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Mark Buehrle on the Marlins: “I was lied to”

Nov 21, 2012, 2:32 PM EDT

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Over the weekend we heard about how Jose Reyes and Mark Buehrle were upset that “verbal assurances” that the Marlins were committed to them and that they wouldn’t be traded weren’t honored.  Today Buehrle and his agent took it a step further and issued statements voicing their displeasure:

“I’m upset with how things turned out in Miami,” Buehrle said. “Just like the fans in South Florida, I was lied to on multiple occasions. But I’m putting it behind me and looking forward to moving on with my career.”

His agent Jeff Barry elaborated, saying “Mark held up his end of the bargain; unfortunately, the same can’t be said of the Marlins.”

I am obviously no fan of Jeff Loria and the Marlins these days, but cry me a freakin’ river, Buehrle and Barry.  The Marlins may have sold you a bill of goods, but you bought, willingly, and knew full well that you didn’t have a no-trade clause and that the Marlins never gave them out when you signed the deal. While we would all like to live in a world where people treat each other better than we do, you know full well that you cannot count on anything in sophisticated business dealings that aren’t set forth in the contract.

I’m sure a lot of teams would love it if they could get more out of their contracts with players than that which is set forth in writing. Promises to do more things than they’re required. Agreements to not take a course of action that benefited the player first and not the team.  If they did, the players would rightfully laugh them out of the negotiating room.  To expect the teams to treat players any differently is silly.

  1. husky2score - Nov 21, 2012 at 2:41 PM

    This just reminded me that this is the same reason Albert Pujols rejected the Marlins contract offer this past offseason!

    • stlouis1baseball - Nov 21, 2012 at 2:50 PM

      The no trade clause was part of it Huskey (good point). But the far bigger reason was dollars.
      Miami’s offer was about 80 million less (if memory serves).

      • dcfan4life - Nov 22, 2012 at 8:35 AM

        Marlins offered $275 million and Pujols rejected it the day before signing with the Angels. The Angels deal with incentives COULD be worth $280 million, but is only $254 million guaranteed. So Pujols passed on $21 million more guaranteed because of the no trade clause and he didn’t trust the Marlins.

      • fearlessleader - Nov 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM

        Minor point, really, but the Marlins stated later on that their offer to Pujols had not been as large as initially reported, or as large as the Angels’.

      • dcfan4life - Nov 22, 2012 at 2:14 PM

        Major point but can we really trust ANYTHING the Marlins say??? lol.

      • jlovenotjlo - Nov 23, 2012 at 12:10 AM

        Factor in California’s 9% income tax, among other things, compared to Florida’s lack of income tax, and the difference in contracts is even larger

  2. The Baseball Gods - Nov 21, 2012 at 2:42 PM

    You have to figure that a strong message has been sent to any player who would have an option of signing a long-term deal with the Marlins. Unless the Marlins are willing to throw a lot of extra money at a player in order to convince them to sign, a player at this point should be very reluctant to ever sign a long-term deal with the Marlins. The Marlins ownership just cannot be trusted with any verbal assurances. So from now on it should either be no-trade or no deal.

    • 1972wasalongtimeago - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:44 PM

      You’re right. And if Loria and Samson ever try to get another $330million stadium built in South Florida, you can be damn sure we’ll remember this.

      • jeffbbf - Nov 26, 2012 at 1:19 PM

        hasn’t this happened, say, 3 or 4 times before? How did y’all forget about those times when you handed over the $330 million?

    • byjiminy - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:24 PM

      No-trade or no deal? I think after this players will demand a premium if Miami insists on including a no-trade clause.

    • phillysoulfan - Nov 22, 2012 at 9:26 AM

      We learned from the Eric Lindros trade to the Flyers that verbal agreements are binding, if you can prove them. So my suggestion would be to record everything you are being told by Marlins management.

  3. cur68 - Nov 21, 2012 at 2:42 PM

    A motivated focused Buehrle is what I want. He and Reyes are saying all the right things going into next season. C’mon boys, show us how mad you are: pummel the other guys for it. It’ll only irritate Feesh Fans more to see you having career years. They’ll be ready to lynch Loria if we see Cy Young Buehrle and Batting Title Reyes.

    • thekcubrats - Nov 21, 2012 at 2:45 PM

      Cy What Who?

      • indaburg - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:50 PM

        Buehrle has been in contention for the Cy Young. Granted, it was 7 years ago, but it happened.

      • trevorb06 - Nov 21, 2012 at 6:41 PM

        R.A. Dickey…

    • stevejeltzjehricurl - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:02 PM

      Next thing you know, we’ll hear about how they report in the best condition of their careers.

    • proudlycanadian - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:03 PM

      The Jays are very happy to have Buehrle, Reyes and Johnson. I think that they are well aware that they are wanted in Toronto. Season ticket sales are hot.

      • cur68 - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:12 PM

        Those guys are going to have fun playing on The Beav. Reyes gets to hang with Bautista and E5, his countrymen and two of the games best sluggers. All of them get to play in front of big crowds in a sport starved country. All that and the beer is fantastic, Toronto is real nice in the summer, the ownership is committed to the team, and the GM is not a weasel.

      • nbjays - Nov 21, 2012 at 5:48 PM

        “Toronto is real nice in the summer”

        Only when it isn’t 35 freakin’ degrees Celsius and 98% humidity, which it usually is. Just another plus for Rogers Centre… air conditioning.

        I am so looking forward to next season… gonna be fun to watch.

      • cur68 - Nov 21, 2012 at 6:05 PM

        The Dominicans will not mind the heat or the humidity.

      • dirtyharry1971 - Nov 24, 2012 at 10:35 AM

        Everyone in the AL east owns a .300+ team average against Buehrle. The AL East is “very” hapy indeed that Mark is now pitching in the AL East, I know i cant wait to see him take the mound with that 85mph fastball!!

    • djpostl - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:50 PM

      Rofl. Might wanna look at those ugly ass career numbers Buehrle has versus AL East before you start talking Cy Youngs.

      And those numbers were posted in his prime.

      • cur68 - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:56 PM

        I’m well aware of what his numbers are, if you can stop rolling around laughing for a minute to pay attention. I am also aware that he’s got an RBI monster of a team around him now. He only has to be his usual self and he will look great.

      • djpostl - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:58 PM

        His “usual self” versus these teams is an ERA around 5.00.

        That “RBI monster of a team” better not have an “off-day”.

      • cur68 - Nov 21, 2012 at 4:03 PM

        A goodly portion of those teams are not who they once were. A goodly portion of this season’s upcoming competition isn’t in the AL Beast. I like his chances.

      • djpostl - Nov 21, 2012 at 4:06 PM

        Lol. Keep rationalizing I suppose.

        And yes. To an extent you’re right. But the Red Sox, for all of their troubles last year, still scored runs in bunches, as did the Yankees.

        Tampa obviously isn’t an offensive power but they have more than enough pitching to stifle anyones offense so Buehrle better not have anything close to an off day versus them.

        And then there is Baltimore. The ONLY team Mark has good numbers against. And also the team that is nothing like the one he used to own. Much, much more potent team.

        http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/share.cgi?id=7LaIf

      • dirtyharry1971 - Nov 25, 2012 at 12:14 AM

        well said dj, too bad the moron jay fans on this board cant read but they are in for a big big surprise

    • cur68 - Nov 21, 2012 at 6:39 PM

      Lets try it this way. I hate the idea of your lousy math being the last thing on record, djposti, and wordpress keeps eating my replies to you. Of course now all of them will turn up, but WTF: I get to point out your illogic over and over, so win, win.

      You seem to think one good team is better than 3. The 2 best teams in the AL Beast are The Beav and The Oriolies. All the others are old, hitting deficient, or rebuilding. 1 < 3 every time.

      Now dang you wordpress, if you eat this reply. Dang you to heck!

    • phillysoulfan - Nov 22, 2012 at 9:28 AM

      It also sounds like they are sulking which is not only detrimental to them but the Blue jays as well.

  4. echech88 - Nov 21, 2012 at 2:44 PM

    A little harsh there. I see no problem with him being upset if he was told repeatedly and convincingly that they would not trade him.

    If this was just a matter of him not getting a NTC and being upset, you’d be absolutely right. But they looked this guy in the eye and said one thing when they clearly knew the exact opposite was possible, if not likely.

    He is right to say this publicly. It is basically a huge Bat warning to other players that signing in Miami is not worth it if they’re trying to anchor themselves and their family somewhere.

    • albertmn - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:23 PM

      Not too harsh at all. If the no trade was really important, Buehrle should have signed with a different team for less money. If you sell your soul to the devil, don’t be surprised when he comes to claim it, regardless of what promises/lies he told you that weren’t in the contract.

      Maybe if those players would have performed better they wouldn’t be blowing up the team. They should be happy to be out of there, quit whining, and move on. We keep hearing about how they are all just moving on. But, if they were moving on, we wouldn’t keep hearing about it.

      • echech88 - Nov 21, 2012 at 4:06 PM

        Kind of a soulless perspective I guess.

        If the Marlins are allowed to lie to and manipulate players into taking a deal with no NTC, why should players be forbidden from sharing that information publicly?

        He is simply letting other players know that they shouldn’t make the same mistake he made by believing this organization when they look you in the eye and tell someone something.

        These are people for crying out loud regardless if they are professional athletes that are well compensated. They have families and children in school that have to move or be separated from for much of the year. Ever think that’s more important than money and could cause some guys to be frustrated?

      • Craig Calcaterra - Nov 21, 2012 at 4:13 PM

        “Lie and manipulate?” Buehrle had a professional, certified agent working for him. This was not some uneven negotiation. Buehrle and his agent are not babes in the woods.

      • schlom - Nov 21, 2012 at 5:32 PM

        Craig left out what I think is an important part of the agent’s statement:

        “Throughout the recruiting process, the Marlins made repeated assurances about their long-term commitment to Mark and his family and their long-term commitment to building a winning tradition of Marlins baseball in the new stadium. This was demonstrated by their already completed signings of Ozzie, Heath Bell and Jose Reyes…”

        The two parts of that statement can be at odds with each other if the Marlins thought that the Buehrle contract was a detriment to them building a winning tradition.

      • gibbyfan - Nov 21, 2012 at 7:01 PM

        Craig–you and the others are right on point with this. Buerle and Reyes went in well represented with presumedly the best lawyers and professional agents and then entered into a formal multi million dollar agreement with a specific clause contrary to their apparently stated interests. It’s just plain stupid and if I were they I would be ashamed to openly complain about it.It makes them look like fools.
        I would just add that from what I have read it seems like the agents are the ones that should be looked at for incompetence. They get the big bucks for assuring their clients interests are protected –what the hell happened here.

      • phillysoulfan - Nov 22, 2012 at 9:36 AM

        “Throughout the recruiting process, the Marlins made repeated assurances about their long-term commitment to Mark and his family and their long-term commitment to building a winning tradition of Marlins baseball in the new stadium. This was demonstrated by their already completed signings of Ozzie, Heath Bell and Jose Reyes…”

        Schlom, if the Marlins were so committed as that quote indicates, then why the no no-trade clause? As others have pointed out, this is not Buerle’s first dance and the rodeo and he is well represented. Why did they not get the no-trade clause?

  5. geoknows - Nov 21, 2012 at 2:45 PM

    Leopards don’t change their spots, and Marlins will be Marlins. Yes, they have done this before, but never so egregiously. I think that they have damaged themselves irreparably. Free agents are going to demand exorbitant amounts to go to Florida, if they will even consider going there at all.

    • stevejeltzjehricurl - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:04 PM

      They’ll consider it, if the money is good enough. Though I wonder how much Buerhle and Reyes are annoyed by having to move from a state with no income tax.

    • albertmn - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:25 PM

      Under Loria, how often will they be going after high priced FAs?

      Maybe that is his flawed plan. Throw money at FAs without no trade clauses, and then trade them a year later for prospects. It is like buying prospects, even though the money is spent on the players, not directly buying the prospects from another team.

    • phillysoulfan - Nov 22, 2012 at 9:39 AM

      Free agents will still go there. Where would you rather live; in New York with all the media, scrutiny, taxes, and over all living expenses and the weather is crummy or Miami with less media and scrutiny, no state taxes and a cheaper cost of living with great weather?

      • mazblast - Nov 22, 2012 at 7:02 PM

        Those are extreme opposites, but even in that case, they’ll go to NY (presumably the Yankees, not the penurious Mets) to have a better chance of winning–and for the glitz, the money, and the p***y.

        Let’s also keep in mind that Florida is not the only state in MLB with no state income tax. Texas, for example, has no state income tax. Several other states are flat rate, which ballplayers would find far better than states with highly progressive rates such as New York and California. IIRC Illinois, Michigan, and Pennsylvania fall into the latter category.

  6. whitdog23 - Nov 21, 2012 at 2:50 PM

    what does it matter? ebb contracts are guaranteed. lied to or not….they’ll get the money. rather be stuck in Miami with no chance to win??

    • The Baseball Gods - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:06 PM

      Except the tax rates in Canada are significantly higher than in Florida. Which means that they really won’t see the same amount of money.

      • mattymatty - Nov 22, 2012 at 12:05 AM

        Unless they maintain their Florida residency, which I think they can do. I recall that Derek Jeter ‘lives’ in Tampa, FL, which may or may not be legitimate but is at least a way to get around paying New York state income taxes.

    • The Baseball Gods - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:09 PM

      ….and the Marlins have won two World Series in the past 15 years…which is a lot better than most teams, including the Blue Jays who have 0 in that span.

      • paperlions - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:43 PM

        What do those WS victories have to do with anything? Loria bought the Marlins 10 years ago. They won the WS his first year with the club built before he was given the keys…since then, they’ve made the playoffs zero times. Loria has not been around for a successful re-build…just for a sell off….which he did right after the team won the WS and 1 year after he bought the team….the rebuild that “worked”….that wasn’t him.

        To anyone paying attention, the Marlins were a prime sell off candidate this off season….so much so that many executives said so last year when they were signing these guys to backloaded contracts. If Behrle and he agent were too blinded by dollar signs to pay attention….that is 100% on them.

    • echech88 - Nov 21, 2012 at 4:10 PM

      Everyone looks at this like it is just about money.

      What if you took your kids out of school, moved your whole family to Florida on a promise you wouldn’t be shipped out (at least immediately) and found out 11 months later you will be working in Canada now?

      You don’t think that could put a strain on your life?

      These people are human beings, not baseball throwing robots. They are allowed to have emotional responses to something believe it or not. Last time I checked he is just filling us in on what happened, not demanding a trade.

      • schlom - Nov 21, 2012 at 5:35 PM

        Everyone looks at this like it’s just about the money because it’s pretty clear that Buehrle picked the Marlins because they offered the most money! He chose to ignore the Marlins prior history because they gave them the highest offer.

      • American of African Descent - Nov 21, 2012 at 5:48 PM

        “What if you took your kids out of school, moved your whole family to Florida on a promise you [would get to stay there.]”

        You know, I’m not very sympathetic to a guy who makes more in a year than most people see in their lifetime because his kids might have to change schools. Mr. Buehrle (and Mr. Reyes and Mr. Johnson) earn enough to put their kids in the finest schools and join the best social clubs. In short, these men earn more than enough to give their families all of the finest things in life. And while I do not begrudge them a dime of their salaries, I also have no sympathy merely because a work situation required them to move.

      • SOBEIT - Nov 21, 2012 at 5:57 PM

        Lot’s of families have to move their families/kids to a new location because of work…and they probably make less than what these guys make in an hour. Life is tough…they have enough money to make the tough part an “inconvenience”.

  7. danaking - Nov 21, 2012 at 2:57 PM

    I agree, Buehrle and the others may be right to vent, if only to remind other free agents the Marlins cannot be trusted.

    On the other hand, it’s not like the Marlins care about signing free agents.

  8. brewcrewfan54 - Nov 21, 2012 at 2:58 PM

    The “cry me a river” stuff is crap. Mark and his agent are just stating his feelings about how the situation played out. He isn’t asking for people to feel sorry for him. I don’t care how much money you make nobody likes being lied to.

  9. kkolchak - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:14 PM

    Buehrle took the money and got burned, plain and simple. There were other teams vying for his services, some of whom would no doubt have given him the no trade clause. No sympathy here.

    • natslady - Nov 21, 2012 at 5:26 PM

      I don’t think that’s true. The Nats (his other suitor) would not have given him a no trade clause. They have a similar policy. In fact, most teams don’t give them unless to top top tier players or “face of the franchise” types.

      So, if the front-office of one team whose manager he had worked with before said, no, we’re not giving a no trade because that opens a can of worms, since no one else has one, BUT, we can assure you that we have long-term plans, ya yada yada–and other teams DIDN’T make such verbal assurances–why would he automatically assume they were lying? He probably wasn’t getting a no trade clause from any team, the best he could have gotten was a poison pill (that is, his salary is increased by a large amount if he’s traded, making him undesirable to trade) or some other monetary trade disincentive like that.

      I don’t see any problem with the statement he and his agent made, they are describing what happened to him from his point of view. Since it can’t be undone, I would agree it functions as a warning to other players to be careful about those warm, fuzzy meetings you have when teams are courting you. And I assume Craig will have a pre-nup or pre-palimony agreement with the g’friend before they commit any assets, because those verbal agreements, y’know, can’t be trusted.

  10. Andrew Chapman - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    Gotta say, Craig, I didn’t see that angle coming. Even though he didn’t have a no-trade clause, he still had a contract and was completely blindsided by this trade – like all of us. In the immediate aftermath, I think Buehrle has every right to be this upset.

    • Craig Calcaterra - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:20 PM

      He had a contract, and it has been and will continue to be honored. The contract gave him no assurance whatsoever that he wouldn’t be traded. And he may have been blindsided by the trade, but it’s not like the Marlins came up with some devious strategy or loophole to sucker Burhrle. Teams trade players. Players specifically negotiate for no-trade provisions to avoid being shipped out and/or jerked around. This is standard practice in the industry. Buehrle and his agent know this.

      And of course he has the right to be upset. But having your agent release some official statement in which he uses the language of the law — “Mark held up his end, the Marlins didn’t hold up theirs” — is pathetic. It’s an effort to turn Buehrle’s anger and disappointment (which is understandable) into some wrong done to him, which it is not.

      • brewcrewfan54 - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:29 PM

        What’s the difference between him and his agent releasing a statement showing their unhappiness vs sitting down for an interview or whatever other way to say how they feel?

      • Craig Calcaterra - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:37 PM

        It’s what he said, not how he said it. That “Mark held up his end, the Marlins didn’t hold up theirs” is calculated to portray the Marlins as somehow breaking an agreement when, in fact, there was no such agreement here. It is to make his client look like he was wronged in some formal business or legal sense when, in fact, the Marlins did nothing wrong with respect to Buehrle in those terms.

        It’s totally understandable for Buehrle to say that he is disappointed by the trade. It’s another thing altogether to say “I’m disappointed because those people did something wrong.”

      • paperlions - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:47 PM

        The statement also uses a cheap ploy of putting himself in the position of Marlins fans via being lied to….of course, is that now Behrle is on a better team and will still be paid tens of millions of dollars during the remainder of his contract….and Marlins fans have a worse team and the same shitty owner and are out about half a billion dollars used to build a stadium they now have no interest in entering.

      • brewcrewfan54 - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:59 PM

        No the Marlins didn’t technically do anything wrong but they obviously made promises or at least statements to Mark saying this wouldn’t happen. Since the Marlins aren’t real used to the high road I don’t expect their former players to take it either.

      • brewcrewfan54 - Nov 21, 2012 at 4:06 PM

        So Paper I guess when you make lots of money being lied to is ok? He was lied to and yes he’s still going to have a very comfortable life because of that wealth but it doesn’t mean he should just sit back and act like its ok because he has money. In the long run he will probably be happy but right now he isn’t. There’s nothing wrong with that.

      • echech88 - Nov 21, 2012 at 4:25 PM

        I find it ironic that Craig can get emotionally involved to one of his own blog posts enough to respond to comments but a player who just had his personal and family life turned upside down by a bunch of manipulative scumbags is supposed to shut up and just do his job without expressing himself or warning others.

        Yeah, well criticism is part of your job Craig. I guess only writers covering baseball are allowed to get emotionally involved with *important* things like awards, stats and critical comment sections.

      • Craig Calcaterra - Nov 21, 2012 at 4:32 PM

        “a player who just had his personal and family life turned upside down by a bunch of manipulative scumbags is supposed to shut up and just do his job without expressing himself or warning others.”

        No, he’s totally fine to do that. He’s just out of bounds to try to claim that he’s a victim of some unscrupulous breach of law or decency when in reality his predicament was totally avoidable and foreseeable.

        And really, I have way more ire for his agent who is essentially admitting that he failed to do something which his client clearly finds important: protect him from being traded after signing a long term deal.

        And to the extent you care about my “emotional investment,” understand that the rough equivalent of Buehrle and his agent’s complaints here would be me saying “I can’t believe that echech88 is disagreeing with me! Who let him comment here anyway! It’s SO unfair!”

      • paperlions - Nov 21, 2012 at 4:38 PM

        Buerle and his agent should have known they were being lied to…everyone else knew it. If it was true then there was no reason for it not to be in the contract…there is a reason that contract are on paper and not verbal….and any agent (as well as any player with Buerle’s experience) knows that verbal agreements not specified in the contract don’t mean anything (indeed, the language of standard contracts says as much)….if Buerhle chose to believe those things, that’s his fault.

        Again, miserly people don’t suddenly become generous because they have more money or because other people have been generous to them. Loria has a long history of using the baseball team to make money and to do nothing else…he has never shown even the slightest inclination toward being interested in having a good team. Loria will always be Loria….and players/agents can’t just ignore that and then cry foul.

      • brewcrewfan54 - Nov 21, 2012 at 4:55 PM

        You don’t get it. Regardless of the fact that the Marlins didn’t do anything wrong it still doesn’t change the fact Beurlhe was lied to. Even if he saw it coming doesn’t mean he should be ok with it a week later.

      • richyballgame - Nov 21, 2012 at 5:22 PM

        Craig,put your self in Buehrle’s shoes,you’d be upset,because you’re supposed to be able to trust an owner and his word. It just goes to show,scum bag Loria will be scum bag Loria.

      • schlom - Nov 21, 2012 at 5:37 PM

        Was he really lied to? He and his agent are claiming that but I haven’t seen any proof that it’s true.

      • paperlions - Nov 21, 2012 at 6:09 PM

        No, you don’t get it. If a team says they won’t trade you and you say “put it in writing” and they say “no”, then they are not making a promise…they are simply stating that their current intentions are to not trade you….but that plans may change.

        Negotiations by their very nature are a series of lies and exaggerations by each side…because each side is trying to leverage the discussion to their favor….to act like anything not in the contract is a promise or could constitute a lie is disingenuous or makes you the most naive person on the planet….this is why agents exist so that players can benefit from their experience. I guarantee that at some point Buerhle asked his agent if he believed the “no trade” statements….and if the agent said “yes”, he’s an idiot.

      • brewcrewfan54 - Nov 21, 2012 at 6:48 PM

        No I do get it. He feels he was lied to and is not happy about it. That’s it. They aren’t arguing there was a contract violation. They knew it could happen, were told it wouldn’t and then it did. They can feel lied to even though they also know they have no recourse. Then again I giess everyone else should know how they are supposed to feel I guess.

      • Andrew Chapman - Nov 21, 2012 at 9:36 PM

        You make good points, Craig. I suppose I just think that jumping all over Buerhle for this is like jumping all over Marlins fans for being angry. “Hey, what gives, Marlins fans, you knew Loria was a jerk and you chose to buy what he was selling last year. He is certainly acting within his rights to trade guys like Buerhle.” Sure, but it’s still a ridiculous thing that he did. Shipping someone out a year after signing them, while within his rights, is still a jerkstore thing to do.

      • brewcrewfan54 - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:03 PM

        Jerkstore! Fucking love it!!

  11. thebadguyswon - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:16 PM

    Typical Craig. He plays both sides of the fence. Last week it was an all out assault on the Marlins and now it’s blame the victim time. It’s the attorney coming out.

    • Craig Calcaterra - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:23 PM

      It is not at all inconsistent to say that the Marlins are dicks who misled fans and taxpayers and are treating their paying customers like garbage while also having no sympathy for the players who were traded. They are two different things.

      Go back and read anything I wrote about the Marlins in the last week. Not once do I say I feel bad for Reyes and Buehrle. Because I don’t. They knew the risks and chose not to get no-trade protection. Sucks for them, but it doesn’t make the Marlins evil in how they were treated.

  12. indaburg - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:33 PM

    Buehrle fell victim to one of the classic blunders. Never trust a Loria on his word.

    • mazblast - Nov 22, 2012 at 7:06 PM

      Well, at least he didn’t get involved in a land war in Asia.

  13. sportsnut101 - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    Hey mark u lied To the marlins to. U said u were gonna be good when u took the money n u sucked. So move on u baby

    he’s the owner who writes the checks and that team was in last place When u retire u will learn the business side

    • paperlions - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:49 PM

      Buehrle’s performance was exactly in line with his career averages. So, no he did not fail to perform…he did exactly what he always has done.

    • cur68 - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:53 PM

      Oy vey. My friend a 3.74 ERA, 202 innings, 197 hits given up with 84 earned runs and 125 strike outs is NOT sucking. Its pretty decent given that the team did bugger-all to help him.

    • kkolchak - Nov 21, 2012 at 4:00 PM

      when will u learn 2 write a proper English sentence

    • husky2score - Nov 21, 2012 at 4:07 PM

      Keep in mind… sports nut, that Buehrle had many years to support his statement. Unfortunately for you, Loria only gave him one year.

    • Old Gator - Nov 21, 2012 at 5:26 PM

      And wuts mor wen wil u lern not 2 confuz Buehrle w/ Bell?

  14. Sign Ahead - Nov 21, 2012 at 3:58 PM

    I’m not sure that he’s looking for sympathy here. It sounds more like he’s trying to warn other players away from the Marlins.

    I won’t get too worked up over Buehrle’s situation, but it is interesting to see that Loria is an equal opportunity manipulator. He is the kind of person that carefully written and scrupulously enforced contracts are made for. Any player (or, for that matter, any business, customer or municipality) who does business with him should go into the transaction knowing that Loria is planning to screw them, and take the necessary precautions. When I look at it from that viewpoint, Buerhle’s complaint looks like the moral at the end of a baseball-themed fable.

    • richyballgame - Nov 21, 2012 at 5:25 PM

      I agree with you,completely.

  15. chill1184 - Nov 21, 2012 at 4:01 PM

    The worlds smallest violin is playing right now

  16. sbmcintosh36 - Nov 21, 2012 at 4:41 PM

    Did I read Marlins, fans and paying customers in the same sentence?????
    If paying customer and fans were real in Miami we wouldn’t even be discussing this!

    • Old Gator - Nov 21, 2012 at 6:23 PM

      Scrooge McLoria figured out long ago that his “paying customers” were the TV deals and his fellow owners via the luxury tax and his cut of the attendance at visiting stadiums when the Feesh play there. He did the accounting and figured out he could turn a profit with an empty stadium long long ago. Fans, of course, don’t count for shit with him – and, knowing as much, that’s why there are so few of them, and why there are going to be even fewer this coming season.

  17. joerymi - Nov 21, 2012 at 7:02 PM

    Never saw so many people angry over being traded from a last place team.

  18. cowboysoldiertx - Nov 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

    The dark side is strong in Loria!

  19. pxeeks - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:27 PM

    He still is getting his paycheck that’ll b more than we would ever see. Any one of us reading this would gladly move for any big leaguer salary. Stop crying already!

    • halejon - Jan 29, 2013 at 11:25 AM

      Quit whining about what big leaguers make and go accomplish something yourself. Become one of the best in the world at your craft and then you can have some sort of claim to making money and living where you want, too.

  20. ojdiddoit - Nov 22, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    gee mark seems you lied about being a major league pitcher last year when you collected your first installment of that 4yr/58 million dollar contract you signed,then went 500 giving up your usual 4 runs a game..get a grip!

  21. footballer4ever - Nov 22, 2012 at 7:06 PM

    Really! The Marlins are a joke of a sports franchise who are a full of bunch of lying mafiosos. The main travesty here is not that the players were lied, but a community was lied to and stole their tax dollars with that Marlins Park who often looked empty as they did on the dolphins stadium.

  22. mrbiz8505 - Nov 25, 2012 at 1:12 PM

    The writer of this article should cry me a freakin river

  23. halejon - Jan 29, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    So sad that you would deride the concept of giving someone your word. Ok, maybe that doesn’t always hold in the cut-throat business of baseball, but it’s a great and noble concept that has a use and isn’t silly at all. Certain organizations can be trusted to follow through on handshake or implied agreements and players favour them because it gives both sides flexibility to do and agree on things not explicitly set out in contract. Even if it’s at the level of “ok, if x happens we’ll trade you because we don’t want an angry player on the team”, not everything can be written down in stone and how you treat players as different situations both personal and on the field arise does matter.

    Just like in business, cultivating a sense of trust and goodwill is worth value to your organization, and so so yeah…when you cash that good name in by going back on something explicitly said or implied to someone but not written into contract for your own benefit, expect them to tarnish your name in public for it. Nothing stupid about that. That’s how honour works. In the same way, sometimes you’ll hear players giving shout outs to their organization or GM for stepping up and following through on something they said so other players know their word is worth something or they are fair to deal with. Maybe Buehrle should have known but there’s nothing he can do about that now — but after such strong words free agents will certainly give the Marlins a harder ride in terms of conditions and insisting on clauses for years, so it’s not just whining.

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