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Passan: The Marlins should do a Herschel Walker trade with Giancarlo Stanton

Nov 21, 2012, 9:31 AM EDT

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Jeff Passan takes a look at Giancarlo Stanton and the Marlins today and strongly suggests that, since they’re punting everything anyway, they trade their most valuable chip now. The basis of that suggestion: some very appealing assessments by MLB insiders of the haul that Marlins could get for him:

The executives, granted anonymity because they did not want to speak publicly about another team’s player, almost all agreed on the sort of package necessary to acquire Stanton: three top-of-the-line, major league or major league-ready players with next to no service time, plus another two or three prospects to fortify a Marlins farm system that would be the best in baseball.

That’s a lot — and it would certainly enrage what’s left of the Marlins fan base — but one of Passan’s sources has a pretty good quote about why that’s OK. ¬†And Passan has some epic-level Loria descriptors if you’re into that sort of thing (I am) so it’s a fun article all the same.

  1. p1nick - Nov 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM

    Or a teixeira trade

    • whatthehellisansky - Nov 21, 2012 at 9:59 AM

      you must live in either colorado or washington dude

  2. Francisco (FC) - Nov 21, 2012 at 9:53 AM

    Passan makes a compelling case.

    • Old Gator - Nov 21, 2012 at 2:12 PM

      I love to read Passan on Scrooge McLoria for the same reasons Craig does: he oozes contempt like a well-pricked duck in a hot oven.

  3. willclarkgameface - Nov 21, 2012 at 10:07 AM

    The Marlins will NOT deal this guy. He makes next to nothing in terms of baseball dollars and he is just about the only guy Joe Schmo Miami Baseball Fan knows down there anymore. Everyone else is gone.

    It would be nice if business was more about personal feelings and respect, but it’s not and they are going to let Stanton hang. For a long, long time. Their best hope is to wear him down so significantly that his performance will dip and his arbitration cases will go in the teams favor.

    Loria is scum and Florida baseball sucks.

    • chill1184 - Nov 21, 2012 at 10:35 AM

      Not a Rays fan but why do you continue to ignore the competitiveness that is Tampa Bay?

      • Old Gator - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:34 PM

        Because he’s an asshole. Stick around, read a few more of his mindless schmears. You’ll see.

      • willclarkgameface - Nov 21, 2012 at 5:44 PM

        I actually like the Tampa Bay team. What I have a problem with is the ball park in which they call home and the fan base that chooses to regularly ignore its talented product.

        My reason for saying that Florida baseball sucks is different for the Marlins than it is for the Rays. I actually feel bad for the Rays and wish they’d move out of that piece of shit state and go somewhere where they’d be appreciated and watched by more than 1200 fans per night. This isn’t the Indians circa 1990. The Rays are really GOOD.

        The fans suck or lack there of. Add all of this up with the fact that Jeffrey Loria is a smelly foot, Florida baseball sucks.

    • cosanostra71 - Nov 21, 2012 at 5:46 PM

      no, Florida baseball doesn’t suck. Jeff Loria sucks.

  4. phillysoulfan - Nov 21, 2012 at 10:12 AM

    Using Passan’s logic, and it is logical, wouldn’t Stanton’s value be highest at the July 31st deadline? Assuming no injury and I just answered my own question. Thanks me. (Posting this so that anyone else had the same thought gets it)

  5. Carl Hancock - Nov 21, 2012 at 10:15 AM

    I don’t think his value would be greater at the deadline simply because less teams would be in the mix then. Trade him in the offseason and almost every team might be in the mix. At the trade deadline it would most likely only be the teams in the mix for the playoffs. At least, that’s one theory.

    • chill1184 - Nov 21, 2012 at 10:34 AM

      Yes and No. I would that if one waits at the trade deadline you have the bigger chance and someone overpaying for Stanton. However as you point out, less are involved and then there is also the chance, that a GM won’t be desperate.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:17 AM

        Exactly. But, given how young he is and how many more years Miami controls him for, they could try to move him at the deadline and hold on to him if they don’t get the package they want. Then they can try to deal him next offseason. The only risk they take is of him having a down season and lessening his value.

  6. tcostant - Nov 21, 2012 at 10:28 AM

    He is four years away from free agency. They can keep him two more years and then trade him for a whole lot.

    • stevejeltzjehricurl - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:15 AM

      Yeah, but the team that trades for him gets fewer years of guaranteed service, and at a higher price since he’s arb-eligible. He’ll fetch a pretty good deal in two years (barring injury or some other unforeseen issue), but Passan’s point is that he will fetch a historically awesome package right now.

    • Just a Fan - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:39 AM

      Unless he gets injured or some how gets in trouble with the law. Never know, could have PEDS issues too. I guess what I am saying is the future is uncertain either way. If you can get a great deal now, why chance it later?

      I’m a Tigers fan and if they got a huge package for anyone on the team, I wouldn’t blame them for taking it. It might happen too. Detroit wants Upton and Arizonia wants Peralta(and much more too).

      The Marlins and Blue Jays will not be the only ones making huge deals this winter!

  7. echech88 - Nov 21, 2012 at 10:42 AM

    Only team I could see this really happening with would be Texas and I don’t think it would be 6 players. (Teams with more depth to offer aren’t really 1 player away like SD, KC etc)

    Rangers could essentially re-direct Hamilton’s money to someone like Greinke to replace a starter, then ship that starter (Feliz, Ogando?) with Profar and someone a tier or two down for Stanton.

    Profar for Upton is ridiculous given Upton also makes money…but Stanton does not.

    And as an Angels fan this scares the bejesus out of me.

    • Just a Fan - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:43 AM

      What do you think Detroit’s chances of prying him away? They have a history of making deals. Dombrowski looks at the Marlins roster constantly. He would have loved to add Reyes, but it was package deal.

    • schlom - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:47 PM

      Profar, Feliz or Ogando, and a good prospect isn’t enough to get Stanton.

  8. sdelmonte - Nov 21, 2012 at 10:46 AM

    It’s not the worst idea in some ways. But if Loria is determined to be on the cheap, he really could do better following the Tampa Bay model of developing young players over and over, rather than trading them for parts at the first opportunity.

    • ezthinking - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:15 AM

      The whole point is that the Marlins system stinks and you can’t buy players in the draft anymore, so a big trade fixes your minor league system.

      Tampa can’t even maintain the Tampa model as 1. their success has moved them down in draft position, 2. the qualifying offer business combined with the full year of service requirement blows their draft pick compensation model, and 3. they can’t overpay in later rounds to get players out of college.

    • Just a Fan - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:47 AM

      I agree, maybe that is what he IS doing. The team is so young now, if they do draft well and some of these guys pan out……they could be good for a while. Don’t get me wrong, I think he is a douche. But he may be trying to make it better and not just cheaper. I’m pretty sure a guy with all that cash, does not make all the decisions.

  9. roadwearyaaron - Nov 21, 2012 at 11:58 AM

    Thoughts on the Reds entertaining this? It’ll never happen but they could offer Frazier, Cozart/Gregorious, and Leake plus a couple mid-range prospects. Put Stanton in LF and sign a free agent 3B. Batting order for the next few years would be Phillips, SS/3B, Votto, Stanton, Bruce, everybody else. A year or two from now they could have Billy Hamilton at leadoff and move Phillips down the order.

    Never going to happen, but it would be very interesting for Reds fans.

    • Just a Fan - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:32 PM

      Not a bad return…..won’t happen but interesting! Scary lineup,

      Add Stanton to the Rangers, Angels, Reds, Tigers, Rays or Dodgers and the League shutters in fear!

    • schlom - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM

      Again, that’s not nearly enough.

    • paperlions - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:51 PM

      That is no where near enough. Cozart is an average SS, his OB skills are horrible, most MLB teams are not buying on Frazier, and Leake is a #5/6 starter. There will have to be at least one possible AS and probably more than that just to get the discussion going.

      • roadwearyaaron - Nov 21, 2012 at 1:43 PM

        Thanks for the detailed response. That’s why I was asking for thoughts on it.

        Frazier has an OPS of .808 with 25 HRs in essentially one major league season so I think he could be an AS once or twice. Leake is a bottom of the order pitcher but he just turned 25 & would likely pitch much better in the fish tank. He’d eat up some innings, which they’ll need over the next couple years. Gregorius would likely be the SS of choice for Miami at 22 and possibly major league ready in 2013 with very good defense and adequate bat at this point.

        I did miss the point of them being “top-of-the-line” so you’re probably right. I love the thought of him hitting behind Votto at GABP though. I appreciate the response.

  10. thejotapee - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:31 PM

    Not gonna lie, I love Stanton but if the Mariners offered us there top 4 prospects I’d definitely pull the trigger. 4 starters for 1? in a heartbeat!

    Tajuan Walker, Danny Hultzon, Nick Franklin, and Mike Zunino, (and Stephen Pryor for good measure) for Stanton. Sounds good to me!

    • paperlions - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM

      Of course it does….but no one is going to do that….there is a reason there has only been one Hershel Walker trade….because most teams aren’t that stupid.

      I doubt the Cardinals would trade their single best prospect straight up for Stanton, which may say more about Taveras (and the Cardinals lack of need in 2012 of another OF) than Stanton….but it will be hard to get 3 young top-flight ML-ready prospects for one guy.

      • schlom - Nov 21, 2012 at 6:19 PM

        I think you are underestimating just how good Stanton is. Oscar Taveras is a great prospect that put up a 953 OPS in Double A at the age of 20. However Stanton had a 969 OPS in the majors at age 20. Bryce Harper might be the best young hitting prospect ever in major league history and there’s still a good chance he doesn’t match Stanton’s numbers in two years.

        Only maybe the Royals or the Pirates don’t trade Taveras for Stanton straight up.

      • paperlions - Nov 21, 2012 at 6:26 PM

        Maybe….but Taveras can play CF, at least for a few years, and his contact rate is extraordinary…Stanton hits the ball a ton, he also misses it a ton. Taveras has more potential…of course, he also has farther to go to reach it. The point is that the Cardinals don’t NEED Stanton right now….he’d be a modest upgrade over Beltran….so why give up a potential perennial AS and MVP candidate for that slight upgrade…especially when Stanton may be eligible for arbitration this year if he qualifies for super 2 status.

  11. Old Gator - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:39 PM

    Stanton wants to play in California; it’s his home, and this has always been his long-range game plan. No matter which team received him now, he would be westbound the minute the opportunity presented itself. The fans of the east coast or midwestern teams drooling at the prospect now would only have their hearts broken a few years down the road. If he’s gonna go somewhere, might as well send him where he’d be happy – though of course I doubt if anyone thinks Scrooge McLoria gives a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut about that.

  12. stex52 - Nov 21, 2012 at 12:39 PM

    I agree that they should trade him now. He is unhappy and they are cooked for two years, anyway.

    A package that rich is surprising to me, although he is very talented. Isn’t he somewhat injury prone?

    • Old Gator - Nov 21, 2012 at 1:09 PM

      Not really. He had some quotidian knee issues that weren’t properly treated the first time, then had some followup surgery at midseason last season and game back like gangbusters. He’s built like a brick shithouse. Aside from looking like it, I don’t call him the Iron Giant for nothing.

  13. mojosmagic - Nov 21, 2012 at 1:35 PM

    As long as Stretch Loria can under pay Stanton he will remain a Marlin and that means at least 2 more years. He doesn’t care about winning but he still needs to put asses in the seats.

    • Old Gator - Nov 21, 2012 at 2:09 PM

      When your fan base had already been reduced to apathy by years of slights, betrayals and disappointments, and then you heap this latest insult upon them, the Iron Giant alone isn’t going to put many asses in the seats. You know who’s going to show up? Returning servicemen with free tickets who want to propose to their girlfriends with enough privacy aroudn them so that if they get shot down they won’t be sharing their humiliation with strangers.

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