Comments on: Mark Buehrle on the Marlins: “I was lied to”

By: halejon

halejon — Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:25:25 +0000

Quit whining about what big leaguers make and go accomplish something yourself. Become one of the best in the world at your craft and then you can have some sort of claim to making money and living where you want, too.

By: halejon

halejon — Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:20:50 +0000

So sad that you would deride the concept of giving someone your word. Ok, maybe that doesn’t always hold in the cut-throat business of baseball, but it’s a great and noble concept that has a use and isn’t silly at all. Certain organizations can be trusted to follow through on handshake or implied agreements and players favour them because it gives both sides flexibility to do and agree on things not explicitly set out in contract. Even if it’s at the level of “ok, if x happens we’ll trade you because we don’t want an angry player on the team”, not everything can be written down in stone and how you treat players as different situations both personal and on the field arise does matter.

Just like in business, cultivating a sense of trust and goodwill is worth value to your organization, and so so yeah…when you cash that good name in by going back on something explicitly said or implied to someone but not written into contract for your own benefit, expect them to tarnish your name in public for it. Nothing stupid about that. That’s how honour works. In the same way, sometimes you’ll hear players giving shout outs to their organization or GM for stepping up and following through on something they said so other players know their word is worth something or they are fair to deal with. Maybe Buehrle should have known but there’s nothing he can do about that now — but after such strong words free agents will certainly give the Marlins a harder ride in terms of conditions and insisting on clauses for years, so it’s not just whining.

By: jeffbbf

jeffbbf — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:19:34 +0000

hasn’t this happened, say, 3 or 4 times before? How did y’all forget about those times when you handed over the $330 million?

By: mrbiz8505

mrbiz8505 — Sun, 25 Nov 2012 18:12:45 +0000

The writer of this article should cry me a freakin river

By: dirtyharry1971

dirtyharry1971 — Sun, 25 Nov 2012 05:14:42 +0000

well said dj, too bad the moron jay fans on this board cant read but they are in for a big big surprise

By: dirtyharry1971

dirtyharry1971 — Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:35:01 +0000

Everyone in the AL east owns a .300+ team average against Buehrle. The AL East is “very” hapy indeed that Mark is now pitching in the AL East, I know i cant wait to see him take the mound with that 85mph fastball!!

By: jlovenotjlo

jlovenotjlo — Fri, 23 Nov 2012 05:10:20 +0000

Factor in California’s 9% income tax, among other things, compared to Florida’s lack of income tax, and the difference in contracts is even larger

By: footballer4ever

footballer4ever — Fri, 23 Nov 2012 00:06:46 +0000

Really! The Marlins are a joke of a sports franchise who are a full of bunch of lying mafiosos. The main travesty here is not that the players were lied, but a community was lied to and stole their tax dollars with that Marlins Park who often looked empty as they did on the dolphins stadium.

By: mazblast

mazblast — Fri, 23 Nov 2012 00:06:42 +0000

Well, at least he didn’t get involved in a land war in Asia.

By: mazblast

mazblast — Fri, 23 Nov 2012 00:02:14 +0000

Those are extreme opposites, but even in that case, they’ll go to NY (presumably the Yankees, not the penurious Mets) to have a better chance of winning–and for the glitz, the money, and the p***y.

Let’s also keep in mind that Florida is not the only state in MLB with no state income tax. Texas, for example, has no state income tax. Several other states are flat rate, which ballplayers would find far better than states with highly progressive rates such as New York and California. IIRC Illinois, Michigan, and Pennsylvania fall into the latter category.

By: dcfan4life

dcfan4life — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 19:14:19 +0000

Major point but can we really trust ANYTHING the Marlins say??? lol.

By: ojdiddoit

ojdiddoit — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 16:43:19 +0000

gee mark seems you lied about being a major league pitcher last year when you collected your first installment of that 4yr/58 million dollar contract you signed,then went 500 giving up your usual 4 runs a game..get a grip!

By: fearlessleader

fearlessleader — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 16:06:55 +0000

Minor point, really, but the Marlins stated later on that their offer to Pujols had not been as large as initially reported, or as large as the Angels’.

By: phillysoulfan

phillysoulfan — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:39:48 +0000

Free agents will still go there. Where would you rather live; in New York with all the media, scrutiny, taxes, and over all living expenses and the weather is crummy or Miami with less media and scrutiny, no state taxes and a cheaper cost of living with great weather?

By: phillysoulfan

phillysoulfan — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:36:45 +0000

“Throughout the recruiting process, the Marlins made repeated assurances about their long-term commitment to Mark and his family and their long-term commitment to building a winning tradition of Marlins baseball in the new stadium. This was demonstrated by their already completed signings of Ozzie, Heath Bell and Jose Reyes…”

Schlom, if the Marlins were so committed as that quote indicates, then why the no no-trade clause? As others have pointed out, this is not Buerle’s first dance and the rodeo and he is well represented. Why did they not get the no-trade clause?

By: phillysoulfan

phillysoulfan — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:28:16 +0000

It also sounds like they are sulking which is not only detrimental to them but the Blue jays as well.

By: phillysoulfan

phillysoulfan — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:26:27 +0000

We learned from the Eric Lindros trade to the Flyers that verbal agreements are binding, if you can prove them. So my suggestion would be to record everything you are being told by Marlins management.

By: dcfan4life

dcfan4life — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:35:51 +0000

Marlins offered $275 million and Pujols rejected it the day before signing with the Angels. The Angels deal with incentives COULD be worth $280 million, but is only $254 million guaranteed. So Pujols passed on $21 million more guaranteed because of the no trade clause and he didn’t trust the Marlins.

By: mattymatty

mattymatty — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 05:05:40 +0000

Unless they maintain their Florida residency, which I think they can do. I recall that Derek Jeter ‘lives’ in Tampa, FL, which may or may not be legitimate but is at least a way to get around paying New York state income taxes.

By: pxeeks

pxeeks — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 04:27:49 +0000

He still is getting his paycheck that’ll b more than we would ever see. Any one of us reading this would gladly move for any big leaguer salary. Stop crying already!

By: byjiminy

byjiminy — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 04:24:57 +0000

No-trade or no deal? I think after this players will demand a premium if Miami insists on including a no-trade clause.

By: brewcrewfan54

brewcrewfan54 — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 04:03:42 +0000

Jerkstore! Fucking love it!!

By: Andrew Chapman

Andrew Chapman — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 02:36:48 +0000

You make good points, Craig. I suppose I just think that jumping all over Buerhle for this is like jumping all over Marlins fans for being angry. “Hey, what gives, Marlins fans, you knew Loria was a jerk and you chose to buy what he was selling last year. He is certainly acting within his rights to trade guys like Buerhle.” Sure, but it’s still a ridiculous thing that he did. Shipping someone out a year after signing them, while within his rights, is still a jerkstore thing to do.

By: cowboysoldiertx

cowboysoldiertx — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 01:55:14 +0000

The dark side is strong in Loria!

By: joerymi

joerymi — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:02:16 +0000

Never saw so many people angry over being traded from a last place team.

By: gibbyfan

gibbyfan — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:01:32 +0000

Craig–you and the others are right on point with this. Buerle and Reyes went in well represented with presumedly the best lawyers and professional agents and then entered into a formal multi million dollar agreement with a specific clause contrary to their apparently stated interests. It’s just plain stupid and if I were they I would be ashamed to openly complain about it.It makes them look like fools.
I would just add that from what I have read it seems like the agents are the ones that should be looked at for incompetence. They get the big bucks for assuring their clients interests are protected –what the hell happened here.

By: brewcrewfan54

brewcrewfan54 — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 23:48:13 +0000

No I do get it. He feels he was lied to and is not happy about it. That’s it. They aren’t arguing there was a contract violation. They knew it could happen, were told it wouldn’t and then it did. They can feel lied to even though they also know they have no recourse. Then again I giess everyone else should know how they are supposed to feel I guess.

By: trevorb06

trevorb06 — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 23:41:20 +0000

R.A. Dickey…

By: cur68

cur68 — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 23:39:21 +0000

Lets try it this way. I hate the idea of your lousy math being the last thing on record, djposti, and wordpress keeps eating my replies to you. Of course now all of them will turn up, but WTF: I get to point out your illogic over and over, so win, win.

You seem to think one good team is better than 3. The 2 best teams in the AL Beast are The Beav and The Oriolies. All the others are old, hitting deficient, or rebuilding. 1 < 3 every time.

Now dang you wordpress, if you eat this reply. Dang you to heck!

By: Old Gator

Old Gator — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 23:23:24 +0000

Scrooge McLoria figured out long ago that his “paying customers” were the TV deals and his fellow owners via the luxury tax and his cut of the attendance at visiting stadiums when the Feesh play there. He did the accounting and figured out he could turn a profit with an empty stadium long long ago. Fans, of course, don’t count for shit with him – and, knowing as much, that’s why there are so few of them, and why there are going to be even fewer this coming season.