hide reality from them, truth about the world is that if you ain&#8217;t cheatin&#8217;&#8230; you ain&#8217;t tryin&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FIY, a lawyer committing a felony is not a similar offense to a ballplayer taking PEDs.  I don&#039;t know which aspect of lawyering would be similar to that infraction that could potentially give you a tiny edge in the performance of your duties....but committing a felony isn&#039;t it....perhaps something like ignoring a judges directive to avoid a certain topic or some such.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FIY, a lawyer committing a felony is not a similar offense to a ballplayer taking PEDs.  I don&#8217;t know which aspect of lawyering would be similar to that infraction that could potentially give you a tiny edge in the performance of your duties&#8230;.but committing a felony isn&#8217;t it&#8230;.perhaps something like ignoring a judges directive to avoid a certain topic or some such.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;ve covered the deterrence thing before.  Testing and guys getting caught probably is a deterrence, but it&#039;ll never be a 100% effective deterrent...even an immediate life-time ban wouldn&#039;t be 100% effective.

For example, states with the death penalty have higher murder rates that states without the death penalty, and states that instituted one did not see a decrease in their murder rates compared to states that did not institute one.  In short, the potential of being killed is not a deterrent for those capable and willing to commit murder.  The same likely is true of PED users....except, of course, that PED use is a relatively victimless crime.

In Melky&#039;s case, there isn&#039;t any evidence that PEDs helped him...unless you think they made him magically hit the ball were fielders were not standing....because the only difference between (allegedly) clean Melky and PED Melky was his BABIP.

He potentially lost 10s of millions of dollars via suspension and getting a shorter deal with a lower AAV by getting caught.  He was already punished far more than someone committing a similar infraction in whatever their job is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve covered the deterrence thing before.  Testing and guys getting caught probably is a deterrence, but it&#8217;ll never be a 100% effective deterrent&#8230;even an immediate life-time ban wouldn&#8217;t be 100% effective.</p>
<p>For example, states with the death penalty have higher murder rates that states without the death penalty, and states that instituted one did not see a decrease in their murder rates compared to states that did not institute one.  In short, the potential of being killed is not a deterrent for those capable and willing to commit murder.  The same likely is true of PED users&#8230;.except, of course, that PED use is a relatively victimless crime.</p>
<p>In Melky&#8217;s case, there isn&#8217;t any evidence that PEDs helped him&#8230;unless you think they made him magically hit the ball were fielders were not standing&#8230;.because the only difference between (allegedly) clean Melky and PED Melky was his BABIP.</p>
<p>He potentially lost 10s of millions of dollars via suspension and getting a shorter deal with a lower AAV by getting caught.  He was already punished far more than someone committing a similar infraction in whatever their job is.</p>
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		<title>By: SOBEIT</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just thought of another angle...so let&#039;s throw some chum in the water.

Whether we or the atheletes believe/or like it, they are role models.  So cleaning up the sport and all sports is supposed to send a message to kids that cheating is not going to lead to rewards.  Kids cannot differentiate and analyze the arguments made that Melky did get punished because he was banned then came back to make a lowly $8M/year when he should be making more.  To a high school kid or much younger...that number jumps at you and none of it says &quot;punishment&quot; served and this is your lowly pay for cheating.  They say, wow, $8M...it might be worth it.  

There are many different angles to this topic.  But think of the kids.  Hell, I&#039;m no way near being a kids age and that number still surprised me.  So if they are role models, what does this message and action actually say to a kid.  

OK, commence with your deep analysis!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just thought of another angle&#8230;so let&#8217;s throw some chum in the water.</p>
<p>Whether we or the atheletes believe/or like it, they are role models.  So cleaning up the sport and all sports is supposed to send a message to kids that cheating is not going to lead to rewards.  Kids cannot differentiate and analyze the arguments made that Melky did get punished because he was banned then came back to make a lowly $8M/year when he should be making more.  To a high school kid or much younger&#8230;that number jumps at you and none of it says &#8220;punishment&#8221; served and this is your lowly pay for cheating.  They say, wow, $8M&#8230;it might be worth it.  </p>
<p>There are many different angles to this topic.  But think of the kids.  Hell, I&#8217;m no way near being a kids age and that number still surprised me.  So if they are role models, what does this message and action actually say to a kid.  </p>
<p>OK, commence with your deep analysis!</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;It makes the giants and their fans angry because Melky wasn’t the player advertised. He was cheating&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Anyone else find it ironic that the giants are angry about having a cheat on their team[Barry Bonds]  I mean, we all thought it could happen to any team, but the Giants[Barry Bonds]  When I think of the Giants, I think of hard work, dedication, and a particular eye to detail[Barry Bonds]  Now that we know Cabrera was cheating, my whole world has been shattered[Barry Bonds]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It makes the giants and their fans angry because Melky wasn’t the player advertised. He was cheating</p></blockquote>
<p>Anyone else find it ironic that the giants are angry about having a cheat on their team[Barry Bonds]  I mean, we all thought it could happen to any team, but the Giants[Barry Bonds]  When I think of the Giants, I think of hard work, dedication, and a particular eye to detail[Barry Bonds]  Now that we know Cabrera was cheating, my whole world has been shattered[Barry Bonds]</p>
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		<title>By: Francisco (FC)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francisco (FC)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Err... what?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Err&#8230; what?</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Force the contracts down to some kind of scale, eliminate guaranteed contracts, improve the revenue sharing scale, restructure the all-star game rewards, and oust Jeff Loria. All this without a prolonged absense of baseball. Impossible, never going to happen and keep dreaming. Yes i know. But it is just a pleasant thought lol.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe because every single thing you mentioned would just put added dollars into the owners pockets by taking them away from the players.  Why would the MLBPA every agree to one of those ideas, let alone all of them?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Force the contracts down to some kind of scale, eliminate guaranteed contracts, improve the revenue sharing scale, restructure the all-star game rewards, and oust Jeff Loria. All this without a prolonged absense of baseball. Impossible, never going to happen and keep dreaming. Yes i know. But it is just a pleasant thought lol.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe because every single thing you mentioned would just put added dollars into the owners pockets by taking them away from the players.  Why would the MLBPA every agree to one of those ideas, let alone all of them?</p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Gator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s as much chance of that as you have of trading the antitrust exemption for some of the illegal West Bank settlements.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s as much chance of that as you have of trading the antitrust exemption for some of the illegal West Bank settlements.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And on your way back to Boston, stay on 5 ad stop at the Clam Box on Wallaston Beach Blvd. on the north side of Quincy. Get one of the fried seafood mixed plates. Oh boy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And on your way back to Boston, stay on 5 ad stop at the Clam Box on Wallaston Beach Blvd. on the north side of Quincy. Get one of the fried seafood mixed plates. Oh boy.</p>
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		<title>By: schlom</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s interesting is that the title of that article is &quot;MLB, NFL don&#039;t care about steroids.&quot;

Given the popularity of the NFL I&#039;m assuming that fans don&#039;t care about steroids either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s interesting is that the title of that article is &#8220;MLB, NFL don&#8217;t care about steroids.&#8221;</p>
<p>Given the popularity of the NFL I&#8217;m assuming that fans don&#8217;t care about steroids either.</p>
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		<title>By: bigsuede</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It makes the giants and their fans angry because Melky wasn&#039;t the player advertised.  He was cheating-  had the giants, or any of the other baseball teams knew that he was juicing- they would have paid him his 2007 salary instead of what they paid him.  Or better yet, the team would probably find someone else during the offseason so they wouldn&#039;t need to depend on someone who would be thrown out.

And  Paper-  what is the purpose of punishment?  You may believe it is solely for retribution.  You have to make it right by giving something up.  But this should be a secondary reason.

The main goal of punishment should be deterrance.  Make it so no one will want to do this again.  If you make the punishment so extreme- then the player will determine that it isnt worth the risk of losing his living.  Cabrera took the steriods to get a huge pay day-  and he lost- but was that loss so bad it will stop another person from doing it?

As for the job- I can look at what I do.  I am a lawyer right.  If I went out and committed a robbery on someone, or stole from a client or broke ANY felonies. I would be banned from practicing ever again-  won&#039;t even get a second chance.  That deters lawyers from doing this. (And historically this is true, as the bar got more strict- incidents of lawyer embezzlement has gone down as embezzlements from bookkeepers and bankers has gone up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes the giants and their fans angry because Melky wasn&#8217;t the player advertised.  He was cheating-  had the giants, or any of the other baseball teams knew that he was juicing- they would have paid him his 2007 salary instead of what they paid him.  Or better yet, the team would probably find someone else during the offseason so they wouldn&#8217;t need to depend on someone who would be thrown out.</p>
<p>And  Paper-  what is the purpose of punishment?  You may believe it is solely for retribution.  You have to make it right by giving something up.  But this should be a secondary reason.</p>
<p>The main goal of punishment should be deterrance.  Make it so no one will want to do this again.  If you make the punishment so extreme- then the player will determine that it isnt worth the risk of losing his living.  Cabrera took the steriods to get a huge pay day-  and he lost- but was that loss so bad it will stop another person from doing it?</p>
<p>As for the job- I can look at what I do.  I am a lawyer right.  If I went out and committed a robbery on someone, or stole from a client or broke ANY felonies. I would be banned from practicing ever again-  won&#8217;t even get a second chance.  That deters lawyers from doing this. (And historically this is true, as the bar got more strict- incidents of lawyer embezzlement has gone down as embezzlements from bookkeepers and bankers has gone up.</p>
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		<title>By: sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You mean, like, twice?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean, like, twice?</p>
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		<title>By: sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about this: in exchange for the anti-trust exemption the US Gvt so graciously allowed MLB, tax the teams at 90%. Give the players half a million for newbies and a full million for the vets, fund the parks and employees at reasonable rates and allow the owners to make a little money. Then use the massive amount of money flooding MLB to improve schools in the states with MLB teams. 

WTF are we doing in a world where school kids are taking classes in trailers while someone is being paid $30MM to throw a ball??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about this: in exchange for the anti-trust exemption the US Gvt so graciously allowed MLB, tax the teams at 90%. Give the players half a million for newbies and a full million for the vets, fund the parks and employees at reasonable rates and allow the owners to make a little money. Then use the massive amount of money flooding MLB to improve schools in the states with MLB teams. </p>
<p>WTF are we doing in a world where school kids are taking classes in trailers while someone is being paid $30MM to throw a ball??</p>
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		<title>By: dcfan4life</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A better scenario would be an owners temporary lockout. Force the contracts down to some kind of scale, eliminate guaranteed contracts, improve the revenue sharing scale, restructure the all-star game rewards, and oust Jeff Loria. All this without a prolonged absense of baseball. Impossible, never going to happen and keep dreaming. Yes i know. But it is just a pleasant thought lol.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A better scenario would be an owners temporary lockout. Force the contracts down to some kind of scale, eliminate guaranteed contracts, improve the revenue sharing scale, restructure the all-star game rewards, and oust Jeff Loria. All this without a prolonged absense of baseball. Impossible, never going to happen and keep dreaming. Yes i know. But it is just a pleasant thought lol.</p>
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		<title>By: bjbeliever</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bjbeliever]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Melky paid a significant price, not just the money, but watching your team go on to win the world series when you were eligible to come back makes the message clear.  Life&#039;s about second chances, just don&#039;t screw the BJ&#039;s buddy!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melky paid a significant price, not just the money, but watching your team go on to win the world series when you were eligible to come back makes the message clear.  Life&#8217;s about second chances, just don&#8217;t screw the BJ&#8217;s buddy!</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why should it make people angry?  You haven&#039;t presented any argument as to why people should be angry or why getting caught taking steroids should be punished more than 1/3 season without pay.  In your carefully constructed argument that I am sure is about to follow, please list all of the other businesses in which someone did something that may have helped them at their job a bit in which they are punished as much or more than steroid users in baseball are punished.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should it make people angry?  You haven&#8217;t presented any argument as to why people should be angry or why getting caught taking steroids should be punished more than 1/3 season without pay.  In your carefully constructed argument that I am sure is about to follow, please list all of the other businesses in which someone did something that may have helped them at their job a bit in which they are punished as much or more than steroid users in baseball are punished.</p>
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		<title>By: temporarilyexiled</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[temporarilyexiled]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with your argument that what he&#039;s now going to make is reasonable if you pretend the last couple of years didn&#039;t happen.  The question is, do we know exactly when he started to use stuff that helped him recover from exertion, and therefore build himself into quite the player?  Is it only recently, or is it the minute he started to turn things around?  If it&#039;s the former, okay.  Let&#039;s move on.  But if it&#039;s the latter, then you can make the argument that he might not even be relevant anymore, and that it&#039;d be questionable, considering all of his past problems, whether he&#039;d be any kind of player at all, or even in the league.  Of course, this is all speculation, but to say we know enough about how PEDs work in his particular case (I took a guess at it above, and that&#039;s all that it is.) and we know exactly when they&#039;re relevant is just a bit of overextension.  And while it&#039;s true that it&#039;s over the top to decide that penalties have to immediately get much stricter - over time, if this trend of getting a slap on the wrist and coming back relatively unscathed continues - then it&#039;s time to raise the first offense to 100 games, the second to one calendar year, and the third to banishment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your argument that what he&#8217;s now going to make is reasonable if you pretend the last couple of years didn&#8217;t happen.  The question is, do we know exactly when he started to use stuff that helped him recover from exertion, and therefore build himself into quite the player?  Is it only recently, or is it the minute he started to turn things around?  If it&#8217;s the former, okay.  Let&#8217;s move on.  But if it&#8217;s the latter, then you can make the argument that he might not even be relevant anymore, and that it&#8217;d be questionable, considering all of his past problems, whether he&#8217;d be any kind of player at all, or even in the league.  Of course, this is all speculation, but to say we know enough about how PEDs work in his particular case (I took a guess at it above, and that&#8217;s all that it is.) and we know exactly when they&#8217;re relevant is just a bit of overextension.  And while it&#8217;s true that it&#8217;s over the top to decide that penalties have to immediately get much stricter &#8211; over time, if this trend of getting a slap on the wrist and coming back relatively unscathed continues &#8211; then it&#8217;s time to raise the first offense to 100 games, the second to one calendar year, and the third to banishment.</p>
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		<title>By: samu0034</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[samu0034]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/16/melky-cabrera-must-not-think-hes-a-340-hitter/

I know it&#039;s not an apples to apples comparison, but let&#039;s not start casting aspersions regarding other writer&#039;s treatment of Melky just yet, shall we?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.</p>
<p><a href="http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/16/melky-cabrera-must-not-think-hes-a-340-hitter/" rel="nofollow">http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/16/melky-cabrera-must-not-think-hes-a-340-hitter/</a></p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s not an apples to apples comparison, but let&#8217;s not start casting aspersions regarding other writer&#8217;s treatment of Melky just yet, shall we?</p>
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		<title>By: heyblueyoustink</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[heyblueyoustink]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And tough as nails, according to the folk up in Salem anyways, as his only response was daring the pressers to add weight to his body. Took the trip a couple years ago, the grave yards and witch memorial are both worth the cost of getting there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And tough as nails, according to the folk up in Salem anyways, as his only response was daring the pressers to add weight to his body. Took the trip a couple years ago, the grave yards and witch memorial are both worth the cost of getting there.</p>
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		<title>By: bigsuede</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Baseball writers and people generally have gotten tired of the steriods.  I know locally in the bay area- most in the media felt like steriod cheats should get a full year suspension for the violation.  And maybe a lifetime ban after that.

I think i heard that a dozen times on sportsradio.

So the fact that Cabrera is going to play AND make more than coco crisp- should make people angry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Baseball writers and people generally have gotten tired of the steriods.  I know locally in the bay area- most in the media felt like steriod cheats should get a full year suspension for the violation.  And maybe a lifetime ban after that.</p>
<p>I think i heard that a dozen times on sportsradio.</p>
<p>So the fact that Cabrera is going to play AND make more than coco crisp- should make people angry.</p>
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		<title>By: sdelmonte</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sdelmonte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So if you have tested positive, are you tested more the following seasons?  Never been clear on this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if you have tested positive, are you tested more the following seasons?  Never been clear on this.</p>
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		<title>By: kopy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kopy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I felt quite familiar about Corey and his role in the witch trials, but holy crap I did not know he was 81! No wonder they thought he was a warlock. He was an octogenarian in the 17th century!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I felt quite familiar about Corey and his role in the witch trials, but holy crap I did not know he was 81! No wonder they thought he was a warlock. He was an octogenarian in the 17th century!</p>
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		<title>By: chill1184</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m against juicing as much as the next person but Cabrera served his debt to Baseball society as the current rules state. He has the steroid taint which will be his monkey on the back for the rest of his career. Just like Bonds, Sosa, McGwire and countless others. It&#039;s up to Cabrera to prove his critics wrong that the guy can excel without juicing.

However don&#039;t blame the Blue Jay or any other team who was interested in the guy. Cabrera didn&#039;t hold a gun (that we know of) to Anthopoulos&#039; head. Someone was going to take a chance on the guy one way or another.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m against juicing as much as the next person but Cabrera served his debt to Baseball society as the current rules state. He has the steroid taint which will be his monkey on the back for the rest of his career. Just like Bonds, Sosa, McGwire and countless others. It&#8217;s up to Cabrera to prove his critics wrong that the guy can excel without juicing.</p>
<p>However don&#8217;t blame the Blue Jay or any other team who was interested in the guy. Cabrera didn&#8217;t hold a gun (that we know of) to Anthopoulos&#8217; head. Someone was going to take a chance on the guy one way or another.</p>
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		<title>By: sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is just basic economics. Nobody was trying to punish or reward Melky; the Blue Jays were trying to improve their team in the most economically advantageous way possible. Anything else WOULD be collusion by the owners to circumvent the established punishments in the CBA. Would these writers prefer a baseball strike?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just basic economics. Nobody was trying to punish or reward Melky; the Blue Jays were trying to improve their team in the most economically advantageous way possible. Anything else WOULD be collusion by the owners to circumvent the established punishments in the CBA. Would these writers prefer a baseball strike?</p>
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		<title>By: heyblueyoustink</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[heyblueyoustink]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or we could do this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_Corey]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or we could do this:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_Corey" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_Corey</a></p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Gator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the good old days, the condemned were first &quot;stretched&quot; by hanging, then disemboweled carefully enough not to kill them, and then quartered by horses pulling their arms and legs out with ropes. Folks brought picnic lunches and their kids to watch this stuff, who cheered and waved their chicken bones and chanted &quot;(the name of the condemned man) sucks! (The name of the condemned man) sucks!&quot; 

Now if the mere mention of steroids flushes you with rage and indignation, and this kinda thing interests you, you can either read all about it in Michel Foucault&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Discipline and Punish&lt;/i&gt;, or you can order &lt;i&gt;Braveheart&lt;/i&gt; from Netflix and just watch the last ten minutes. I understand not everyone has as much time on their hands as I do. 

And even &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; would have been too good for Bartolo Colon and Melky Cabrera!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the good old days, the condemned were first &#8220;stretched&#8221; by hanging, then disemboweled carefully enough not to kill them, and then quartered by horses pulling their arms and legs out with ropes. Folks brought picnic lunches and their kids to watch this stuff, who cheered and waved their chicken bones and chanted &#8220;(the name of the condemned man) sucks! (The name of the condemned man) sucks!&#8221; </p>
<p>Now if the mere mention of steroids flushes you with rage and indignation, and this kinda thing interests you, you can either read all about it in Michel Foucault&#8217;s <i>Discipline and Punish</i>, or you can order <i>Braveheart</i> from Netflix and just watch the last ten minutes. I understand not everyone has as much time on their hands as I do. </p>
<p>And even <i>that</i> would have been too good for Bartolo Colon and Melky Cabrera!</p>
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		<title>By: heyblueyoustink</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But please, go ahead and continue arguing that Cabrera got away with something and that “steroids have won again&quot;

I wonder if the steroids feel like winners. Like &quot;hey, man, see that, I made that dude appear manlier while making his nads shrink at the same time. If that&#039;s not winning, I don&#039;t know what is!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But please, go ahead and continue arguing that Cabrera got away with something and that “steroids have won again&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder if the steroids feel like winners. Like &#8220;hey, man, see that, I made that dude appear manlier while making his nads shrink at the same time. If that&#8217;s not winning, I don&#8217;t know what is!&#8221;</p>
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